Such storytelling! As usual reality is a bit mundane and so the writers need to add a bit of pizzazz to the subject like in a mini-series on HBO. Add a touch of sex, a bit of back-stabbing, some random violence and you have a hit series. And then there's the profits. That is why you are here. The Dero platform is about business in the real sense, not the price of the coin at this moment, or the drama queens, but what will be when the business revenue starts rolling in. Why anyone without a Dero comes here to blather about is beyond me. You must have a life outside of the boards. Or do you?
Every good rumor has a hint of truth. Play on that, embellish, then add mustard and ketchup to taste. You have a something to say. A a great amount of time spent on creating this line of "new" truth. I suppose if you don't have a life beyond this, then this is your real life, I hope we can empathize with you. It must be tough to be you. And that is sad.
But we are not talking about you, but talking about Dero. Believe in the project and you will be rewarded. You vote with your dollars. There are plenty of other coins, and many are great projects. I, myself, believe in Dero. I think you should be patient and let the drama die a bit. You will be rewarded.
you have one activity, new account..., drama is not going away because of the infrastructure of the lead developer. You believe in a project full of inconsistency and deceit? Good luck in crypto. Ill be around to take your money  - think about this, Captain Dero has not rebottled a single thing Mojo and Serena have stated... That speaks volumes. Be smart my new delusional noobie crypto buddy. Alan has been around for a long time. |
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Community Advisory Board was already formed, privately I believe
I'm not on it; are you? I didn't really see the point since the wily ol' Cap'n hasn't listened to a damn thing the community has said so far (not that the community is always right, but the point remains). The advisory board has many long time supporters that may not be active on the ANN. |
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All @cryptic_monk said in the tweet/google doc spreadsheet was a repeat of what you have said about DERO Atlantis - that it's a rewrite of CryptoNote in Go. Furthermore, it isn't even clear if he was referring to the latest Atlantis code - i.e., he met your onerous requirements of either having a MSc/PhD or 6+ years experience in cryptography - or is commenting on the outdated and incomplete code that is available on github (as @valgandar points out). The code on Github is still a rewrite of cryptonote in a new language. Before you dismiss that, I think you should take into consideration how hard that is. It requires a deep understanding of cryptography and blockchain. If anybody that can even understand that piece would like to come forward with bugs/security flaws in the Github code, I will allow them to cast a shadow of doubt on the years of experience required to write it (or read it properly). Until then, I'm on capt's side and I can wait a month. |
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The last commit was in April 12th. I think he's talking about all the big changes made in the last months in Atlantis.
Even if you remove the DAG, it is a port of cryptonote in Go, not a fork. |
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Enough with the sig campaign shitposts.
And enough with the hostility. Since the Atlantis release on June 23, DERO's price is down >40% while network hashrate has plummeted by >90%, and all because of self-inflicted wounds. Not surprising given that the DERO team made some boneheaded moves during a brutal bear market for crypto as a whole. I'd say there are some valuable lessons to be learned from all of this, except there aren't: if you need an example of why it is bad to lie to your community then you are a sociopath and beyond being helped in the first place. No worries, I didn't meant to There were 4 users posting with signatures for the same coin in short succession. Had literally nothing to do with anything you're talking about, Magic. I was just tired of seeing their posts. If anything your response was far more hostile than me complaining about posts. I beleive that you talking about priv signatures. Yes i have One as well. But if you read my posts and my activity in discord i give nothing but support to dero. I love the dero project, i already buy some coins, i dont care if the price its low now. I believe in long term and not dump coins. My only wish is to have more Money to buy dero. In some terms i am an noobie, but on another i believe i choose well the projects to follow. DERO its One off them. Please This is no atack to you, only to explain. No worries, I didn't mean to offend anyone either. It was more about users that were posting 1 word responses or not adding to the conversation with their responses. That, to me, looks like people just posting for a signature campaign. |
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Enough with the sig campaign shitposts.
