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41  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 06, 2011, 11:14:18 AM
All left-wingers propose an incoherent worldview, because they support egalitarianism of finance only.

I class my self as a left winger but I support equality not only of finance but of rights, freedoms and decision making power.

So, how does that work, exactly? You're free to trade, as long as everything has exactly the same monetary value and nobody comes off 'better'?

I never said that and 'everything has the exact same monetary value' doesn't make sense.

"Equality of Finance" means what, then?

That the difference between earnings of the highest paid and the lowest paid is minimal.
42  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 06, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
So if there is an inalienable right to health, surely that means if someone is dying of kidney failure, it is in fact legitimate to take a kidney away from a match by coercion

No. This violates the right of control over one's own body.

if someone needs money for healthcare you advocate appropriating it from successful people by coercion?
Yes. The idea is that everyone pays for the health of everyone. Those who can afford more, pay more.
43  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 06, 2011, 10:58:46 AM
All left-wingers propose an incoherent worldview, because they support egalitarianism of finance only.

I class my self as a left winger but I support equality not only of finance but of rights, freedoms and decision making power.

So, how does that work, exactly? You're free to trade, as long as everything has exactly the same monetary value and nobody comes off 'better'?

I never said that and 'everything has the exact same monetary value' doesn't make sense.

My political beliefs are based on a few things that I believe are fundamental:

  • Everyone alive now and alive in the future has a set of rights - eg. the right to life and health; the right to basic material security (shelter, clothes, food etc); the right to basic social security (education, community, creativity, fulfilment etc.); the right to do with their body as they wish;
  • Everyone alive now and in the future is free to do anything as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights and freedoms of others both now and in the future.
  • This is a finite world with finite resources but there is enough to provide for everyone and enable them to have all of their rights.

This leads to various ideals including democracy, socialism ('left'), libertarianism, pacifism and environmentalism.
44  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Book request to the dwellers Politics & Society on: July 06, 2011, 10:19:28 AM
I agree with 1984 and Brave New World and also suggest Animal Farm by George Orwell and Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.
45  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 06, 2011, 10:03:37 AM
All left-wingers propose an incoherent worldview, because they support egalitarianism of finance only.

I class my self as a left winger but I support equality not only of finance but of rights, freedoms and decision making power.
46  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 06, 2011, 09:59:06 AM
Can someone please define wealth? Then it would be more clear whether wealth is limited or not.
47  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why do people buy computers, with possible trojans pre-installed? on: July 05, 2011, 10:38:07 PM
People buy PCs and laptops with Windows preinstalled because almost all PCs and laptops come with Windows preinstalled. It's as simple as that. Most people don't have the technical knowledge to attempt to install a different operating system than what came by default.
48  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
There are limits but we aren't limited by them.

lol
They say you can't move matter faster than the speed of light. However, you can move the space around an object as fast as you like.

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There no coherent logic here. None.
49  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 09:39:40 PM
There are limits but we aren't limited by them.

lol
50  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 09:26:58 PM
As I understand, capital is a physical good used to produce goods and services that doesn't get consumed in the process. An example would be a catalyst in a chemical reaction or a tool used in production. The capital itself has to eventually be produced from the finite resources we have so is finite itself.
John has a factory that can produce 5 cars with 1 unit of energy. He invents a process that uses less matter and only .25 units of energy. Revenue increases, not from harvesting more finite resources but by using less and meeting more desire.

Do you understand my premise now?

That is a description of increased efficiency. I don't see how that leads to unlimited wealth.
Because there is always room for more efficiency until we reach no scarcity at all.

That is incorrect. There are physical limits to efficiency. You can't, for example, produce a car using no matter and no energy.
51  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 09:20:52 PM
As I understand, capital is a physical good used to produce goods and services that doesn't get consumed in the process. An example would be a catalyst in a chemical reaction or a tool used in production. The capital itself has to eventually be produced from the finite resources we have so is finite itself.
John has a factory that can produce 5 cars with 1 unit of energy. He invents a process that uses less matter and only .25 units of energy. Revenue increases, not from harvesting more finite resources but by using less and meeting more desire.

