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401  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: RUNE+BOB: grosse novità per Bitcoin in arrivo on: March 31, 2024, 01:47:55 PM
Esatto, tanto non è aggratis, il protocollo va pagato, se pensi che sia conveniente spendere quelle fees per una transazione minchiata lo fai se no no, non ci sono pasti gratis.

E un problema che si risolve da solo o si evolve da solo.

Certo questo concetto mi pare veramente affascinante, il fatto che devi pagare se vuoi mettere una stronzata nella blockchain e se sei disposto a pagare va benissimo. Ha senso.
Questo se vogliamo, non picchiatemi, rende il tutto un pochetto democratico, chiunque se vuole, spendendo soldi, se vuole inserisce schifezze nella blockchain.

È sempre stato così. E mi auguro che sempre lo sia.
Oggi magari potrei essere d’accordo nel censurare gli ordinals, ma cosa succederebbe se un domani qualcuno volesse censurare le mie transazioni?
È un gioco pericoloso.
Rimane comunque il fatto che la mempool non è consenso, quindi ognuno ci mette solo le transazioni che vuole.
402  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Matematico Giovanni Santostasi e BTC on: March 30, 2024, 09:52:20 PM
Ecco qui cosa ho partorito:

Giovanni Santostasi - The Bitcoin Power Law Theory

Il materiale è molto, ma anche molto male organizzato.
Spero di riuscie a racapezzarmici un pò di più.

Comunque vorrei farvi umimente notare che molte delle discussioni che avete avuto su questo thread sono già state analizzate e risolte dall'autore.
Quindi io dedicherei un paio d'ore allla lettura di tutto il materiale.
403  Economy / Economics / Giovanni Santostasi - The Bitcoin Power Law Theory on: March 30, 2024, 09:49:01 PM
Everything you wanted to know about The Bitcoin Power Law Theory, but were afraid to ask!
OP post on Bitcointalk.org: The BTC Scaling Law


During the last few weeks, I have been increasingly involved in studying a new model by an astrophysics professor turned neuroscientist, which describes bitcoin according to Power Laws.

Giovanni Santostasi, aka  BTCdragosfera described a model where he explains why Power Laws governing price and other Bitcoin metrics (such as Active addresses and hash rate) are not a random fact but actually the symptoms of something else, namely Bitcoin being "not a common asset but more similar to natural phenomena ruled by universal Power Laws due to recursive, infinite feedback loops fundamental to the system".
Bitcoin is more similar to a city and an organism than a financial asset.

Santostasi first posted his mumblings on Reddit more than 5 years ago:



This post went almost unnoticed: Giovanni set it aside a little bit, focusing on other things, namely his new venture on Neurosciences, but kept working on the idea and finally published the following paper:



The Bitcoin Power Law Theory

If you prefer the video format, hear a video Summary of the Theory:



The material is not very well organized, so I will try to explain the ideas better in this thread.

The Power Law is only the first part of his full BTC model, where it also models a range for bitcoin price and a bubble indicator to detect excessive price movements:



Yes, of course, you have already seen that Rainbow Graph, and actually Trolololo chart is a Power Law chart.

The innovation of Santostasi's article is that Bitcoin is considered a financial system that behaves like a natural system according to well-defined laws. These laws are Power Laws. In this sense, the article is not a "model" about Bitcoin but a coherent "Bitcoin theory."

According to Santostasi:
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In modern science, the term "theory" refers to scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with the scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science. Such theories are described in such a way that scientific tests should be able to provide empirical support for it, or empirical contradiction ("falsify") of it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[1] in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative (which in formal terms is better characterized by the word hypothesis).[2]
(This is from Wikipedia - Ed.)

<...>
It is a full theory because it explains the entire behaviour of Bitcoin. It has several points and explains the interaction of all the on-chain parameters,

it even explains why the bubble exists and why we have a bottom. He makes predictions that make the theory falsifiable.