And enough with the hostility. Since the Atlantis release on June 23, DERO's price is down >40% while network hashrate has plummeted by >90%, and all because of self-inflicted wounds. Not surprising given that the DERO team made some boneheaded moves during a brutal bear market for crypto as a whole. I'd say there are some valuable lessons to be learned from all of this, except there aren't: if you need an example of why it is bad to lie to your community then you are a sociopath and beyond being helped in the first place. There were 4 users posting with signatures for the same coin in short succession. Had literally nothing to do with anything you're talking about, Magic. I was just tired of seeing their posts. If anything your response was far more hostile than me complaining about posts. |
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I stumbled across this hilarious website that provides quick stats on coins like market cap, price and volume - http://www.doiownashitcoin.com/ - along with a snarky one-sentence rating. Of course the first one I plugged into it was DERO, which was summarily dismissed as, "This is pure shit"  Trying out a few of the other coins I've mined it gave the following results: ZEN - HODL that shit MUSIC - This is pure shit ITNS - Wtf are you doing with this shitcoin? TZC - You made a shit decision on this one UBQ - To cut to the chase, yes, this shit, but not diarrhea. "ETN - Not bad" "BCN - HODL!!!" Apparently, the page itself is a scam after all... Pandacoin PND: If this was an actual shit, it would be violent diarrhea Solarcoin SLR: You made a shit decision on this one LIVE: Megashit BNT: Not bad PRL: If this shitcoin was an actual shit, you would clog your toilet MANA: It's not Bitcoin, but we're hopeful for the future LEND: The good news is you could have picked shittier DERO: Yoooo….this is shit… Enough with the sig campaign shitposts. |
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Pls find attached premine wallet view key: f221cf4f77d11f0061f3e4c9615540cbc2d2d532ac2f08c623d2a72ad0145d702b7e5941737e041 6eebaba30c3c30b517a14db1efa9aa13b119e31c380313603
Premine is intact... Guess maybe the devs aren't dumping... Hmmm.
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When earlier everything fell in price, this coin was growing upwards. Unfortunately now it is obvious that something is going wrong ... What happened? Why did people start selling their coins?
1) DERO abruptly decided to embrace ASICs after months of claiming it would do the opposite, alienating many long time supporters. 2) Some of most public-facing members of the DERO team - community manager --Serena-- and "unspecified role" team member Mojo - have attacked or banned anyone on the DERO Discord and Slack channels who questioned the above decision, much less argued against it. Granted, some of those people were getting tiresome and others were less-than-respectful, but I daresay that part of the job description for community manager is dealing with the angry and upset, and one should be especially sympathetic when there is a very valid reason for that anger (see reason 1). 3) The source code was supposed to be part of the Atlantis release, but it was delayed by "a few days" so that people with a masters or doctorate in cryptography could evaluate it for bugs/exploits; then it was delayed for a month or more so the DERO Foundation can be set up in Malta or Croatia or whatever. 4) Many Q2/18 goals - like the GUI wallet - were shifted to Q3/18, though to be fair, they did dramatically accelerate the development of Atlantis; then again, the reason for that was to fork off ASICs (see reason 1 again). I've said it before and I'll say it again: good technology - even the best technology - won't save you if you alienate your supporters and flake out on most of your goals, promises and commitments. Totally agree, they promise something and after all the support a lot menbers of this community gave to them, they just prove themselves to run a project with a lack of planning. And that they are not willing to accomplish what do they offer. Is interesting I used to check this thread every day, after the lies of Atlantis anti asic algo I still try to believe in the project, but every time I came here something have change. Now they do not release the code as they promise, and are thinking in a foundation, so they just did it once again. The real problem is that people of this community put o lot of money and time on this and the 3 team members of DERO are making money thought people who just expect that they be more professionals accomplish what do they have promises to this comunity. And the unique answer to that they love to say come back when you feel comfortable. Is evident a lot of people are not buying this so they are selling they coins, just see the markets the las weeks. I think you need to update your argument if you want it to be effective. The REAL problem is that I'm running out of ducks to give. Yes. Ducks. You stay classy, dero. |
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I understand the desire to defend something you are emotionally/financially invested in, but if you are turning a blind eye to all of the problems that have transpired over the last 2 weeks then you are actually doing the project a disservice. No one is ever 100% right, 100% of the time, and that includes the DERO team. Dismissing questions or complaints as FUD is easy; coming up with well-reasoned rebuttals is much more difficult, but ultimately more valuable if your goal is to promote, much less improve, DERO.
Reasonable defenses can only be repeated so many times. Dero will be fine whether or not this FUD spree continues. Other cryptonote projects are getting attacked and becoming stale. The fact is, time will tell and this project is very much in it's infancy. Other projects are now becoming older and frail in comparison. Open invitations to attack the network never closed and it's still running along without hiccups. Defending an investment and reading between the lines should not be confused with one another. Edit: "lack developer" is total FUD, BTW. |
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Hi, develop team do you still develop DERO now, I think this project has a brilliant idea but lack developer.
Haha... Cool story, bro. |
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Exactly, for some reasons they try to stay under the radar.  And still multiple people come to FUD this unknown coin. Maybe some are full of envy The amount of FUD for such a small marketcap is pretty extraordinary. |
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Serena Fox sure as hell ain't her real name.
Still waiting for team information... not to mention source code.
