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I am assuming when you say security labels it is the hologram you are referring to. Correct?
Some food for though for you......
As for the private and public key issue, which is a big deal for all of us....Why not have the purchaser submit their public key?
This way you are never held liable for any crypto funded into the key under the hologram.
In other words, they create their own public and private key and just submit the public key to you?
Or they can send you their hardware(trezor) or software (Mycelium) wallet public key if they do not want to bother in making a private and public key.
Our labels will look something like the labels on Denarium coins: Front: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Wallet_red2-1.jpgInside: https://denarium.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/denarium_build.jpgThe front label displays the amount, the private key is concealed till you peal the sticker off. We could create simple labels that only display the public key without the inside, but if you wanted to be anonymous, you wouldn't want me to have the public key either. That information can still be used to your disadvantage. Moreover, if you make people provide their public keys, you'll lose everybody who doesn't know how to do that, which is who we are trying to convince to try out this new type of piggy bank + money system. EDIT: We're working on a solution to create the private keys in a concealed manner, or at least automate the process so that no human gets a glimpse at any private keys. Advice from printing specialists is well appreciated  I guess the best way for skeptics is to just order the DigiPiglet without any crypto, and either throw away the label or use it as a decoy for your own keys (that don't match the front code). I guarantee you though, average Joe doesn't care about security, he wants easy! Grandma does not understand what private keys are, and John Doe does not have the time to "deal with all that computer stuff". This project is designed to make it easy as can be, so that all those people would buy DigiPiglets for their loved ones or themselves. We'll keep that premise in mind, while creating a solution that has a next level of security You said that you send the PRIVATE keys to a printing company. I'm sorry but if that's the case your OPSEC needs to be revisited. If I misunderstood than all good.
Even if I made these labels myself, I would end up seeing your private keys. This applies to any project, I chose this method deliberately because there have been less reports about stolen physical Bitcoin, or compromised keys, than hacked exchanges, security issues with hardware wallets and all those things. If you want the masses to adopt Bitcoin, you have to create a method that they can use. Once users have to "generate" anything, it becomes a niche thing. Don't forget, this is supposed to be a piggy bank containing 10€, not your main wealth account. EDIT: Consider it done, we'll come up with a solution that gives us an extra layer of protection. However, we probably will never achieve 100% security. Any product that claims 100% security is a fraud. |
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1) Where are you located? (i.e. from which country do you dispatch your products) I couldn't find that info on your site. Since there might occur import taxes (depending on your location & the dispatching locations) I believe that this info should be mentioned somewhere 2) "each DigiPiglet will contain approximately €10 worth of Bitcoin as a starting credit." Are you going to use the bitcoin market value at the time of placing the order (for calculating those €10 into BTC), or at some time later on when you will be ready for dispatching (this info should be crystal clearl & available on your site FAQ) 3) Your idea is not 100% original. There are other companies with similar piggy bank products. What are the strengths of your product compared to what is currently available on the market? Concerning the private key security issue: one of your competitor does the following: Displays the public address QR code directly to the plastic piggy on open view. Everyone can send BTC to that addy (hence it acts like a piggybank). When you would like to withdraw (i.e. break the piggybank in the traditional way, and collect the funds): the piggy comes with an opendime attached (and the public QR code addy derives from that opendime private key). Hence you break the opendime (instead of the piggy) and the private key is revealed. No private key trust issues here. Also (for more privacy) gives options for the customers to print the QR code itself and place it to the piggy (either from the included opendime or from any other opendime) I do not want to mention the name of that company here (it would be unethical to do so on your topic, due to competition). I would gladly let you know through PM, however (for research purposes LOL). 1) We will be selling from Austria. You can buy Bitcoin in corner stores there. Legal pages for the website are in the works. 