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41  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Великий бтц-боковик 2022-2023 on: July 27, 2023, 11:48:02 AM
У крипты в целом и у битка, точнее у крупных альтов нет байбека. Есть аналоги у Мейкер, вроде читал что-то об этом. А в целом у топовых альтов байбеков нет. Поэтому и пошло такое различие. Но при крупных траблах даже байбеки могут не спасти. Но байбеки на вершине рынка — это такое себе. Всегда удивлялся нерациональности этого мероприятия. Просто некуда девать бабло.

"Байбеки" Bitcoin - это торговые комиссии бирж и процентная ставка за займы Bitcoin шортистами. Если ты посчитаешь комиссии, которые взяли все спотовые биржи за год, то ты будешь несколько удивлен этими "байбеками", не говоря уже о доходах лендиг продуктов, маржиналки и фьючерсов Grin Чем быстрее вращается эта рулетка - тем больше "байбеков"  Shocked Если эту рулетку раскрутить до 99.9% скорости света, то байбеки будут стремиться к бесконечности, а свободное предложение Bitcoin к нулю  Grin
42  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 09:45:56 AM
P.S. Where is the link to the source of this news and that this is not your invention?

Source

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rfk-jr-confirms-recent-bitcoin-205247519.html
43  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 08:15:01 AM
It's kinda pointless question, we don't know why he chose 2 instead of 1 or 3. But he did the right thing, investing in his kids future, that's for sure.

Let's assume you are not limited in resources. How much would you buy for your children?

I would buy 2.625 bitcoins for each of them. How about you?
44  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 27, 2023, 08:06:33 AM
The painting "Savior of the World" (Salvador Mundi) is sold once every few centuries, but that doesn't mean it has no price and  doesn't mean it has no demand.
So that's in contrast to what you said before. I mean if an organization you are talking about buys bitcoins and doesn't sell them will it make the price go up whereas we see every day there are always sellers and there are always buyers. Don't you see that this opportunity would not be possible if you still believed you would be able to gather 8 million people for the same thought.

A painting is a work of art that will be valuable according to the year it was made. Meanwhile, Bitcoin is digital money which is the easiest option to make payments than fiat in today's modern era.

In essence, a conspiracy will not progress if there is no way to address a big meaning of what they are building.

Bitcoin is a work of math that might be valuable regardless of the year it was mined.
45  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 08:02:03 AM
To be honest with you mate, this argument is very uncalled for, its absolutely not necessary if you ask me, the man decided to buy 2 bitcoin each for each of his kids, what the big deal there? why trying to make an impression over something that absolutely mean nothing?.

I have seen and gone through you previous thread relating to this subject matter, and alot of users have already explained to you why all that you assumed on that thread is not possible and has zero chance of happening, but you are still here arguing..

I could as well ask you why the man did not buy exactly the 2.625 bitcoins as you proclaimed, for each of his kids, that maybe would have given your assumptions some positive tick mark and something to really ponder over.

I didn't ask why he bought. I asked why specifically 2 bitcoins for each of the children.




46  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 27, 2023, 07:22:28 AM
No, that is surely not a good idea. I mean there are already a lot of conspiracy theories regarding our community that revolves around us being a cult or "the new world order", if we start doing this then we are surely just feeding those ideas. Moreover, why make things so complicated? Bitcoin is already doing a massive change in the world, why do we need to apply these changes you are stating, only to make things complicated for us.

You're promoting online casinos. The casino's strategy is very simple. Any casino game, any slot machine, is programmed in a way that the casino's clients have fewer chances of winning than losing. Let's take roulette with a single zero and black/red bets, where the probability of winning is ~48% against ~52% of losing (and on some roulette wheels, there can even be two zeros). Thus, according to the law of large numbers, the casino always wins.

I propose a strategy that gives a ~98% chance of winning and a ~2% chance of losing. However, you still consider this not a very good idea. Perhaps, what hinders your thinking is that you are interested in people losing in your casino and not adopting my strategy for extended winnings.
47  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 27, 2023, 07:05:42 AM
Those who have bitcoins use their bitcoin exchange like money like money goes from one hand to another, bitcoins are transferred from one person to another in case of need in real terms there is no loss of bitcoins or the amount of bitcoins in the market will never decrease. But people don't hold onto their bitcoins like you said. Even if you don't hold on to bitcoins as you planned, we expect bitcoin's value to increase substantially at some point through the transfer of bitcoins from one person to another. Bitcoin is currently increasing its popularity users and value in certain steps. It is estimated that by 2024 the price of Bitcoin will go to a very good state between $50000 to $70000 we can see the price of Bitcoin in 2024.

The total Bitcoin supply on exchange balances less than 1 million Bitcoin. Actually many players still just hold as I say and you can see it.

https://bitinfocharts.com/top-100-richest-bitcoin-addresses.html



48  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 06:52:08 AM
He could buy 0.1 or 1 BTC with same effect. Why he bought exactly 2 BTC  for each kid?

