Y'all heard of VHEMT?  I'm weird so it don't bum me out.  I look at it positively.  I believe negative can inspire positive, no troll.

Hmmm.  It's the little teeny green arrow by the end of the url in index search results now, btw.  So if you 404 you can always go back and try that.  

Here's the Google cached version, notfuzzywarm.  http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BineOLq6v1AJ:bitcoinist.com/foxminers-interview-dual-scam/

I don't know how to wayback stuff and gotta run, so I'll let you do the deed.

The google archive cache is kinda hid for quite a while now but the bitcoinist article might still be there.  I think some other sites might lifted it verbatim too.  Props to themerkle for action.  While site takedowns could be somewhat effective if they could be had consistently, real law enforcement action might be a helpful deterrent.

Looking at ufominers, there's thcservers again...

whois ufominers.com

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   Name Server: NS1.THCSERVERS.COM
   Name Server: NS2.THCSERVERS.COM
   Name Server: NS3.THCSERVERS.COM
   Name Server: NS4.THCSERVERS.COM
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Registry Registrant ID: Not Available From Registry
Registrant Name: Panel Wirez
Registrant Organization: UfoMiner LLC.
Registrant Street: Silmonte #21   
Registrant City: New York
Registrant State/Province: New York
Registrant Postal Code: 411647
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.00167475834
Registrant Phone Ext:
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I think this is unlikely to happen for any cryptocurrency anytime soon.

There's definitely THC involved.

nslookup foxminers.com
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   foxminers.com
Address: 144.217.250.220


nslookup 144.217.250.220

Non-authoritative answer:
220.250.217.144.in-addr.arpa   name = s13-250-220.thcservers.com.

I like that, but I interpret it differently.  In geological times scales Humans just crawled outta the caves 5 seconds ago.  So, general expectations that life should be peaceful and happy always and everyone get along are unrealistic as hell.  We still got a lizard brain part, predator and prey, fight or flight.  Maybe in a few million years evolution will tone that lizard brain part down some if anyone is still alive on this planet by then..  Ignore stuff you can't control, and try to wring a little joy out of life and be productive on stuff you can control somewhat..  Don't read or watch the news, it helps me.

Incoming!  Run exactly as you asked but required prefixing with sudo on Ubuntu.

That's my question too.  Not sure I'd go to that address alone myself though. 

Thanks for the reply.  I'm over it.  I was incapable of researching the background fully here so I should have just watched.  I used to spend a lot of time at a forum where the side game was getting noobs to rage quit.  Hilarious place, but proper ladies didn't much care for it to say the least.

Yeah, I definitely agree with you that the spec sheets are shockingly similar.  I did a comparison of the sheets on this site, lots easier than eye scan..
https://draftable.com/compare/hYFmXGvTJdxh .  Looks like their website said open source chip design, but if the 2015 thing didn't work or as advertised in the first place, there's a pretty strong sign, agreed.  I also noticed they pulled the power supply reference to another doc completely.  Somebody referenced a three year old document and I didn't understand what that meant, because I'd never seen the thing before today.

I've been somewhat involved in another emerging industry since 2008.  It isn't this complex but I did eventually learn it well enough I could smell a fraud or likely flop without full analysis.  The products were initially shitty and expensive, but the vendors\manufacturers did learn after a few years that they needed to do about the same thing, either sell betas at a very reduced rate, or send some out for free to trusted reviewers to build trust in their products.  But, I didn't really have a financial dog in the fight other than an informed consumer. 

So, I suppose I can understand why you guys are being so ... whatever offends you least to this new guy as I have seen my share of presale scams and vanishing funds from startups in other industries too.  I cannot speak this tech language precisely yet, so I've tried to write in higher level terms.  I'll learn it, with or without your help, but I'm just trying to learn more detail.  And I'll contribute on easier pieces that I know for sure while I'm here, as I already have.  I simply wasn't expecting this reception when I'm not the OP.  I saw some of the same stuff about this supposed new product on Google on the 21st I think, and came to check it out here.  The thread was here, I posted.  Sorry, in hindsight I'd likely have asked questions about a known working ASIC.