Do you understand my premise now?

That is a description of increased efficiency. I don't see how that leads to unlimited wealth.
52  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 09:07:36 PM
As I understand, capital is a physical good used to produce goods and services that doesn't get consumed in the process. An example would be a catalyst in a chemical reaction or a tool used in production. The capital itself has to eventually be produced from the finite resources we have so is finite itself.
53  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 08:49:37 PM
But you need resources to do things with resources.

It's called Capital, haha.

but capital requires finite natural resources to create and is therefore finite itself   Roll Eyes
54  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 03:32:12 PM
Vacuume energy, as far as we know, can not be harvested for 'free energy'.
That is what the governments and big energy companies want you to believe. Many inventors, engineers and scientists have proved otherwise. They are just not recognized by the established scientific journals and universities because they are also under the control of these same interests.

Actually, this is what our current understanding of the laws of physics wants us to believe.  Extracting useful energy from the ZPF would require overturning just about everything we know about energy.  And would be totally cool.

And as far as we know, impossible.
55  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 01:28:13 PM
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Cold Fusion effects have appeared in hundreds of experiments. A leading NASA scientist (Dennis Bushnell) has also confirmed that Cold Fusion is real and the most promising future energy technology.

citation needed

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That is what the governments and big energy companies want you to believe. Many inventors, engineers and scientists have proved otherwise. They are just not recognized by the established scientific journals and universities because they are also under the control of these same interests.

So any evidence that goes against what you say can be explained away by claiming that 'the powers' are planting false evidence / hiding the truth.
56  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "You've got two, he's got none, give him one!" - Redistribution of Health on: July 05, 2011, 12:49:39 PM
No giving up one of my balls for anyone.  What does that now make me ?

A male  Tongue
57  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Donations... really? on: July 05, 2011, 12:47:35 PM
Hi,

I really don't get how everyone is putting a "liked my post? donate!" in their signature. I mean, come on, wtf? Now you expect me to pay you because you voluntarily decided to express an opinion and it wasn't total crap?

What's with the greed, dude...

Seriously, how much do people expect to make this way? A dollar a week? 1.20$?

I propose an unconditional, unlimited ban for everbody having a bitcoin address in their signature!

You do understand that donations are voluntary, don't you?
58  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Secure Wallet Linux on: July 05, 2011, 12:43:23 PM
It would be nice to have a description of what exactly comes bundled with the live CD and also maybe some screenshots.

You should post the source code / build scripts etc that you used to create the live CD and what original image you modified. This is so that people can verify that it is not modified to steal wallets.

I'm sure it isn't but you can never be too careful  Wink
59  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 12:32:44 PM
Energy is free. There are plenty of technologies that can produce practically limitless energy for very little cost (eg. Cold Fusion, Vacume Energy). The only thing is that governments and big corporations have been actively suppressing this technology for their own gain.

I assume by "limitless" you actually mean "more than we human's could ever use" because the idea of unlimited energy breaks a fundamental law of physics called the conservation of energy. Cold fusion has never been achieved in any verified experiments. Vacuume energy, as far as we know, can not be harvested for 'free energy'.
60  Economy / Economics / Re: Wealth is unlimited. on: July 05, 2011, 12:26:45 PM
Depending on how you define it, wealth can be limited or unlimited.

However, natural resources are limited. There is a limited amount of oil, there is a limited amount of land, etc. There is no way that 6+ billion people can each own several km^2 of land, own a mansion and fly across the Earth every other day.

A country's wealth is often measured today as GDP. This itself is a measurement of production and consumption. There is a limit to the amount that can feasibly be produced and consumed which is why the belief that we can have endless growth is stupid. Wealth, if you define it in this way is definitely not unlimited.

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