2) We'll set up a system, where the Bitcoin are purchased automatically with each sale. For now however, while we're in early stage, we'll buy Bitcoin manually to have it ready once the labels arrive. If the price happens to drop by the time we're ready to ship, we'll just make another market buy and hold the more expensive coins. I think it's quite possible that prices drop to 3k again. We'll make sure that this does not tarnish the user experience. Once the price starts becoming really volatile again though, we won't be able to guarantee that the 10€ will not turn into 5€ or 15€ while the piglets are being shipped over night. That's your typical crypto risk 3) I think I know which project you are referring to, they have a different execution, different features, different advantages and disadvantages. Our design is unique, which makes it stand out more. The underlying "technology" we're using is very simple and requires no setup, no prior knowledge, no computer, literally nothing. Many other projects I've seen are geared towards people that know what they're doing and dealing with. Our goal is to win over those who doubt us, distrust us and don't see the value in it, and therefore don't want to learn anything about it. It's designed to be as simple as possible, requiring literally no steps if you just want to hold on and see where it goes. At the same time it's somewhat familiar, because we are and look like a piggy bank. By adding different models/animals, we increase the novelty character and it becomes a collectible. |
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Am I reading this right you are providing the private keys to a printing company? Please tell me that is not the case.  If you don't trust us you can always order without crypto, throw away the label and create your own. The company is not just "a printing company". They're an experienced manufacturer of security labels for various purposes, with decades of experience. Both the company and my team have a perpetuating interest in making this work. Either way, you can't produce a product like this without putting some trust in someone, no way around there. EDIT: The private keys won't be shared, we're working on a solution to cut out any middlemen, ourselves included. Glad you found more traction in the collectibles section, OP! I knew you would, and great to see krogoth will add you to his impressively growing list of Bitcoin-related collectibles. I still haven't really even gone through the entire list meself but I've already become a sort of mini hoarder when it comes to collectibles, and need to wait til I get a permanent house before resuming the habit heh.
Good luck, as I said, add the engrave option and I'm definitely going to get 1 for a kid. Piggy banks are good mmkay?
Thank you! Will look into it, if we can make it happen, we will. It got me thinking about some special features as well. Maybe we'll ship out a few piglets with some special features or anomalies  THANKS FOR THE SUPPORT GUYS, ONLY A FEW LUCKY10 COUPONS LEFT. EARLYBIRD FOR 20%!Let me know what other ideas you guys might have. We'll try to make this to be something special. |
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We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle.
Glad to hear that! Please post your items in this thread of crypto collectables. You will be added on the link page as well. Goodluck https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5107629.0Done, thanks for the hint  No Cow?
I'm sure we can find a lady for our bull? I am also thinking about Pandas. And I'm pretty sure I won't be able to resist the urge to recreate this: https://i.ibb.co/kX9tWXC/dp-doggo-idea.jpg |
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Thanks for the code, I've ordered one for the hell of it.
Wish there was a discount on the all 3 package would have bought that.
It's a novelty really, not anything amazing, it's a QR code stuck onto a plastic animal but none the less it's a fun way to get kids saving in BTC.
Once it's arrived I'll leave feedback on here accordingly, I'd be grateful if you could do the same!
Hell yeah! Thanks for the support You can use "earlybird" for a 20% discount on all items. What do you mean the same company that casascius is using I presume he meant the same holo making company Casascius used in the past. That's correct. May I ask how and who is in charge of creating the public and private keys?
Edit: Do you sell any unloaded?
We will create the public and private keys, the company will print the labels and send them to us. The company has an interest in maintaining it's reputation, so you can be sure that your private keys won't be copied by them. They've been selling those labels for quite a few years now. EDIT: We will generate the keys, only get the hologram from the company. We do sell unloaded Piglets as well, especially for our US customers. Just use "nocrypto" at checkout if you order one of the animals, or "nocryptobundle" if you're ordering the bundle. EDIT: The unloaded version will include the hologram label, without the private keys. You can create your own private keys and attach them with the hologram label. |
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Thanks so much for the feedback and the ideas guys! Highly appreciated ! I've started another thread in Marketplace/Collectibles, probably fits better here (thanks buwaytress). Leave us a comment if you like: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130404.new#newMeanwhile, Facebook has a problem with our little piglets: https://ibb.co/SBNTwMqThe lizard people apparently see Bitcoin as their adversary |