Perhaps at this level of complexity with the myriad of coins and algorithms and asics and coin features, phillipma has the most common sense solution.  Businesslike requests for demo units, loan, delayed payment, escrows, whatever to trusted guys that can tell for sure if it works from a real live run otherwise maybe just pitch the thread in an unconfirmed likely scam product thread. 

I frequent another forum that has immense power to recover actual unpaid monies through their long affiliation with the industry.  On the order of 350K a year for 15 years, and I believe them because I recovered money myself using their arbitration process.  Different situation, but big forums have power.  I saw that there is something of a scam process here, so the exact thing probably wouldn't work, these were companies that stayed in business, but I think this place could have the power to turn the tables on this kind of stuff and play offense rather than defense.

If that's all you have and no time, try the slow way.  Put what you have in several of the oldest, solidest, most reputable (tough call) coins, and autoinvest what you can afford each payday.  HOLD HOLD HOLD.  I hear a lot of 'it's too late, we missed the single boat to good profit, so I don't bother' from barely informed folks.  The stats I've gathered indicate to me it's still really early and there's much profit to come for a bunch of years unless the sun burns out way early.

I don't want to build or buy either.  I stick with my trading strategies.  As with conventional company stock trading (haha, there's the real scam for most now IMO) I learn as much as I can about the currencies and relationships of other things to what I trade.  That's why I'm here.  I have research on ZEC and what you stated is roughly part of it.  It's a risk AND an opportunity to me.  I mitigate my highest risk on several cryptocurrencies as well trading, I just don't buy or build rigs.  I think they're cool, and I used to build stuff a long time ago, but lost interest in actually doing it when life just got too damn busy.  

Is that the newest bestest brightest Nvidia card that has been discussed briefly in your 4-part rig mega-thread?  I'll take it on your rep that you pretty much know you can build THAT rig, despite a glitch or 5 as sometimes occurs when performing such an activity for the first of 19th time.  My guess is you are a bit concerned about nearly quadrupling (guess from memory) your usual rig investment given the usual obsolescence period of most computing devices and the fact that you aren't in real control of the currency exchange rates.  I recall you mitigate that risk in a couple ways, but 4K isn't pocket change to me either.

Your rough analysis of the Nvidia gpu rig (that you build) vs this Foxminer which is currently vapor seems to mean  it COULD be done, and if the thing isn't a scam you'd roughly double monthly profit using it.  My question to you is this:  Is the sole technical objection here about different transistor sizes, leads, etc between the specs for these chips in the two rigs, in relation to speed of light, moore's law, signal bleed at an ultramicroscopic scale, roughly?

I'm outta time, didn't ignore the s-9 bit.  Maybe more later.

LOL.  Ah no.  I'm not your alleged scammer.  That research and recounting some of my learned life experience ain't hard.  Feel free to waste as much time as you want trying to prove it though.  I understand being completely objective is hard, especially in this particular 'world'.  I've always thought playing devil's advocate is an important tool in decision making.

Seems like Cointelegraph did a much better job of structuring their language as opinion when they don't have proof.  They might still get a C&D too, who knows.

Looks to me like it isn't a McDonalds, it's a strip office\retail\restaurant building: http://imgur.com/Tucu19C

Google the business address, you'll find multiple business listings there.

This appears to be some pitchers of the interior and a couple exterior:
http://www.cityfeet.com/cont/ForLease/LN19161607/15495-Los-Gatos-Boulevard-Los-Gatos-CA-95032

I prefer the Secretary of State for business searches: https://businesssearch.sos.ca.gov/CBS/Detail
http://imgur.com/V7CxRDP

To my knowledge a registered agent doesn't have to work for the company, at least in my state.  Mine doesn't work for my corp.  Generally all that is required is someone who has agreed to accept legal or state document service for the company.  Easier than a notary.  Many use actual companies, accountants, law offices, title services, etc instead rather than a person. Lots of good legal jargonola but it does state that a business entity in Cali can't be it's own registered agent.  Don't know for sure if that applies to an employee of that company, I ran out of giveashit for the night.

I understand the proportion of stated tech advancement better now, thanks to someone who sent me a PM with a much more direct short explanation.  I can't accept it as actual proof that satisfies me either way, though.  I'd appreciate it if you folks didn't disparage me for wanting to investigate more.  I like to get as many verified facts as I can either way before I conclude if decisions I make are likely wise.

