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41  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: July 21, 2014, 08:33:34 PM
Very true - this was something that I neglected to mention in one of the previous posts - not only is there the .6% of EXCH provided to the NAV/U, there is also the difference between the Period NAV/U and the Daily NAV/U that goes to the Fund.

I'd prefer that people pay as close to the NAV/U as possible, but yes, it's just more for SELL (assuming that Difficulty continues to rise). I haven't ignored your previous post, by the way, I'm just rolling it around in my head at the moment-
The fact that DMS and BDD are NOT just about betting on the increase, calculating a range of likely outcomes once and then executing that plan is what I anticipated and liked about DMS back then and BDD now. "Inefficienties" in the market like having to check wether buying at a certain price is really cheaper than buying EXCH and selling the other or wether buy-back conditions are true are added fun for me.

I didn't anticipate from the beginning that the effect of buybacks would be that huge! Or for example back when DMS was running Deprived put up a wrong EXCH price, and only very few lucky ones even noticed and arbitraged. knockonwood Wink

I'm definitely in favour of keeping oddities like this as they are. For plot-twists and lulz!
42  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: July 21, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
...and why would anyone buy and hold (for dear life) B.EXCH? (B.MINE+B.SELL) That's stupid. Do it for short terms at a profit. WATCH B.SELL's dividends (esp. lack thereof) like a hawk... it's a HOLD or EXIT signal.

With the buy back (even @ 2% less and especially so), you can't miss.

FYI what you dismiss as "predicting the future" I subsume as statistical analysis.

Hmmm ... OK maybe you're right. So when will the next B.SELL dividend be?
43  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: July 21, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
I did a spreadsheet for B.EXCH buying 30 days ago and selling today:

You will get a Monthly ROI of 8.155% (nearly 100% APY.) This includes the dividends and the less 2% buy back fee. I don't know what the risks are i.e. Havelock up and disappearing, the Manager getting hit by a bus or otherwise incapacitated, etc.
There is no fixed ROI you will get. BDD is a zero sum game (minus the fees). That fact that you started calculating a ROI means you will have to re-read the OP.
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Not knowing 20's real name is not a big issue for me. Who knows the name/team of the specialist or market makers in the stock market? Probably all just some computer clacking incessantly in the corner of an office somewhere...

But really, Panama?
Did you read OP?

yes I did. And what is your point exactly?

A. No mention of Panama?
B. Is the daily % return too high for you? Too low for you? Don't give a rip?
C. Did 20's give out his name there? Didn't see it...?

Spreadsheets should be done to get a clearer picture of what exactly you are getting into. Of course, garbage in, garbage out...

Havelock is listed in Canade afaik. I don't know where 2070 is located, not it mattered. If you don't trust Havelock - don't invest in this!
2070 stated that he has no access to the funds, only Havelock. Still, since 2070 controls the dividends and issues B.EXCH there are several ways for him to cheat shareholders (a.k.a. "do the Deprived") so if you don't trust him - don't invest.
If you see no way how 2070 doing his thing right will make more money than running - don't invest.

TL;DR: Don't invest Wink
44  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [CRYPTO-TRADE v2.0] Crypto-Trade.com Exchange & IPO -new- official thread! on: July 21, 2014, 09:06:03 AM
i can't even log in. wtf?
I can log in just fine, np whatsoever. Looks great! Slight API changes, no documentation yet, but these are mainly going from lower to uppercase in some places and similar stuff.
45  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [CRYPTO-TRADE v2.0] Crypto-Trade.com Exchange & IPO -new- official thread! on: July 20, 2014, 09:38:32 AM
Congatulations! You did it Cheesy Are there changes in the API?
46  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: July 20, 2014, 09:33:09 AM
I did a spreadsheet for B.EXCH buying 30 days ago and selling today:

You will get a Monthly ROI of 8.155% (nearly 100% APY.) This includes the dividends and the less 2% buy back fee. I don't know what the risks are i.e. Havelock up and disappearing, the Manager getting hit by a bus or otherwise incapacitated, etc.