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2021 EDIT: The piggy bank project has been halted, but DigiPiglets will continue to exist as NFTs. Just check out www.DigiPiglets.com for more Old PostHi! I'm the creator of DigiPiglets.com. DigiPiglets are basically physical Bitcoins, sold as piggy banks to help people grasp the idea of saving money with Bitcoin. While most of us grew up using a computer, many people still don't know how the internet really works, what the possibilities are and what it can do for them. Bitcoin can be very complicated, but it doesn't have to be. We want to offer people a simple solution, something that people can collect and have fun with. Not for the sake of selling a lot of Bitcoin, for the sake of introducing newcomers to the topic. Here's an image:  There is more: We want to create a whole lot of other animals, some of which will be limited. The first two special editions will be a bear and a bull for all our investors out there Bull and Bear:  I'd love to hear what other animals you'd like to see. How will we store the Bitcoin on the DigiPiglet?We will create labels with concealed private keys, following the same security standards as banks use when they send pins. I'm working with an experienced software engineer, to have a program, that sends the labels to a printer and deletes its memory, and never displays the private keys to anyone. We'll be as transparent about the process as we can be without compromising security. We also have another thread open in Bitcoin projects, check it out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5101723.0The DigiPiglet Journey - We're collecting for Venezuela, find the thread here:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183158.0Check out our social media channels for more infos and pictures: Twitter:https://twitter.com/DigiPigletsInstagram:https://www.instagram.com/digipiglets/Steemit:https://steemit.com/@nate.frenchLet us know what you think! THANKS FOR READING
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Here you go:  Can't believe your post was downvoted so much on the Bitcoin subreddit. I get that it's basically a commercial post, but it's still pretty cool to share I think. Btw, if you're interested, I'd be willing to write a review of your product on my Steemit blog, which has around 850 followers. No charge for the article itself, though it would be nice if you could send a piggy bank for free in exchange, so I can review it & add some original photographs. You can see a review of my services here on CoinScribbleThanks for positivity I am definitely sending you a free DigiPiglet once we got the hologram design ready! I'll send you a PM! I've been thinking about sending a few DigiPiglets to celebrities, important figures of crypto and opponents as well. Who should receive one? |
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Is the delivery "box"/envelope at least partially tamper proof, so we can see the piggy bank comes directly from you? Not talking about labels here but actual physical protection of the label container (the piggy bank). I understand this isn't made to store millions, but there's no way to know the 0.01s stored there aren't going to be worth those millions one day We'll send the packages directly to the customer. As long as the sticker on the DigiPiglet is intact you can be confident your private key is safe. We are considering using security packaging, or a seal on the box. However, you can never achieve 100% security. If someone with the skills puts his mind into hacking you, he'll break through any amount of seals we put on the product. For the majority however, the sticker itself should do the trick. It will also motivate you to hodl, because once the seal is broken, you would throw it away. We'll instruct the users to only use the private key once for safety reasons. As for your last point: highly agreed We'll do our best to make this method as safe as possible |
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That's true, we plan to add security instructions and use the opportunity to teach people how to use the private keys properly, and what other methods might be better for storing larger quantities of coins. We could include a little booklet, flyer or card with information. What do you guys think should be included in the manual? Interesting idea for sure. It does seem like you could setup a program that sends your customers the 10 bucks in bitcoin after they generate a paper wallet themselves to keep in the piggy Definitely an option, have to check the legal aspect of that. Cool to see a piggy bank concept again. Feels like the 2.0 from the foldable piggy banks. May it be possible, maybe a nfc tag as the wallet inside to make verifying/using easy.  Also an interesting idea. How safe are those tags (apart from physical theft)? Do you have any experience? So if I understand the concept correctly, the private keys will be stored inside the Piggy right? What if someone robs the piggy or you lose it due to any circumstances? Do you lose access to your coins as well? That is if the private key is not backed up anywhere?