This is actually a very important question, as it allows us to understand how wealthy individuals and politicians think and place their bets.
0.1BTC or 1 does not have the same effect as 2BTC in value and potential ROI. People buy based on how much they can comfortably afford at that time and how much they are willing to spend on a particular investment.

This is not an important question and does not allow you see how wealthy individuals think. You should be asking why he bought bitcoin in the first instance.

- Jay -

But potential ROI from buying 3 or 4 BTC would be greater than from 2 BTC. So why exactly 2?
49  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 27, 2023, 06:46:09 AM
No, there are already too many misinformed people saying that Bitcoin are the "New World Order's" ...One Currency.  Roll Eyes (Conspiracy theory) and also that Bitcoiners are a Cult and they are religious fanatics with Libertarian goals to take over the government.  Roll Eyes

Bitcoin is a technology for EVERYONE ..... not a selected few, with enough money to buy and hoard 2.625 Bitcoins.... and the whole idea behind this technology....are to remove the barrier to entry for poor people to have access to the financial market.  Wink

I don't like to overload chats with formulas, let's consider a simple example.

The Problem of the Three Widows from the Talmud. The solution to this problem was known to ancient Jews for several thousand years. For many centuries, this solution was perceived as a religious dogma.

However, mathematically, this problem was only proven in the 1980s.

The question is as follows: Is the proposed solution to the problem in the Talmud a religion/cult or a strategy?

https://www.coursehero.com/file/ppsi9d/112-Bankruptcy-Figure-116-Three-widows-in-dispute-over-how-the-estate-of-their/
50  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 06:36:12 AM
So, the question is.... Why is it necessary for Robert Kennedy Jr. to advertise to the world that he bought bitcoins for his kids? We know it is election year and that might be the main reason why he is doing this.

Politicians use gimmicks like this to garner votes and "Bitcoin adoption" might be one of his "Pet products" to use in his election campaign. Seeing that Bitcoin is still perceived as a high risk investment... it might not be a good idea to do this before the election.  Roll Eyes

The opposition is doing everything in their power to crush Crypto currency adoption...  Angry

He could buy 0.1 or 1 BTC with same effect. Why he bought exactly 2 BTC  for each kid?

This is actually a very important question, as it allows us to understand how wealthy individuals and politicians think and place their bets.
51  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 27, 2023, 06:32:04 AM
Quote from: franky1

but the total still only totals 19.44m coins not 21m coins

your own scenario was not 8mill coins. nor about 8mill users of less then 2.625. you categorically set the math. so stick to it
it was 8 mill chosen cult members of your believed cultship you want to set up, each holding 2.625btc each which would be 21m

and actually there are many many millions of average users that have CEX accounts. you just wanted to start a religious cult of only 8million people which you want to lead where you call micheal saylor your messiah/prophet

..
why is it that idiots that want to be cult leaders try setting up their dream scenarios but then forget their own messages and start arguing about their own scenario by pretending they never said it even though this very forum is the written proof of their message,

your not the first, you wont be the last. but if you cant even remember your own stance on things, try reading your own post history and other peoples replies. rather then making crap up pretending you didnt say what you opened the topic saying.

if your not happy with your own topic and you dont like the scenario you set. close the topic/lock the topic and start something that is more rational. dont play the idiot that forgot your own topics scenario just to argue your way into hopes of generating a fanbase into a cult of people that agree with you

You take into account the current Bitcoin supply, and I take into account the maximum Bitcoin supply because I have children, and I plan to play this game for several centuries, benefiting my future generations.


52  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 06:21:03 AM
Next time, do not just come to post without given a link that will make people to believe what you are talking about. I read about this few hours ago on Cointelegraph.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/presidential-candidate-rfk-jr-purchased-bitcoin-for-his-children

If people or all wealthy people can buy bitcoin for their kids, it would be good.

I asked a simple question. Do you have any ideas why he bought exactly 2 BTC. But not 1 or 2?



Why do you think Robert Kennedy Jr. bought each child exactly 2 bitcoins, not 1 or 3?
If he bought 3, the question would have been, "why not 2 or 4?".
It has to be a certain number an it just happens to be 2.

- Jay -

The current supply of Bitcoin is 19.44 million. I believe he simply calculated how much Bitcoin one would need to own to be in the top 0.1% if Bitcoin were to replace the global financial system. Yes, today it's a bet of 1.944, and he just rounded it up to 2.
53  Local / Трейдеры / Robert Kennedy Jr. купил каждому из 7 детей 2 BTC! on: July 27, 2023, 06:17:29 AM
Я считаю, что оптимальной ставкой была бы покупка 2.625 Bitcoin. Впрочем ставка в 2 Bitcoin тоже неплоха. Как вы думаете, почему Роберт Кеннеди младший купил каждому из своих семи детей именно 2 Bitcoin, а не 1 или 3?
54  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Robert Kennedy Jr bought each of his 7 kids 2 BTC each! on: July 27, 2023, 06:13:35 AM
The optimal bet would be to buy 2.625 bitcoins. However, a bet of 2 bitcoins is not bad either. Why do you think Robert Kennedy Jr. bought each child exactly 2 bitcoins, not 1 or 3?
55  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 09:24:37 PM
I don't understand your statement, because what would be the difference between Bitcoin onchain and LN?  Aren't they both 2 very similar payment methods?  Isn't LN just instant versus onchain but does it use Bitcoin like onchain for that matter?  So where would the differences be if btc goes up in value?  It's not how you move it but what you move the real meaning, and therefore if it arrives at that value it makes no difference if you don't stick to its equivalent value in dollars.  If it increases dramatically, just send the right amount of sats.