In science, a model is a representation of an idea, an object or even a process or a system that is used to describe and explain phenomena that cannot be experienced directly. Models are central to what scientists do, both in their research as well as when communicating their explanations.

A model is very similar to a hypothesis, so it is an initial mathematical formula or algorithm to try to replicate some of the behaviour of the subject studied.

A theory is the ultimate way to understand a phenomenon: it is complete in the sense that it tries to explain all the observed behaviour.
In this case, how the on-chain parameters work, how the adoption is growing (via a virus-like mechanism), and how the adoption affects the price (via Metcalfe law).


How the price brings in more miners, how the hash rate is related to price, how the Difficulty Adjustment kicks in and creates an inhibitory loop that creates stability for the system, and so on and on

People do not comprehend it yet: it tells us everything we need to know about Bitcoin, and there is a corollary that even explains the bubbles and their relevance. It can be improved and made better, but it is coherent and complete: it is really a big deal.
(I made some little readjustments to make the sentences more readable)


Introduction: What is a Power Law?

According to Wikipedia:

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In statistics, a Power Law is a functional relationship between two quantities, where a relative change in one quantity results in a relative change in the other quantity proportional to a power of the change, independent of the initial size of those quantities: one quantity varies as a power of another.

Power Laws can be written in the following form:

Y=10^B*(x+S)^A

or:

log(y)=A*log(x+S)+B

A lot of natural, sociological, mathematical, physical, and psychological phenomena follow Power Laws.

The Power Law has a few important features.
  • Scale invariance: Power Laws remain valid when the involved variables change the order of magnitude.
  • Lack of well-defined average value: Power Laws have a median but lack a mean value.
  • Universality: Power Laws with the same exponent produce similar dynamics.

The first property is that a Power Law drawn in a log-log chart, or a chart where both axes are on a logarithmic scale, is a straight line with slope A, B intercept, and S as a shift parameter.

Please note that a straight line in a log-log plot is necessary, but there is insufficient evidence for Power Laws. Determining a Power Law existence only because there is a straight line fitted in a log-log chart is an unsatisfactory approach to the statistical method.

bitcoin price plotted against time
A graph you might have already seen Log bitcoin price, plotted against time
Now both axis are Log, and a linear relationship appears
The previous graph slightly reworked

Please note that those 4 graphs represent the exact same data. The blue line is the same as the red one.
The only difference is visual, and this is best captured by the red line in the log-log chart, which appears to describe the Bitcoin prices.
In reality, the explanatory power is the same in all the graphs, but the linear scale "undervalues" the errors in the first steps of the graph and "overvalues" the errors in the last steps, as the prices have increased four orders of magnitude.

The log-log chart evenly "decompresses" the chart's price and time dimension, and the best-fit function appears to be a straight line.

I made those graphs myself to check the reality of the claimed properties of the log-log chart.

If you want to understand better what Power laws are and why they are so ubiquitous in science, please have a look at the following links:
Geoffrey West: The surprising math of cities and corporations
Why do Power Laws Work so Widely? | Episode 2207 | Closer To Truth


Giovanni Santostasi already published an article answering a few questions and correcting misconceptions about PLT (Power Law Theory):

Common Misconceptions and Fallacies Regarding the Bitcoin Theory of Bitcoin

This is a rendition of the "bitcoin clock" using the Power Laws: the beautiful spiral well represents the soundness of the theory.






Bitcoin Price is not the only variable that has a governing Power Law; addresses and hash rate are also governed by similar laws.



This adds beauty to the model, as we can find a "cross" relationship.
 
There is a beautiful YouTube video about the relationship between these quantities:



Addresses and Prices are tied via a Power Law with something resembling the Metcalfe Law.
HashPower and Price are linked via a Power Law that strongly supports price via Mining Hardware cost.