That's true, physical theft is not ruled out. We are not trying to be the perfect solution to storing Bitcoin. We are trying to be the "entry point" method, easy to use, with no setup required. It's also something that crypto enthusiasts can give as a gift to others, without spending hundreds of dollars. Thank all of you for the feedback and support! |
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Ok, do I understand this correctlly.. you outsourced the creation of the paper wallet to a external company? <I hope you not doing this to wash your hands when something goes wrong with coins getting lost?> I kind of agree with you that non-technical people might struggle with paper wallet creation and that malware infected pc's might compromise their paper wallets and you might get blamed for it. <Good point>  Ps : Thank you for the latest picture. We will generate the keys, encrypt the data and transmit it to the company. They will print the labels and send them to us. A honeycomb pattern will indicate if the label has been tampered with. They have been producing labels for this specific purpose for almost a decade now. As far as I know, the other projects have not been majorly compromised by any attacks, whereas numerous exchanges, hardware wallets, desktop wallets and apps have been hacked. Of course we have to trust the company as well, but they would rather sell more labels than scam a few people for, again, $10 As for the collecting aspect: We want to create a variety of animals in limited edition series (whales, pandas...?). I was also thinking about sending some collectors items to advocates (and maybe opponents too?). What else you'd like to see? |
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Cheers eternalgloom! Glad you added a prototype, but I would like something placed next to the prototype to get the actual size and dimension of the actual piggy Bank. The printing of the actual Private keys is a major concern, because people do not want anyone else to have access to the private keys, other than the owner of that Private key. <I suggest that you redesign the Piggy Bank to make provision for a slot to add your own Private key <piece of paper> or even a slot for a Ledger Nano hardware wallet.> Most people want the highest security for their coins and also a good hiding place for those coins. <Shipping the Piggy Banks without any coins or paper wallets will be the way to go, because you can place instructions on a website for people to create their own secure paper wallets or discounts arranged with a partnership with Ledger for their hardware wallets.> (( Buy a hardware wallet and get a piggy bank for a reduced price deals. )) This picture might help with dimensions. The piglet fits inside the 4cm (1.6 inch) square. The final model will be bigger though. https://twitter.com/DigiPiglets/status/1109635118438731776As for the security aspect: I agree that most crypto enthusiasts want the utmost security. Of course, we will take all the necessary precautions to make sure that sensitive data does not get into the wrong hands. I chose the company with the most experience in this field to minimize any possible risk. Either way, DigiPiglets are not designed to store thousands of dollars/euros. DigiPiglets should replace your piggy bank that you put a few bucks in, maybe a couple hundred. The other thing is, that all those hardware wallets have been successfully hacked (by ethical and non-ethical hackers). Paper wallets cannot be hacked. They have other disadvantages, but for the average user, trying to store only a few bucks, they should work in most cases. Another aspect is, that people don't want to deal with all that technical stuff. As soon as you have to work with a computer or follow some technical instructions, people will be thrown off. There is a great portion of society, that does not work with computers. Those that do rarely even know how to use Google. Those, who are surfing the web constantly, tend to forget how many people participate in this economy without a technical device. This is the opportunity for those people to try out Bitcoin without risking much or having to figure anything out. The toy animals give them something tangible (and hopefully loveable ). I do like the "slot" idea though. We initially planned on placing the label on a coin, inside a slot in the piggy. However, we chose to simplify it, and are considering a spin-off where we use the DigiPiglets theme to create other stuff, so we might end up building some slot-piggys I'll post the first colored sample soon. Stay tuned and thanks for all your feedback! If you want to help us push this project, just leave us some comments on Twitter, Instagram etc. |
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A little update: First uncolored prototype arrived (since I can't display any images I'll link the twitter account, if anyone is able to display it that would be great!) https://twitter.com/DigiPiglets/status/1108884554155261952As for the private/public key, we will use specialty labels with tamper evidence, made by the same company that provided them for the Casascius and Denarium projects. The labels will be placed at the bottom of the DigiPiglets, so that you won't see it unless you lift it up. The security label will always display the public key, and only reveal the QR code + private key if pealed off. DigiPiglets are designed to replace your regular piggy bank. People usually don't put thousands of Dollars (Euros/Yuan etc.) into their piggy bank, which is why we believe the security measures should be sufficient for a newcomer. People oftentimes get thrown off Bitcoin, because they have to learn so many other things (at least that's what they believe). Most people still barely know how to use the internet. If you want those same people to adapt Bitcoin, it might help if it comes in the form of something they know, and can hold in their hand. Those people usually don't care about KYC and they don't distrust the government. They do however feel like the money that they are saving is going away. They can't put it safely in a bank anymore, because the interest rates are close to, if not, zero. They can with Bitcoin however, provided they hold long enough. The HODL meme has been getting a bad reputation lately, but empirically, that's the only thing you have to do to get returns on Bitcoin. We have a blog now as well: https://digipiglets.com/blogs/newsCheck it out and leave us a comment. I am happy about any kind of feedback. DigiPiglets on other platforms (more pictures and infos): Twitter: https://twitter.com/DigiPigletsSteemit: https://steemit.com/@nate.frenchInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digipiglets/Reddit: u/DigiPiglet What other animals would you like to see? |
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We've created a comic series starring the DigiPiglet and his friends, the anxious bear and the excited bull. We want to cover topics like investing, crypto and saving money.  What do you think? What are the mayor topics people still get wrong about crypto and investing? Let me know what you'd like to see in the future Link to Imgur: https://imgur.com/gallery/oHIeJVr |
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How will you be able to ensure that you don't have access to those private keys?