Imagine you have one hundred dollar bill. Why you need establish swap line with FED?

Or another example, IPv4 was developed for ARPANET (campus scale network), but now it works as main Internet protocol. You don't need your own ISP to use Internet. You simply rent a communication channel from ISP. If Bitcoin becomes the basis for the modern global financial system (like Internet became global communication system) then average Joe will not be able to own a bitcoin or even satoshi and have direct access to the modern global financial system. The average Joe will be renting access to payment systems based on Bitcoin or Bitcoin LN or Bitcoin XYZ.

The average Joe don't own apartment, the average Joe rent apartment from landlord.
The average Joe don't own bank, the average Joe rent account from bank.
The average Joe don't own ISP, the average Joe rent communication channel from ISP.
The average Joe will not own Bitcoin, the average Joe will be renting a payment channel and the function "store-of-value" from Order 2.625.

56  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 09:21:19 PM
What necessitates a market is the act of buying and selling for the two works hand-in-hand and in a scenario where there's no seller then the process of buying is frustrated and that's no good market at all as it either mean that there's a problem somewhere. That's why the statement " if there's no seller there's no buyer is a fact and not a hypothesis.

Using this analogy: Just like a tree, the seller is like the root of the tree and the buyer the leaves. Where there's no tree roots there would be no leaves of a tree.

Why you want sell bitcoin on spot to determine price? Buy and sell bitcoin futures to establish the price of bitcoin on the futures market.

https://www.cmegroup.com/tools-information/quikstrike/commitment-of-traders.html

57  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 09:09:30 PM
In all honesty I don't understand why you have to limit yourself to buying Bitcoin and holding it for a long time???  The WP speaks clearly "Bitcoin is a p2p payment system" so why not use it?  Otherwise how do you think this mass adoption will happen?  Definitely not keeping your btc in your wallet and perhaps losing your access keys.

The Bitcoin Lightning Network is already being used for p2p payments. As for Bitcoin network, if BTC/USD price increase to $100 million dollars or even $1 billion, how would you assess the cost of such transactions? Order 2.625 is modern decentralized Fort Knox, but not yet another PayPal.
58  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 08:52:06 PM
YOU are the one shouting about locking up and holding and not selling 21m coins
YOUR math 2.625*8m=21m

there is only 19.44m coins available so far, so YOU are the one calculating a zero trade market as YOUR scenario

I've repeatedly stated that 8 million is an ideal and unattainable result. It is estimated that 5 million bitcoins are permanently lost. In that case, the foundation will be formed by a slightly smaller number of players, but having 2.625 bitcoins each will allow them to achieve ergodicity in case, for example, one or all five of the lost million bitcoins are miraculously found.

Perhaps the number "8 million" confused you, but I used this figure to illustrate that we are still at a very early stage of development in this market. Among all these inflated marketing fictional numbers of 120+ million cryptocurrency exchange users, there are NO only 8 million individuals, each of whom holds 2.625 Bitcoin equivalent to the value of an economy-level sedan.
59  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 08:44:31 PM
People will band together to buy Bitcoin and that was a long time ago when Bitcoin was created by Satoshi. But know, someone or they will not be able to hold it in the long term because they will take profits when the price increase occurs. I think if you want everyone to buy BTC and refrain from selling it then there will be no economic laws in this matter because every day there are those who sell and there are those who buy, so this is the law of the market.

Even some people buy to invest in the long term and some of them buy to trade on the same day so there is always a circulation that occurs at any time. Now the supply of Bitcoin will decrease because many of them may lose their keys and cannot open them again and also as Bitcoin owners who may have left the world so the BTC supply will continue to decrease friends and at the same time the interest of buyers will increase which will make the price of Bitcoin go up on its own  without having to make the effort as you have described.

The painting "Savior of the World" (Salvador Mundi) is sold once every few centuries, but that doesn't mean it has no price and  doesn't mean it has no demand.
60  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin foundation on: July 26, 2023, 08:41:52 PM
ill let you in on a bigger secret
the active price is not determined by the supply.. its determined by the order thats triggered at that very moment which sets the price
no sell=no price=no market


Your theory doesn't even hold up to elementary school level. Well, if your theory is correct, then what are today's oil prices? And what is the price of one carat diamonds? Where that spot exchange with barrels and diamonds in order books?  Grin
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