According to the official thread, some players are reporting not being paid and others are reporting being paid less than they are owed.

https://www.betcoin.ag/xiao-rakeback-update-thread

It wouldn't surprise me if they cut a deal with Xiao that if he pays back what he stole, he can keep his account/affiliates (even if he's no longer giving them RB). They might be stalling because Xiao hasn't been able to come up with the coin yet. I did notice that they changed their story from "people will be paid out as Xiao's account accrues affiliate money" to "we're going to deposit the funds into your accounts." I can't imagine they would have changed it to the latter unless the money wasn't coming out of their own pockets.

And every time you follow up with disingenuous off-topic comments accusing other people of "blatant lies" when a quick fact check shows otherwise, you are making both your site and their site look like even bigger scams. I sure as hell would never play anywhere advertised by your so-called "Online Gaming Consumer Protection Service" given that you have an obvious financial interest in the sites you shill, and I hope no one else would fall for that bullshit either.

My agenda is to call out scams when I see them.

Your trust rating is well deserved.

So, if I click through the link you're providing in your posts, what is this?

Is that not your referral link?

Regarding Google:


So, if you want Scam alert! to pop up every time someone punches your affiliate site into Google by shilling it in threads like this one, keep it up. Better yet, GTFO.

Edited to break the referral links.

Whoever Xiao maxed out his credit line with probably needs a new pair of underwear right about now. Maybe Betcoin can hook him up with some merch.

Do you really want to be hawking your referral links in a Scam Accusations thread? Because Scam Accusations is what's going to pop up when you Google Bit-Exo or game-protect. If you don't have anything to add to the topic at hand, find a different conversation. [/rant]

Back on topic, I went through and read Betcoin's reasoning for not paying players directly and requiring them to generate rake equivalent to the amount that was stolen to get it back. It's basically "We have a long and distinguished history of screwing our customers (c.f. Gambit), so it's only fair that we screw you all equally." Does that mean the next time one of their slot providers decides they don't want to pay out a jackpot, it's only fair to screw that guy over, too?

Also, this is twice as bad because when Xiao degenned off everyone's rakeback, it just went straight into Betcoin's coffers as rake and gambling losses. So, they are the direct beneficiaries of all the stolen money. It's not so much that Xiao didn't intend to scam (he did that repeatedly by his own admission), he just didn't intend to lose. No wonder they're treating him with kid gloves and saying they're not sure if they're going to perma-ban him because he's done so much good for the site in the past, etc.

When art was repatriated after WWII after being stolen by the Nazis, nobody gave the current owners or museums a dime or asked the original owners to buy back the art at market value. Why? Because it would have been wildly unethical to demand payment to return stolen goods. I don't see how this is any different. The stolen money is in Betcoin's wallet. It's obscene to have a playthrough requirement to get your stolen money back, and unethical for them to keep it in the meantime.

So, how much did Betcoin rake Xiao while he was dicing it all away? Or does being a prop player mean that you get 100% RB on dice as well? If they were raking a non-zero amount, they certainly had incentive to let him keep degenning away other players' RB.

I think that given Betcoin's history of telling people that Xiao was a trusted affiliate, they need to pay the missing RB out of their own pockets and then it's their problem to get it back from Xiao. That's what anyone would do if they wanted people to keep taking them at their word on future matters.

You can't deposit or withdraw in USD, but as of yesterday it was the reason they decreased the rake:
 

Also, every time the krillrolls/freerolls/guarantees decrease in value or disappear altogether, the rising value of BTC is the explanation I hear.

Do you have an ETA on when players will be reimbursed? It's been 6 weeks since your bugfix. If you had paid everyone out 6 weeks ago, it would have cost you ~40% less.

Do you have an ETA for fixing the bug that's causing cash games to be overraked? If a player leaves the table before a hand is complete, that player's contribution to the pot disappears and goes to the house instead of to the winner, which is effectively overraking all cash tables (and depending on the stakes, sometimes by quite a lot) and giving players a disincentive to play ring games.

I appreciate that resources are being deployed to making the website multilingual, but I would like to see some of the more serious issues solved before new, superficial features are added. In the era of Google Translate, I doubt that the lack of a multilingual website is preventing non-English speaking players from using SWC. 

Is there any plan in place to compensate players that lost money as a result of being in overraked hands or an estimate of how many bitcoins have been diverted to the house as a result of this bug?

Looks like they cut back the freerolls again. BTC is at a 2-year high and they're cutting promotions? Fire the marketing department, imo.

I think whoever got Betcoin account e-mails is at it again. Anyone else get this e-mail?

I only skimmed the page, but I think the basic issue is that because Betcoin uses CloudFlare and CloudFlare doesn't use SSL correctly, you will see a little SSL padlock next to the URL when you connect to Betcoin, implying that the connection is secure when in fact it is not. This can be exploited by people phishing for information who might trick you into, say, entering your Betcoin password on a site that looks like Betcoin but isn't.

There's also a problem that unless Betcoin's security team has taken specific steps to remedy the issue, they are probably not encrypting your information between Betcoin and CloudFlare. So, when you type in your password, it is encrypted from your computer to CloudFlare, and then sent as plaintext from CloudFlare to Betcoin, even though it shows a little SSL padlock that most users take to mean that the entire connection is secure end-to-end. Likewise, the data sent from Betcoin to CloudFlare probably isn't encrypted, either.

It does tell you the post contents but doesn't use the same formatting markup as in the original post, which makes it a little confusing to read. Here is an example of an e-mail notification for a post they deleted where StanDMX114 was replying to royalpalm saying that when TwitchySeal had brought up the same status point issue earlier, they deleted his post without addressing the issue.

I've noticed that they've deleted quite a few posts in the last 24 hours or so according to my instant e-mail notifications of new posts. Is it possible to have a thread that mirrors the content of the moderated Betcoin thread that includes all posts, maybe with the posts that they delete highlighted in red? I think it's interesting to see the posts they delete in the context of the original thread.

Betcoin deleted my post from their thread, so I'm reposting it here. Looks like all it takes to "spam" their thread now is a single post.

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I'm rather confused about what constitutes "spamming" the thread. It looks like you quoted two posts made 5 days apart about issues that are pertinent to playing on your site as proof of spamming, and then immediately accuse the OP of dishonesty/lying over what could have been a legitimate misunderstanding?

Could you please explain what you consider "spamming our thread" in more detail? I have always seen "spamming" used in the context of creating a massive amount of irrelevant posts/e-mails in quick succession with the intent of drowning out legitimate conversation, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

If you are concerned about spam in your thread, you may want to consider resizing or eliminating the gigantic images (e.g., the magnifying glass with the bug) that don't add any information to your posts and dilute the content of the thread, because by the time you have scrolled down past the image, you can't see any of the text or posts above the image.

I'm seeing the same error message when I try to log in.

I was able to grind up my 20 free spins into 0.047 BTC and cashed out everything immediately after meeting the playthrough/depo/dox requirements.

Perhaps your points would be clearer if you could dial it back for a minute and drop the sarcasm, conspiracy theories, and personal attacks. You have only succeeded in derailing your own half-baked argument.

The graphs look pretty damning to me. So you're suggesting that after February 13, all the players of this particular game simultaneously switched their playing style to one where they couldn't possibly hit the jackpot? Seems a little far fetched.

If you can't make a cogent point without resorting to ad hominem attacks, you should just stop, because you have already lost the argument.