Thanks

3- newbie. Let me know what I can do to satisfy you that I'm not a shill or work for the company.  It's hard to prove a negative but you can try to think of something and I'll comply if possible.  I run a forum myself.  Post count on forums is for retarts that live in their parents basements.  

I've been learning and experimenting with Bitcoin and altcoins since 2012.  I have a friend that was in 2 years earlier that helped me come up to speed on the technology, and I'm getting much more involved lately in learning about all the coins, algorithms, 'reward methods', transaction fees, exchange trading, ICO's, contracts, hardware, etc.

I don't register for forums unless I'm going to spend significant time and really wish to post, or they obscure a lot of subforums from google.  I prefer google and a couple other engines for searching threads here.  Better filter options overall.

Don't wanna talk hard core electronic tech with details that I could verify, or converse productively, then I think y'all aren't qualified either, and I'll bow out of this thread.  Mine are just some mildly educated suppositions in a quest for opportunities.  I'm not saying anyone here is wrong at their guess about it being a scam.  I would just like to know why, beyond google maps and the supposed larger transistor size of the chip or whatever.  You know, exact stated facts and why they are wrong.  Y'all are essentially profiling this product due to the large scam prevalence in cryptocurrency dealings.

ETA: Thanks for posting philipma1957.  That's the kind of test I could accept.  Close to scientific method as possible from a person with much documented experience building and running the numbers.

Did you folks read the chip whitepaper and ALL the product info for the one I'm assuming we are discussing, FOXMINERS F48?  I'm assuming that from the tech benchmarks in the OP.  The website states it does has 48 dual ASIC's and has some verbiage that indicates in a general way how they achieved that benchmark result with their software and hardware design.

If it isn't a scam or open sourced, you want them to release their full proprietary design and tank immediately instead of waiting a few years for reverse engineering and then tank?  I'm not going to list all the indicators I see that indicate it might not be a scam.  I've spent enough time on this for now, other things to do.  Read the whitepaper.  https://foxminers.com/FM9800DataSheet_FoxMiners.pdf  A spot of grammar oops here and there but it isn't chinglish to me, nor is their site.  

Making a profit isn't evil or wrong.  No crowdfunding that I saw.  It's a common marketing practice to have a fake introductory discount price but it isn't really illegal.  Don't believe me?  Coke or Pepsi is ALWAYS on sale.

This article is somewhat illuminating.  http://www.eetimes.com/author.asp?doc_id=1321536

I'm not trying to pump this unit, I have no connection to them other than it came up in my Google alert and I read quite a bit of it.  I think they've released a LOT of info on a new chip and it will take a very good EE\chip designer\coder to vet it all for possibility.  Or someone trustworthy enough to get ahold of one and validate with real world results and publish.

I'm not a big player in the cryptocurrency world but I worked for a considerable time in IT security and handling marketing PID, using cryptography, hashing, salts, and a few other goodies I can't remember the names of currently.  I'm primarily a trader but I keep up with cryptocurrency a good bit, just not reading every thread in this gazillion post DB.

I never do presales, not even for a hundred bucks.  I don't fall for scams, cryptocurrency or otherwise.  I won't buy a unit but I may contact the company and see if I can get one in a low risk fashion or talk to someone else who might.

Crapping on new cryptocurrency advances is very popular.  The zillion new 'journalists need something to do.

I keep a fairly low profile on the web on purpose until lately, when I changed my strategy some.  Like many cryptocurrency enthusiasts I value my privacy so I'm not a big forum poster.

3 unicorns for anyone that can assist me in getting a real world test going. 

Study up on /etc/rc.local if that is an available option on your VPS.  Might take a few tries to get your commands and options right for your config, but that's the ticket.  Make sure your machine has L3 cache of a decent amount.  Use a pool regardless, will help you no matter your goal, accumulate or sell periodically.  Especial XMR in my experience, XMR is a helluva intensive algorithm.

If you have 2 meg L3 cache or less allocated you may as well piss in the wind if you don't have a dedicated machine leased. or make a serious monthly financial investment in a badass VPS where your cache and crypto functions built into the processor.  Each XMR thread needs 2 MB by design for max efficiency.  Anything less is a joke.

That said, even if you have low L3 cache (2MB or greater it can be a bit of fun if you enjoy computer slaves.  Never know what the future holds.