I see that you're trying to reach people who aren't familiar with Bitcoin, but not having your customers be able to generate their own private keys in a secure way seems like a pretty big security concern.
Is it possible to also send Bitcoins into the paper wallet after the customer has received the pig?
How about printing a QR code and public key on the piggy bank itself?
I think it's a cool and unique project for sure, but I'm a little bit concerned at the security aspects of it.
Thanks for the feedback! There are indeed numerous things to consider regarding security. Different ways of storing crypto have different pro's and con's, the best thing people can do, is to not rely on any one method too much, but rather spread out their funds and be aware of risks associated with each method. Whatever doubts you have we will try to address in our blog, educate people about advantages and risks as good as possible, and most of all, take the necessary precautions to ensure security. These will include among others: printing paper wallets on a printer with no hard drive and disconnected from the internet, ensuring that no third parties get in contact with private or public keys, making sure no names can be associated with public addresses, etc... It will definitely be possible (and encouraged) to send Bitcoin to the paper wallet address, and we will provide users with the address once the order has been made. It might be safer though, if the address is provided separately from the DigiPiglet. A potential thief who might think it's just a children's toy might get the (right) idea and grab it if he sees a QR code. We are currently evaluating different methods of integrating the private keys into the DigiPiglet, one of which could be a similar arrangement like on Casascius coins. We will definitely consider offering users the option to put in their own private keys and reduce the price accordingly, if people prefer this option. I could imagine though, that people rather pick the easy way. Let me know what you think? We want to encourage people to start saving some money in crypto, just like they do with fiat (only without the inflation). Having a real piggy bank might help people grasp this otherwise "untouchable" asset. |
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The idea is good but I am still thinking about the security concerns.
== are you going to do 3d printing?
== You really need a bitcoin payment system. Paypal is a no no from me. I am sure for others too who deals with crypto.
== Shipping worldwide?
== What are you thinking about marketing?
== the final website will have not password? right?
== The website looks very nice and clean.
Thank you for the edit and the feedback! Not sure what went wrong with the images - 3D Printing: Maybe, we are still testing out different options to find the best results - Bitcoin Payment: Definitely! Will be available shortly. But we have to offer traditional payment systems, since we are trying to attract newcomers, who, per definition, never had anything to do with Bitcoin before. - Shipping worldwide: Yes, we do offer worldwide shipment. However, we expect some difficulties with certain counties who are taking a hostile stance towards crypto. - Marketing: The main focus at the beginning will be to engage with the community here and elsewhere. We'll also create a blog to educate people about crypto in general, and how you can use our product. We are also contemplating various ideas for Guerilla marketing, the use of Social Media and traditional methods. - The password protection will be gone once we officially launch - Thank you |
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2021 EDIT: The piggy bank project has been halted, but DigiPiglets will continue to exist as NFTs. Just check out www.DigiPiglets.com for more ___ Today, I'd like to announce a new project for the Bitcoin sphere. As we all know, owning Bitcoin can be incredibly easy. Ask the average person on the street though, while most people have awareness of the Bitcoin "brand", they usually don't know how to use it. We want to show people how easy it can be to own Bitcoin, or give it to someone as a gift. To do this, we created DigiPiglets: www.DigiPiglets.com  Each DigiPiglet will contain a private key which will be printed on a security hologram label, placed underneath the DigiPiglets. To retrieve your coins, you peal off the security label, and use the private key inside to load your coins on to your wallet. We are selling a special edition of bears and bulls for all our investors and traders out there   What would you like to see? EDIT1: Shop live! Bitcoin payments enabled. Use Promocode "earlybird" for 20% discountEDIT2: FAQ and Contact us updated EDIT3: Comic Series started: https://imgur.com/t/comics/oHIeJVrEDIT 4: First Prototype arrived EDIT 5: First Samples arrived. DigiPiglets on other platforms (more pictures and infos): Twitter: https://twitter.com/DigiPigletsInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/digipiglets/ |
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They are designed to be a little squishy, so it can get quite addicting to play around with it 