The major point of this model is that scarcity is not considered anywhere in the model. The PLT doesn't consider S2F relevant for price determination.
Of course, the author soon entered into a disagreement with PlanB:



In this article Giovanni explain why Scarcity doesn't play a role in price determination:

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Scarcity is not what Drives Bitcoin Price

<...>
Here 2 models, the power law model that has zero assumption on scarcity, just based on the observation the price is going up in a predictable manner. Scarcity it is not part of the model at all. The other, S2F where scarcity is the main driver, in fact, it assumes scarcity increases with time. The power law (with no assumption on scarcity) leads to “hurry up and get some BTC now”. As you can see S2F instead says you can get in at any time and still make the same amount of gains, no matter if you joined 10 year ago (for the same amount of 4 years HODLING time) or 10 years from now (again for the same HODLING time). Both investors will make a 10x return over this time. While you notice for the Power Law model it is important to join as soon as possible. So do you see how people use of the scarcity argument leads to illogical conclusions that are not supported by facts?

If you want to deep dive in this, there is a video here:
Why BTC stock-to-flow model based on scarcity is worse than wrong, it is complete nonsense.



Santostasi is not done yet. Firstly he's trying to organise the knowledge scattered over a few articles and X posts.
The first output will be a scientific paper, possibly peer-reviewed, and a more educational book detailing his theory.



Resources:
404  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Matematico Giovanni Santostasi e BTC on: March 30, 2024, 10:38:42 AM
Ragazzi, sto per pubblicare un thread nella sezione internazionale su questo modello.
Avevo già raccolto molto materiale, molto di questo è già qui, ma ovviamente in parte lo “riciclerò”.
Sapete quanto tenga a PlanB, ma questo modello è per lo meno da “approfondire” in senso scientifico.
405  Economy / Services / Re: Fillippone Forum space for Rent [Avatar+ Signature+ Personal Text + Website] on: March 30, 2024, 05:41:28 AM
Forty-ninth week paid.
Thank you again, supreme leader, for your flawless timing.
Supreme Leader, your filthy, moustachioed, lustful Italian acolyte salutes you.


The Queen of Foxes guides us.
The Queen of Foxes teaches us.
The Queen of Foxes protects us.
In your light, we thrive.
In your mercy, we are sheltered.
In your wisdom, we are humbled.
We live only to serve.
Our lives (+wives, + holes) are yours.




I am still late in my replies. I had a lucky night, and I couldn't remember where I was this morning.
406  Local / Trading, analisi e speculazione / Re: { LIVE TREND } analisi del momento on: March 29, 2024, 09:30:55 PM

Sono vicende passate, direi che il lupo perde il pelo ma non il vizio.
Venditore sicuramente... tanto che non si sa nemmeno cosa fa come azienda, ormai è passato in secondo piano.
Non che ci sia nulla di male.
Esattamente tu sai cosa faceva Berkshire Hathaway prima di diventare la compagnia di Warren Buffet?

Beh, credo che l’intento di Michael Saylor sia molto chiaro: vuole trasformare MSTR nella Berkshire Hatawy del Bitcoin.
A quel punto che produca software, tessili o carta, interessa poco a qualcuno…
407  Economy / Economics / Re: MicroStrategy Buys $250M in Bitcoin, Calling the Crypto ‘Superior to Cash’ on: March 29, 2024, 09:07:09 PM
From another angle, I also admire Microstrategy's dedication to accumulating bitcoin. Among the institutional investors, he is the only one I have seen who does that, as if he has no intention of immediately selling the bitcoins that he actually has.

It's not like his fellow institutional investors who have a timeframe when they sell their purchased Bitcoins, but he doesn't seem to have such a timeframe; instead, he just buys the price as long as there is an opportunity, He will take the chances to buy it. To be honest, bitcoin is that precious to him

Let’s say also that Micheal Saylor is “trapped” in his bitcoin investment.
As he stated he would never sell his bitcoin, he is now “obliged” to do so.
In case he sell any coin the consequences for the share price would be catastrophic, as the premium would evaporate almost instantly.
408  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: La prossima ondata on: March 29, 2024, 08:26:40 PM
Io ONDO l’ho comprata ancora tempo fa e manco sapevo a cosa servisse  Roll Eyes
Preso nel 2022 in ICO a $0,055 Grin

La prossima scommessa che ho fatto è Truflation, presa tramite VC, vediamo come andrà quando uscirà sul mercato.

