I'll bet 60 clams, can't help myself. 

You love talking hypotheticals that are almost certain to never happen.  Clam will be used more widely then JD, its an inevitable fact of exposure which JD is giving plenty of for clams.

Its been just over a month since JD reopened, why don't we give it some time...

Hey Uv! please, tell us what you think! Your opinion matters very much to us!  (that was sarcasm in case you couldn't detect it)
We haven't had a troll in a while so thanks for meeting our troll quota for the week on the forum!  

I see your trolling has finally extended beyond the JD trollbox. I won't bother engaging in your opinions as I've realized trolls don't accept logic. In fact from my experience the more logical you are the more the trolling continues.

Have a great day friend!  

I've honestly never tired... but I would suspect yes.  I'll try myself later this evening

*hugs BayAreaCoins* for being awesome.  both to Kyle and me

Bid for 40 here! 

Low UID here i come!

Looking for testers for the new osx client. 

Its been running on our developers system for over a week with no issues but we'd like a sanity check before we go ahead and release it officially.

http://khashier.com/static/clam-1.4.3.2-osx-beta.dmg

I'm not sure what any of what you said means really.

Clam is nearing 8 months old and while its true its now more widely used because of the exposure from JD we have in the past fixed any problems quickly and are constantly trying to better the codebase for Proof Of Stake. If you have any specific issues we'd be more then happy to take a look at them otherwise what your saying is meaningless.

I know of literally no software that doesn't fit what you've suggested regardless of use. I think the ability to adapt to the situations that present themselves and mitigate issues as they happen is the key in the ever changing world of software development.

And being linked to JD is certainly only temporary, it has after all only been reopened for just over a month. Bitcoin itself when it was in its growing years was tied to gambling when it comes to exposure. Think Satoshi-dice and also Just-dice when it used bitcoin which at points held ungodly amounts of bitcoin on its servers.

With exposure comes more people invested into the ecosystem which means more services and a more balanced network.

Your using an old version of the client. Make sure the version reported back it  1.3.4.1. That error was fixed in the most recent release.  

Also, to save time importing I suggest doing it like so

importprivkey privkey "label" false     

until you get to the last key then do

importprivkey privkey "label" true


otherwise it will do a rescan on ever key import and take a while for you to do. You will not see any clams until you import your last key with 'true'   but its a good plan.

Those calculations have been fixed in the newest client.  Both the network weight and the expected time.  Download the new client if you would like proper estimates. Of course thats just what they are, estimates.

You can tell your on the new client as it has the proper version number of 1.4.3.1
Theres other updates, like the active supply is now displayed in getinfo.

Its not a required update but it does fix a lot of those little problems as well as implement clamspeech. It will require a reindex however and it can take a little while to do that.
 

Just an awesome thought garthkiser had, but if the facets held onto a perpetual amount of coins the staking they can do could provide the the clams needed to fund the faucets! 
It would likely take 100-200 coins at this point and the pool would have a constant (albeit up to variance) supply of clams. Maybe do like doogus does and keep 5-10% of the staked rewards (that's just a thought I had).

You guys should both pop into our irc channel over the next day or two, we would likely be willing to help fund it out of some bounty funds we have!

Come over to irc #clams, its much easier to trouble shoot in back and forth communication.

.0001 for ltc and btc  .01 for doge

Were talking about the security of a block chain here, not if I trust a person or entity to give me a service that I paid for. There not the same thing. The entire principle behind bitcoin and the reason I see it as a novel idea is that I don't have to trust a human being to do the right thing. Not only is the code available for me to look though if I'm so inclined but the consensus mechanism and protocol built around consensus provide a verifiable way to transfer a store of value from one person to another without any human trust involved.

Other then in certain cases, and for PoS, staking more then 51% in a single place breaks the consensus mechanism and degrades us back into trusting a human to do the right thing.    


You have me here. People do trust JD and it does bring value to the clam network as a whole, I would never argue that. Currently at the same time however its breaking the key part of the system that required no human trust to begin with.


My english is often poor so let me clarify. I have no doubt other services will pop up. I do have a small  amount of doubt that the other services will help the situation. I can't predict the future and neither can you. When other services start to exist the situation will be much more clear and I truly hope no interaction by anyone is required at all and the problem fixes itself.

This is something were going to have to wait to see how it unfolds.  


This will be technical so you might not get it but I'll explain it anyways.  

First, significantly might be overplaying it but I still fully believe it is safer and could easily be made much more verifiable safe by the way I create the binarys. Let me explain why.  

The way I envisioned it working since launch date requires much less trust. You can't see dooglus's code on JD. He himself states he could be keeping the keys, or whatever with them so your left trusting a single person. A incredible trustworth person yes, but its still trusting a single point of failure.

So your not a coder you say, how can you possible trust the client!  well. let me explain to you the process I use to build the client.

I use gitian builder, which is a deterministic method to build it.  What that means is it can be built identically, the same way every time by more then just me using the code directly from the git repo. I provide my signature and the checksums of the client, lets say dooglus does the same and other trusted members of the community who can read and understand the code who trust the code is safe build it the same, sign it and all provide identical checksums.

