I can release a patch to the guarantor bug. It was because I accidentally deleted a hash for what I thought was a test and forgot it was the hash of a blank transaction. Just need to revert that change. I should be able to do some testing with this build in Mac in Linux over the next couple days and decide if we should update again. The build with the settings menu and exotic features is being worked on as well, should be done pretty soon. I give almost daily updates on slack about what I'm working on.

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I managed to log in in the first place without a token...when I tried to log for the second time without a token now it says 'The token for this user is incorrect''  why is asking me nnow for a token when the first time I was ok without one? how can i get this token? why is there not a reset psw option?  Thanks

Hey everyone! So I wanted to let you all know we did meet the deadline of the 30th for all 3 builds. However, the guys at slack felt that it was last minute for big marketing push so we are changing our
approach to coding deadlines vs marketing deadlines. This build does not have the next template but it does have major performance updates and the 3 platforms we so badly needed.

I'm extremely happy with these builds. Now we will work on almost all mac and linux. And with any exceptions I have building source we can link to with automated building scripts!

Finally I'm extremely relieved to be able to get back on those platforms after a delay of at least 6 months. Since we got the builds last minute around the 1st of the month, we should have links up shortly.

I will definitely want Mac and Linux testers, there will be a small push for testers in blackcoin and bitcoin as well to speed this up. (waiting for their site to be updated as well)
So now, github is updated, ive got 5 building environments set up at home with lots of scripts and automation... still need to automate my builds a bit more but its getting very nice. Plus we have dominated every
bug on the list. Special thanks to the members who helped me test. Thank you so much.

Future deadlines will decouple my coding deadline with the marketing deadline so we always get builds with 2 weeks lead time to market them. With build in hand. But I will always set separate coding deadlines. This one month deadline proved to be accurate give or take a few days.

I'm going to wait for the core slack team to update the links and post their announcements and feedback on this. So just keep posted for that in the next day or two.

ok, let's put it clear.

if you believe that in this business history and ethics matter you are in the wrong field, or you are just a kid  

i don't see anyone stopping business with goldman sachs because of their history for the sake of ethics lol

and how can decentralized markets can be "a thing of the past" if only right now we can start to use a few of them 

Etherium isn't any better. They are trying to store computer code on the blockchain which is too much bloat. I think Lisk has a better idea subcontracting that to side chains.

And lets say you are right, Etherium has fancy code. So how can that prevent me from lying to them or stealing from them?!

The smart contracts we do are double deposit escrow. Heres the example...

In Etherium Bob and Alice make a contract that Bob will pay 10 Eth for Alices guitar. And the contract says it will do it on the condition that they
get some special hash from a shipping website proving the item was shipped.

So wow! They can prove it was shipped and release the funds. But just because something is shipped doesn't make that what you ORDERED. What if Alice lies and sends a box filled with rocks??? Now Bob is forced to pay for something he didn't want and there is nothing he can do because Eth thinks its legitimate.

Computers are extremely easy to lie to. Even with prediction markets, they would have to pull from many different new feeds and broadcast that, this requires human intelligence. What if the news feed is taken out of context? They want to know if "John Smith" will die within 2 years. What if there is an article that says "John Smith died of laughter at the superbowl when he saw the half time show."  Will Etherium think hes dead?

What if there are 1000s of people with the name John Smith?

The only way to prevent the shipping scam with the box of rocks is to use DEPOSITS. If Etherium wants to protect consumers, their smart contracts must be Halo contracts anyways.


What if Bob/Alice want to trade Gold for Silver? How will Etherium know about the real world deliverable?

What if Bob/Alice want to wire money from one country to another? How will Etherium know if the money was sent with the correct amount?

What if Bob wants to hire Alice to mow his lawn? How will Etherium know he did that and how will it know he did a good job?

It wont! The only way to do trustless contracting is with deposits even in Etherium!!

I'm not saying Etherium isnt good for some things. Perhaps they have certain derivative applications, it would be wonderful for a pyramid pay contract, it would be great for business accounts that pay dividends, for businesses that need voting and different classes of shares.

So sure, its useful for some things but the applications we have in Bitbay we are using the perfect contract and i highly doubt you can improve this protocol.

If anything Etherium is extremely bloated, Bitcoin was having 24 hour delays on confirmations and they only send normal transactions. Imagine how much Etherium will grind to a halt if they let people store complex computer code!!

And what about infinite loops or bugs in the contracts? They can't even be sure its secure code, the Frontier site warns that its experimental.

Also you should tell them Bay and Halo have had smart contracts tested and working for years and we have a user interface that they can use with decentralized markets and everything. Just because Etherium has a protocol where is the software that does what Halo does? Do they realize it will take a person years to code what we have done here? Trust me, there will not be smart contracting software like this for at least another 2-3 years.

Also, what you told them is right, they won't have to worry about price swings. There was a famous economist who said long before bitcoin that the future currency will be an electronic one with the ability to control its own supply

I think it will hinder adoption as vendors will not list things that they have to ensure collateral for AND not knowing if their funds will be locked indefinitely... it doesn't make much business sense although technically it is a superior implementation (however it is less work because no GUI is needed). A vendor would much rather have the piece of mind knowing an arbiter is involved that is impartial and not have to lock up funds, that really should be a discretion on the buyer side that he may have his funds locked until he receives his item(s).

It does open up a can of worms of knowing who to pick as an arbiter, because it has to be a trusted person who has incentive to do good, so you must design around that and create the incentive structure for the system to work. It cannot fully trustlessly on mass scale in this way unless you get an insurance agent involved somehow to provide the collateral for you for a charge.

That all being said, something using CLTV however may work using time locks and extending time locks somehow and I think David knows this.. however it is alot of GUI work to get this right, and more moving pieces, more complications, more unit tests.. but ultimately might be the optimal solution. But at this point 2 of 3 is probably the best way to go.

Do you still have the picture you used when posting it?
I would like to have it for our archive

We should make a note of that. What was it you sold? GPU?

Is your wallet up to date? My guess is, is the wallet needs some more syncing to do to load up all offers in the market.

We r nearly in Novemenr. When will this be built? I know it is a one man team creating it but i thought it would be pegged by now. This is taking way too long.

I'm not fudding, I own $1000 worth of bay & want to have a finished product and only then will I start to use it.
I also would like more marketing and a rise in marketcap.