I started this little 4-5 page debate, just by mentioning some basic strategies, scroll back.
Also, why so feisty? Jeez, I did not think I would offend you so much.
I would like to note that I have my own group, I understand what it is like from both sides.
Just trying to not give some new traders false hope. There are ways to off-set risk. You off-set risk, because there is risk.
I really don't understand the harshness here, did not mean to offend you, oh great sir lol
why no explanation of how the market works mr expert... don't tell me you're just full of shit? |
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So why don't you tell us your own strategy so that we all can pick it apart and blow it to pieces in front of everybody and expose how little you know about how these markets actually work
he doesn't know shit, but just for lulz Ima break open a bag of popped corn  |
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we just have a very different way of trading  |
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lol, remember when his finishing statement was something about btc being a buy and gonna be very interesting sept- dec, hmmmm good call.
That still is the statement Snr.Retard What's interesting to you (novice trader) might not be what ryan is referring to Buy low, sell high.. Do the opposite... ever heard of these phrases? The price of btc is very "interesting" at the moment |
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VIOR just wont stop lol $5000 in three weeks is making me feel like I should do this full time
vior has been fucking awesome man! let's see how far it goes |
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not as much as I question the relevance of your argument. 45k is less than 2e-8% of the population of US (and I probably underestimate the population of the US), but right it is more than 2... I'm not too familiar with the technique of how to debate with an idiot but here's my attempt The bitcoin market is a collection of hundreds of thousands of individuals who each contribute small cash amounts to produce this $16.9 million trading volume The daily trading volume of bitcoin is $16.9 million No matter how small the % is of the entire population, it is a fact that there are several "people" out there that own a single piece of property that is valued at, or much higher, than $16.9 million. (Be aware that the ownership of property is an investment) Making bitcoin, as a tradeable asset, not that much of a factor on a global scale (not saying that it wont be in the future - i hope it will be) Someone can easily invest $16.9million into the stock market, into commodities and into forex without the transaction even being noticed or seen as "a huge investment". But if someone were to put $16.9m into, or take that same amount out of bitcoin there would be pandemonium Forex has a daily trading volume of $5 Trillion, but is easily manipulated everyday by central banks, government officials etc etc etc Bitcoin is nothing when compared to the forex market, so for someone to assume that bitcoin isn't manipulated just because it has $16.9m trading volume is quite ridiculous |
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So, I'm curious.. can you tell me, what will the price of Bitcoin be tomorrow? Or for that matter, just in general, what are your Bitcoin predictions? Bitcoin being big enough that there can be no pumping and dumping, meaning that if you can predict that accurately, it'll be a true prediction. Not a manipulation.
Bro, Forex, the largest financial market in the world, with $5.3 Trillion DAILY volume is manipulated for fun by the central banks, media cartels and by those who run policy for various governments around the world lol people think bitcoin is so huge Forex daily volume: $5.3 TRILLION Bitcoin daily volume: $16.9 million People own houses that are worth more than $16.9 million People... (since when People has became synonym of a few individual ? ) So do you have one that is worth $16.9millions ?  I'm starting to question the average IQ of some of you guys 1 Human = 1 Person 2 Humans = "People" and by the way, America has 45000 citizens worth more than $50 millionThere are "people" that own $100 Million worth of property, let alone just a $16.9 M house that makes Bitcoin, as a tradeable asset, nothing but a blip on the financial radar and very, very easy to pump and dump how does $16.9m daily volume compare with forex's $5 trillion daily volume |
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You can never claim former success as proof on future gains. Why? You have a finite amount of examples in trading, and seems to believe their success are proof of future success, when the future holds an infinity of examples not yet occurred; it's is the latter that will prove you wrong. Your kind of argument was debunked many decades ago. What we might talk about instead is probability. When coming to that concept you right away are discussing sub-100% certainty. What in the hell are you actually trying to say here? You have just repeated the same thing in 5 sentences. Still you ended up making no point and came of sounding like a stumbling fool I think the main thing you missed is that, there are people who lose all the time and there is a reason for that. Their approach to crypto is what causes them to lose. There are people that win all the time and there are also reasons for that. Of course you can manipulate, and / or predict the altcoin market it has a teeny-tiny $1Billion market cap making it a smaller version of the penny stock market. As I am typing this there are people cashing out gains directly due to their manipulation of the market You actually write something interesting in that very context: "Is the market 100% predictable? As sure as I am that the sky is blue, I am certain that price moves can be predetermined before they actually occur". Please understand that I read this in a theoretical way but with mundane examples: Do you live in an area where the sky always is blue? Well, even if you would have 365 blue skies (even at night), you will now and then have a solar eclipse making that sky black. Do you have shit for brains? Ever heard of figure of speech.. "err duhh, whatabout night time... errrm the sky is err, duhh the sky black at nightfall", yeah no shit bro "and sumtime, sumtime der is tohtahl exclipse" what are you? |
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lol...I am going to stop responding because this is silly - I was just saying my opinion, I am not trying to convince you how to trade.