Not knowing 20's real name is not a big issue for me. Who knows the name/team of the specialist or market makers in the stock market? Probably all just some computer clacking incessantly in the corner of an office somewhere...

But really, Panama?
Did you read OP?
47  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments on: July 20, 2014, 02:39:07 AM

ASKS (aka Selling) Column:

Date/Time   QTY         Price   Value
------------   10/10      0.14   ------
------------    5/5         0.146 ------
------------    6/6         0.15   ------

Can anyone conirm this behaviour? sillywhim you said you SAW the order but you haven't actually done that yourself, correct? This could be the known lag on hl.
48  Economy / Securities / Re: [CRYPTO-TRADE] Crypto-trade.com IPO and official thread! on: July 19, 2014, 05:18:25 PM
I was kidding.
49  Economy / Securities / Re: [CRYPTO-TRADE] Crypto-trade.com IPO and official thread! on: July 19, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Has any one been able to access the site after downtime for upgrade?
Dude! CT has been online for over a day now!  Huh
50  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTC-TC] Deprived Mining Speculation (DMS) on: July 18, 2014, 06:27:02 PM
   0.00034120 per Mining or Purchase
   0.00032901   Per MINING or PURCHASE

Mining got less?
51  Economy / Securities / Re: [CRYPTO-TRADE] Crypto-trade.com IPO and official thread! on: July 17, 2014, 11:56:53 PM
++IMPORTANT NOTICE++
In order to deploy v2.0, Crypto-Trade.com will go into maintenance for several hours, starting @ 9AM UTC (T-3h). We will keep you up-to-date as soon as v2.0 is live and ready for party! Thank you for your understanding.
Seriously, why does anyone in bitcoin-land still give time estimates when nobody is ever able to keep stick to them ... tss tss. Best of luck for the new version still Smiley
52  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: July 17, 2014, 01:57:05 PM
Thanks or the heads-up 2070.
53  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: July 11, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
junkonator, I craft my comments for accessibility to my target audience--teh denizens of this board.
People deserve to hear about the 5 foot jizz harpoon!
54  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: July 10, 2014, 01:58:58 PM
Hey NotLambchop you seriously need to learn how to comment on the internet!!1! Here's how: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJu2G1dvTIU
This tackles youtube and girls but I bet you can transfer the lesson!
55  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments on: July 03, 2014, 09:06:11 AM
The limit of 600 (or is it 300 now?) per 10 minutes is really not very low. Every action a bot takes using the API is counted for this. So for one order it's possible that there are at least 2-3 API calls involved. imho the site should be able to handle this.
56  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Havelock Investments - Exchange feedback/comments on: July 02, 2014, 03:43:55 PM
Charging for any cancel after 10 cancels in a day would probably fix the issue. Most traders would be fine but bot that are just putting orders in front by a few satoshis would be soon stopped.
That would be fine too, I agree.

I don't think that would fix anything. This will just lead to multiple accounts.
57  Economy / Securities / Re: [CANNABIT] Investment Details - Announcement & Discussion Thread #cannabit on: July 02, 2014, 10:52:27 AM
There is counterparty and a friend of mine traded there once Cheesy. Doesn't qualify for "works fine".
58  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: cryptocoincharts.info - bitcoin / altcoin charts on: June 16, 2014, 12:24:38 PM
cryptocoincharts redirects to http://betonnee.itptires.org:2980 right now. PM me if you want to know specifics.
59  Economy / Securities / Re: [RETURN] Announcing CoinReturn Financial IPO! on: June 11, 2014, 06:42:51 PM
Positive Points
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a strong indicator that they are not a Ponzi operation

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60  Economy / Securities / Re: [Havelock] Bitcoin Difficulty Derivative (BDD) on: June 09, 2014, 11:55:44 AM
This is tin-foil hat fun. Continue plz!
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