And an economist would laugh his fucking ass off.

"Our currently unnamed bitcoin mining chip taped out last October; we (ab)used spare estate on our 28nm SOI MLM test wafers we were
running at ST Microelectronics. Several successful wafer test runs have been conducted since, and as a result, we currently have a limited
number of functional chips that can be supplied for testing and validation."

You posted no proof whatsoever. Yet another manufacturer without smartphone or camera?

Number of scammers on this forum is staggering.

So ... just curious ... 1.5 months later you all do have your batch #1's correct?

... and in case anyone had an uncertainly about why the DHL process is so bad ... Avalon themselves have stated it clearly here:

currently ngzhang's last post in the forum over 5 weeks ago:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=163795.msg1722018#msg1722018

I understand it wont mine ltc. What I said was payment. I might end up getting the eruptor miner instead.

Indeed, they weren't offering refunds until this was posted;

I'm not sure where you live, but in the US it is pretty common to use electricity to heat things.  In fact my house is well above outside air temp due to electric heaters as I sit here today.  And my coffee is warm for the same reason.

You are free to disagree of course.  I don't have a crystal ball, so we'll just have to wait and see on this one.

I will say that I just vastly overpaid for a Block Erupter and would do the same for any other devices which had the potential to distribute hashing power widely since I feel that the 'peer2peer' nature of distributed crypto-currency solutions is what gives them their strength.

Yes. They refunded me my 11.1 BTC within 12 hours of asking for it back.

So you want Bkk to perfect his design without sample chips, so you can use his design to make money?

I figured to purchase a lot from you, but now I highly doubt that I will purchase ANYTHING from you.

Good luck with that mentality.

I don't see it as hostility at all.
But ducks rightly are known as ducks, correct?

Terrahash wants Bkk to do the heavy lifting for them.
Their 2 full orders worth of sample chips won't be going to Bkk.
I find that telling.

Why the concern about what a customer thinks?

I am not compelled to turn away silently from what I consider a shitty deal.

Why are you so concerned for their feelings?

Using electricity to warm up things (be it a house or swimming pool) isn't cost effective at all, and this is why it's not being used.
I don't think that we will see mining chips in something we use everyday and with other purposes, because it doesn't make economical sense to put them there.
I don't agree with your "we don't need low-nm chips because we will use the heat for other things" point of view.

+1 I am awaiting version two of Josh with two clown-nose.

Q. Are you going to design your own PCBs?
A. No, we will be using BkkCoins' Klondike design. We are already in talks with him for a bulk order. But of course, we are still waiting for specs from Avalon, before he can finish the design.

If I wished to give something back to the community, it would not be 'low-nm' mining chips.

I think it would be both cool and effective to have individuals who need heat for one think or another (like a hot water pot or rice cooker) be able to mine and have this class form the backbone of distributed crypto-currency hashing (for those distributed crypto-currencies which use massive hashing as a backing.)

What I would see happening in this case is that people doing mining are not really even thinking much about power.  It is either otherwise wasted, or so small and expense in their personal economics that it is written off.  Large commercial mining operations need to compete against in an areana where they are at a dis-advantage on a major expense.

In that case, it makes more sense to focus on chip packaging designs than on the core fab technology.

You can say that again!

I have my entire computer top and back enclosed with 20 sheets of paper, taped up going to an exhaust pipe which goes to the window. Exhausts at least 80% of the heat, without any fans in the actual tubing.

He banned me again, this time for 7 days, OVER NOTHING!!!  I would love to stomp his throat with my Timberlands... and that's AFTER I knock his ass out!

JAY1337 = PUNK AB!

They have reached the effective "power-limit" of "legal" use within a "home PC". They have no choice now, except to make faster chips that consume less power and dollars. No-one wants to spend $1200 on a single card, or pay $4800 for four, which will cost $5000 a year in power and "extra power-supplies", and air-conditioning, just to use it for playing games. Ok, a few people do.

Well, you better use SSL everywhere you can. Also there is a possibility that someone in your local network (if you are in one) just sniffed unencrypted info in your in/out traffic.

Try using this awesome extension: Https Enywhere for Chrome

what are my kilowatt hours, and how would I calculate that?

mainly curious because I have sold off some of that cluster computer already, but plan to buy more hardware factoring in these variables

Has anyone executed a MtGox withdrawal to bank account? Would you care to share your experience with respect to time (how long did you have to wait) and any additional verification steps demanded by MtGox related to your bank account and identity, for example? Thanks.