I understand what diversification means, thank you. I do profit, and with this method.
And no, I am not a real doctor lol
The point is, if you are trading, you cannot be 100% certain, there is some level of risk.
What coin would you suggest to those with 1 BTC to invest all of their portfolio in?
I don't take the term "risk" that literally. That word is only used because trading was looked at as gambling back in the day and old school professional gamblers always referred to their pot as their risk. when your trading, the whole point is to eliminate risk and the only way to do that is doing your homework and only betting on the best of the best opportunities if i think i am going to win, my next thought after that will not be to ensure that I am not trading more than 20% of my portfolio (i am not an idiot) my thoughts would be to get as much money in as i can so that i can make the largest amount of profit that is possible and you have proven that you don't know what diversification is because there is no way to diversify with altcoins, yet you keep mentioning "diversification" like some sort of imbecile but never mind.....you keep playing the markets with "only 20%" of your portfolio you rookie i'll be in the deep end of the pool while you pussy foot around in the shallow side with all the other non-winners |
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4. My main point that you do not seem to see, instead you are getting stuck on little details, is that DIVERSIFYING your portfolio is super important, especially in crypto's. If you disagree, then you are not a serious trader. Do yourself a favor man. Just stop responding, your sounding like some washed up retard at this point Diversification is for idiotsPlus I don't think you even fully understand what diversification is. How the hell can you diversify when every altcoin has been cloned from one out of four currencies. Diversification would be buying some stock in the agriculture sector, some in media, some in telecommunications and so on there is no diversification in crypto lol because, fundamentally, every coin is the same..... looks like it is you who isn't a "serious trader". Seriously do you even make money bro? As for my logic behind 20% of portfolio, sometimes I might go more, sometimes less, just a rule of thumb I like to start with.
If you invest 100% of your portfolio in a coin each time, and profit, then move on 100% to a new coin then...please..please PM me lol
But why? Why is 20% a rule of thumb? what is so special about this 20% figure in particular lol... you don't have the answers do you? this theory is total horseshit and I don't invest 100% of my "portfolio" bro I am playing with more than 20 BTC now. It may not be much, but you definately can't fit 20 BTC into one coin. But if I only had 1 to 5 BTC then your damn right I would be investing in one coin that I have done my homework on, because who the hell wants to make 40 trades for some shitty $50 and your forgetting, holding BTC is actually a trade between BTC and USD. So since you keep talking about "portfolios" and "diversification" and other things that you know nothing about........no matter how much BTC you put into a trade it can never be 100% of your portfolio, unless you have put all of your USD into BTC also Also, to your Goldman Sachs statement. Clearly you are not fully aware of how this works. They invest $40 Billion into a market, and you ask are they scared of losing 20% of their portfolio? If it was all actually out of their portfolio 100% yeah sure, they have pros analyzing risk, but mainly, they get OTHER people to invest in their funds and investments as well...they dont put all of the money up themselves - and you think Goldman Sachs puts 100% of their portfolio in anything? NEVER.