This ensures the binary your downloading has been built directly from the code on the github repo and that multiple people verified the code in github was safe. This has ALWAYS been my end goal but it was not tell now there were people involved other then myself who were capable of compiling using gitian builder.

The new version of the client 1.4.3.2 with the autotools build system will include at the very least my gpg signature and at least one other. I would love to get dooglus to do it as well and the process will be much simplified in the new source code.



I would also like to point out, since the very beginning we have constantly told people to move their funds into new wallets before importing. Your logic here is lost on me entirely. How is the client any less safe if this is done then if its done at JD?  Also, the user does not have total control of the addresses on the JD system. JD has total contol as the moment you dig the funds are swept into a JD wallet. dooglus has even posted the code that does that part of the process when you dig.

If JD were to go offline you would lose access, unlike your client which you actually will never lose access to baring your own person computer failure. Everything remains in your control in the client locally.  




My name is actually Scott, xploited being a nicname I picked up when I was younger and interested in operational security. I'm pretty sure no sane parent would name there child xploited.  I should totally just change my nic to MostTrustedPersonInTheWorld and then the issue who be completely moot!

If you had bothered to ask me my name I would have glady given it to you, its not like i'm hiding.  

I'm going to try to be nice, but your making it difficult.

I disagree wholeheartedly with just about everything you said.  The client is significantly safer then a website you send your private keys to. dooglus himself trusted it and continues to use it. It is after all where those 200k+ clams are being held. In all the hundreds of wallets that been imported by now there's never been one case of anything nefarious and there never will be.  

You say you think its safe but it sketches you out?  how can you have it both ways.. The fact you haven't even downloaded the client shows me you have no care at all about clams, its just a game to you and you make your decisions on anything but fact or logic.

The price is certainly one aspect of any coin, but for the 6 months before the increase in adoption things were doing just fine and development continued along. For some there's more concern then just price, but where not all just day traders like yourself, some of us care and believe in the technology and are trying to improve it in some way. Its not very valuable if all the adopters are not actually interested in clams but just want to make a quick buck. Adoption is great but the wrong type of adoption is not.  

If all the investors at JD want to devest and drop all the coins in the market, so be it, I welcome that. At least the network would almost certainly be secure which it currently isn't.

Crypto currency should not be based on trust. The fact you think its all right speaks volume to your character and the reasons you do what you do. It does not matter how trustworthy the individual is in the slightest.  

Me and dooglus discussed the situation just last night and came to the conclusion its too early to decided if JD having the coins and the hold over the network that comes with it is temporary or something that will get worse over time. If another service pops up and the problem resolves its self that would be wonderful but I would much rather have people dump coins into users who care about clams and will help secure the network themselfs at any price then have the JD stack become larger and larger making the issue worse.

There is no magic in anything we do with your wallet. Its quite simple what we've done. Its all encapsulated in a single function and is almost a complete direct copy of the standard LoadWallet function but we ignore all other data other private keys where thats the only important information.

All the times you've been on irc and talking to us I would have been more then happy to exactly explain what we did, why did you never ask?

Man, I keep getting sucked in but your reading comprehension is obviously 0 so I feel I have to keep explaining things to you like I would a child and hope you might eventually get it.
https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor    and  https://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml#tor  ..   No, they don't block tor but awesome job at using google!

None of the devs/creators of clams offered you anything.

We have barely anything to offer (no premine) and what we do have in our own personal stashes we certainly wouldn't give to maybe be put on an exchange. We wouldn't even give it to definitely be put on an exchange.  We've used our own personal funds for ports of bitcore/insight tipbots for irc/reddit, useful things that will better the ecosystem.

Your idea of what a developer is is every bit as silly as what your idea of freespeech is.

Were not magical all knowing beings.. but we can certainly find the information when its relevant and needed.  

Thanks for you post friend.  

You must have the old client which has a known issue with the time to stake.
The new client is correct and you can download the update from www.clamclient.com

To answer your question though, no, your likelihood of staking is not increased over time.

I'm not going to respond to you any more as its a total waste of my time but I was reading and couldn't help myself.

You obviously don't understand what free speech even means and I'm not going to explain it to you.. but for clarity AGAIN ..    freespeech != anonymity      and as you might not know what !=   mean, it means "Does Not Equal"

Your practising free speech this very moment with your trolling.
You can continue to do so and prove how silly your arguments actually are, but I'll practice my free speech as well by not responding.

Have a good day sir.


EDIT:  Even better, freenode allows tor. I don't use Tor so I wasn't aware but when I brought it up in the channel it was explained to me.   In fact.. theres currently users in the #clams channel on freenode that are using tor.     

So I guess that means your entire argument is moot. 

To keep on the good news,  Clams is now listed on Cryptsy

https://www.cryptsy.com/markets/view/CLAM_BTC

I'm calling BS too!  free speech is only possible with tor now is it?    freespeech != anonymity.. although I certainly appreciate the desire to remain anonymous.  your more then welcome to set up said irc channel that you can use tor with yourself.