Just addressed source code thing. Quit trolling about it. Who cares who the devs are if they deliver? Remember when people didn't need to know the real life identities of a coin's devs? Pepperidge farm remembers. I forget, who developed the first version of bitcoin, again? |
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You're right in that nothing lasts forever. That was a poor choice of words on my part. However, the most likely scenario I see occurring is that CN ASICs fail at a gradual rate and so there will be a long period of time where hashrate becomes more concentrated among fewer machines - perhaps entirely on a Bitmain pool, which would be even worse - yet is still too high (relative to DERO's price) to make mining it with a GPU worthwhile, much less attractive.
Even if that interval only lasts a few months it will be a serious vulnerability for the network, and that was more or less what I imagined happening when I made my earlier post.
On a theoretical level, I see your point. I'm just not sure how likely that scenario is. It does make sense in that regard I just don't see it as probable, personally. Perhaps, but what is certain right now is that if a CN ASIC fails you can't buy a new replacement for it. If DERO - or other CN coins - become wildly popular in the future (as defined by market cap), then more CN ASICs might be produced, but there could still be a long lead time between an upswing in price/market cap and an ASIC manufacturer responding to it. Furthermore, another situation all but guaranteed to happen at some point is DERO not being the most profitable CN coin to mine so most of the ASICs switch away from it; that would also cause a collapse in hashrate that could be exploited. Basically, the point I am trying to make here is that sticking with an ASIC'ed algo does not necessarily improve network security. The only (current) way for coin devs to truly secure a consensus-based PoW algo is to hold the majority of hashrate themselves, otherwise you are trusting strangers to not gang up on you (which kinda fails the "trustless" criterion, eh?). *** On a separate note, I caught most of the wild pie-fight on Discord today between a bunch of TurtleCoin supporters and --Serena--. Rather than editorialize I'll just reprint one of her comments and let the gentle reader draw his or her own conclusions: I can say one thing for sure though
Turtlecoin is a shitcoin, that is all.
Lol, stay classy, --Serena--... Ya, trying to put someone on blast is super classy in comparison. I don't blame her, they basically raided the dero discord. |
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Everyone knows there is no such supportive team as DERO in crypto world.
Yeah, just look at their "support" for hobbyist/GPU miners. Geezus man. Cool story, bro. Edit: the code for Atlantis isn't released yet (but either is Atlantis). The dero suite code has been released since the network switched to the golang version. Anyway, troll away. |
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1.If anyone invest his time/money on a project just because it's anti asic,he is stupid.
etc,Bitcoin Gold?I'm afraid it's not real anti asic now.
2.If someone hate and leave a project just because it's asic friendly,he is also stupid.
etc,Bitcoin.Any one here mine bitcoin with his gpu?
3.For anyone who hate dero:
PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!
PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!
PLS DUMP YOUR DERO NOW!
And I will take them all.
Look at your community now... They are so smart, coming out with valid points and just calling people stupid. You keep the brightest!!! How is that any different from you sarcastically insulting them? I'm not condoning their statements but you're just doing the same thing. If you would like to add to the conversation by explaining the validity of said points, by all means do. If you just want to troll, feel free to keep such comments to yourself. |
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I think you need to dial back a little, yourself. Nothing lasts forever, including people's decision to mine or not mine something. If the math checks out and money can be made, somebody will mine.
You're right in that nothing lasts forever. That was a poor choice of words on my part. However, the most likely scenario I see occurring is that CN ASICs fail at a gradual rate and so there will be a long period of time where hashrate becomes more concentrated among fewer machines - perhaps entirely on a Bitmain pool, which would be even worse - yet is still too high (relative to DERO's price) to make mining it with a GPU worthwhile, much less attractive. Even if that interval only lasts a few months it will be a serious vulnerability for the network, and that was more or less what I imagined happening when I made my earlier post. On a theoretical level, I see your point. I'm just not sure how likely that scenario is. It does make sense in that regard I just don't see it as probable, personally. |
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Ummm... If irreplaceable ASICs started to fail, the network hashrate would drop and that would slowly lead back to GPU mining becoming competetive again.
You might want to dial back on the dismissiveness, because the reality is that GPU miners have long since moved their hardware over to other coins and probably don't even bother checking on the DERO network anymore; I know I haven't for several weeks. In fact, DERO was already known as an ASIC-friendly coin by virtue of it being just that for the last ~3 months, and once it becomes more widely known that it intends to remain on original CryptoNight then it will be forever removed from consideration by GPU/CPU miners, just like nobody but the utter noob thinks about mining BTC with a GPU these days. I think you need to dial back a little, yourself. Nothing lasts forever, including people's decision to mine or not mine something. If the math checks out and money can be made, somebody will mine. |
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Ummm... If irreplaceable ASICs started to fail, the network hashrate would drop and that would slowly lead back to GPU mining becoming competetive again.
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 I try to start test derod, but it have system time problem and not sync anything. Despite that my pc synced with time.windows.com. If you aren't already on Slack or discord, join and ask there. Mojo, Serena or the community will help you troubleshoot. |
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