You missed the point again doc (im not surprised) (your not a real doctor are you?) (how much did you pay for your degree?) the point is, which kind of lunatic would invest $40 Billion into something that they aren't certain will make them money. That doesn't happen. So if they are dead sure about winning, wouldn't their concern be to put as much money as possible toward their view on the market so that they can reap the biggest reward possible? Ever heard of profit maximization? If there was some rookie trader (like you) ranting and raving because they have surpassed "20%" of their portfolio, he'd probably lose his job and be blackballed by the entire finance industry I'm disappointed in you doc |
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Hi Santa,
Let me explain my thoughts.
Unlike stocks/forex, cryptos have no true, real-world demand. So, based off of news is no way to really invest in a crypto with any true certainty, are your news sources twitter? lol So, using technical analysis to see if a coin is over-sold, is just keeping a status on what the big boys are doing, but its manipulation its not a true market, so the technical analysis, only goes so far.
I like you, so I won't fully expose your ignorance. But sadly, after reading that drivel you just put together i think everyone is now fully aware of your limited insight we all know forex doesn't have any real intrinsic value either, everyone in crypto has watched almost 100 documentaries that explain how fiat currency is a scam based on "preceived value". Whats the difference between monopoly money and a dollar bill? That's what forex is, playing different fiat currency pairs against each other. So that market is driven by pure speculation. Sure there is a demand for fiat currencies, there is also a very similar demand for crypto currencies, just on a smaller scale I don't follow news, that's an idiots game. I search for extending periods of buying so that I can join in and reap the benefits a week or two later Given this, why invest 100% of your portfolio in some coin that can very easily go down 80% or go up 50%...
Why invest anything then if this is how you feel? If this is your stance then you are in the wrong business bud. Putting even $30 of your "portfolio" in "some coin that can very easily go down 80% or go up 50%" is still a risky proposition if this is how you think If you are on the money then the coin you are trading will be at the bottom, or close to the bottom and there are ways to work this out. If you get it right, then you are in the money. Who cares if the coin goes down 20% within a week, if it goes up 400% within a month you can't nickle and dime the market bro Hedging is a very basic strategy that should be used in trading. Off-set risk by investing in another coin. Ideally, the best way to hedge is to find coins that have inverse relationships...since there is no true demand even this is impossible to find. Derivatives in coins are not legit yet either. This is real loopy doc tell me which coins have "inverse" relationships, I would love to know So, what if you invest 100% in a coin that goes down 40%...that loss is huge...but even if you had gone 50/50, one goes down one goes up, then you off-set your risk a little, and in this scenario, which is very common, the hedging paid off. no.. if one goes up and one goes down, YOU MAKE NO MONEY lol anyone who can over complicate the process of making no money at all is special indeed why exactly are you hedging some shitty .2BTC trade I don't get it? What am I missing here? If you want to try to make big bucks (triple your portfolio) overnight, sure try investing 100% of your portfolio see how that goes.
Or..you can really learn how to trade and triple you money in 6 weeks in this market with much less risk, while avoiding major downfalls that will set you back months.
I don't trade to triple or quadruple or any of that rubbish. I trade so that I don't have to trade Anyone who talks more about losing than winning is a mark and has no business telling me how to make money. Imagine you go to a trading seminar to learn how to make money from trading, and the first thing you are told is "put .2 BTC in some coin thatchu like and um, um find another coin that has some sort of inverse relationship that you can hedge with, then after all of this grunt work one coin will go up and the other will go down............ but you make no money" and you still haven't told me what the logic is behind your magical 20% figure lol im still waiting to hear that one |
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Uuumm...no..if you have 1 BTC do NOT invest 100% of in a coin that is "over-sold" - there is no true demand for these markets besides, Bitcoin and maybe...lite or doge I have a problem with a few of the things you said don't invest more than 20% of your portfolio in one coin Where does this 20% figure come from? Out of every number you could have used you settled with 20%? Is this some type of magic number or something? When Goldman Sachs buys $40 Billion worth of oil do you think they are worried about whether or not they are risking "20%" of their "portfolio"? Im just trying to understand the thinking behind this special 20% number never put all of your eggs in one basket. I have found good profits with 1 BTC, from investing .2 BTC in 3 coins I like and saving .4 liquid BTC.
"good profits" is a very subjective statement When i trade I want the biggest bang for my buck so if I am afraid of losing then I don't trade. There is no pussy footing about trying to take smaller bets to compensate for sloppy trading you should only trade when you are dead sure that you are on the heels of a big move and have several indicators confirming your theory. Then you can put on the big money trades and also rake in larger profits The only reason you would pussy foot around and take some pathetic .2 BTC trade is when your fear overpowers your confidence (or lack of) in which case that would mean that you really shouldn't be trading at all If you take 1 BTC and only invest .2 here and there in a bunch of coins that "you like" how is that a more superior strategy than say putting 1 BTC into a coin that you have researched and ran analysis on? I'm interested to hear your theory on this, because A 40% return on 1 BTC is .4 BTC, the same return on .2 is .08 That's like throwing a hand full of gravel at a bird. You will probably kill the bird but only after several failed attempts and you will need a whole lot of gravel and arm strength to do that. But if you throw one humungous stone at that same bird you can kill it with one shot |
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That is an interesting find. Nick has been theorized to be Satoshi for some time now.
Nick IS satoshi I've been saying this for years now |
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This sounds like total BS. Where are the news reports of his arrest? Where are the news reports of his trial? Did they fingerprint him and immediately offer him a plea deal? Where are the indictments of all the people he was selling to/buying from? What department of the government ran the investigation/made the arrest? Arrest records are easy to verify and public record. Did they watch him for 18 months then one day say, "ok, that's enough evidence, let's wrap it up and arrest him"?
Something Awful is getting more clever.
Yeah I call BS! The media making shit up again to drive prices into the ground so that banking interests can get their hands on an ever increasing stash of bitcoins. Total garbage |
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LOL guy posts FUD with fake account then self promotes a post made with his real account LOOL Look at this rococco guys post history he has some perverted obsession with ryan. you need a life fella As for how much money I've made with ryan one word sums it up........... BUNDLES! |
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1 btc is nothing to cry about lol, theres still a bunch of other coins to play with im up 8 btc for the month bro not complaining one bit its getting easier thats for sure and profit is profit..... if you put that 8 btc to work then 16 btc is the next flip. Some people would love to pull 8 btc in 12 days |
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OPAL just keeps on ripping 447% in two days!!! Considering my gains on vior, boom and xst this week... LEGENDARY!!! Another week like this and I may make the switch to full time crypto These last few days have been amazing for me I think i may take the leap with you if this continues  a few more like start, opal and xcash and i'm all set for christmas. Just waiting for ryan to respond my pms to get in for next week |
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If you are still holding doge, you can help ending the downtrend by selling right now, and panic buy when we start going back up.. it should break out any time soon, I think these next days we will see greens all over the place.
I'm thinking along these lines. I have the feeling that a parade of buying is about to break loose and when it does. Everyone with half a brain know to buy doge, ltc and btc at the end of the year |
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I'm intrigued but struggling to understand this at the same time. How would I benefit from using this instead of all the other options that exist out there?
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Dude im not denying anything.
What Ryan is doing is trying to distract viewers from his scammery. To do this he will try and discredit me. Fine I'm discredited in that i have a number of accounts here. Inserting that everyon I know here has them to - not Ryan of course...because hes just s straight up guy. Of course he isn't, and he will have his own accounts. Anyone who believes otherwise are simply stupid.
The fact remains he is a conman/thief completely proven by his actions of:
A: Throwing me out of his chat room for simply saying I wasn't to happy with his service
B: Refusing to give me a refund despite at least five very nice amicable PMs explaining to him why.
He even tried play me with those PM's.
Hes a thief and a scammer - hes not got one ounce of morality or honor in his entire body. He is pure scum
who thinks stealing is fine because its in Crypto. He wont get away with it though.
are you mentally unstable? You used a shill account to con your way into a group to steal picks and passwords and you even tried to use another one of your shill accounts to defend yourself because no one else would. Got busted doing that, then said "so what if I have 40 accounts" you are the scammer "gail" or "chicken45" or whatever it is |
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