Scusami, puoi spiegare?
Cosa vuol dire “preso tramite VC”?
Hai investito in un VC Venture Capital) che poi ha investito nel token?
Oppure significa che lo hai preso in un funding round A o B, ancora prima della “ICO”?
Mi sono un po' perso.
409  Local / Trading, analisi e speculazione / Re: { LIVE TREND } analisi del momento on: March 29, 2024, 02:46:52 PM
Non c'è da stupirsi... Saylor è già stato sanzionato dalla SEC per scritture contabili irregolari.

Ma non credo si tratti di irregolarità di bilancio.
Se Microstrategy è acquistata perchè è l'unico modo per molti investitori che non possono comprare gli ETF di "allungarsi" su bitcoin, quale è la responsabilità di Micheal Saylor?
Anzi, lui sta facendo molto bene il suo lavoro di "venditore di azioni".
Tra l'altro vende le azioni che "non contano" dato che quelle con 10 voti se le tiene per lui.
410  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forum moderation policy on: March 29, 2024, 01:28:29 PM

So I think yes, reporting these posts is the way to go and all moderators should delete such content, even of the forum rules are "unofficial", and you are totally correct that these messages can harm the forum (but not if they're removed consistently). Such announcements pop up every now and then in (mostly local) sections. I would report them even if they were related in some way to Bitcoin (e.g. someone selling hacked CEX accounts).


I reported the message to moderators (writing in English this time to underline the "global relevance" of the issue).
It was gone in a few hours. Even if I don't know who materially deleted the posts.
Apparently, it was the right thing to do.
Thanks for the feedback.
411  Local / Trading, analisi e speculazione / Re: { LIVE TREND } analisi del momento on: March 29, 2024, 01:25:19 PM
é uscito un report bearish su Microstrategy:





Nulla di particolarmente complicato: se compri Microstrategy stai di fatto comprando Bitcoin al doppio del valore di mercato.
Sulla pubblicazione del report MSTR ha fatto un bel - 15%.
E' indubbio che l'azione sia sopravvalutata, ovvio che il mercato può rimanere irrazionale più a lungo di quanto tu possa rimanere solvente.
Ed il processo di adozione degli ETF non è veloce come molti pensano.

412  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: L'halving è alle porte on: March 29, 2024, 11:45:50 AM


L'uscita dei nuovi S21 ovviamente è stata calcolata proprio per l'halving. Hanno Portato l'efficenza ad un nuovo livello (17w X TH circa il 30% in meno rispetto alla vecchia gen), ora si può dire che stanno facendo degli STRAprofitti, e se BTC manterrà un prezzo superiore ai 40k anche nel bear dopo l'halving sarà comunque profittevole minarlo.

Sono mesi che si vede che l'hashrate sale vertiginosamente.
I miner si stanno atterezzando per l'halving da almeno 9 mesi, anche perchè non è che queste macchine siano in pronta consegna e si deve ragionare su dei "piani di investimento" nelle macchine medesime con il produttore.

Un secondo sintomo di questo è il grafico delle "miner reserves" ovvero di quanto spendono i miner, probabilemnte per elettricità e soprattutto per nuoi ASICS, come detto sopra che sono ai minimi storici.
413  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: La prossima ondata on: March 29, 2024, 11:36:31 AM
Approvato il Nakamoto Upgrade su Stacks.
Seguirà fase di test, con l'introduzione nella mainnet previsto per la seconda metà di maggio

https://stacks.org/nakamoto-upgrade-approved


Guardando i dati, la percentuale di voto è oceanica, ma il numero di votanti è abbastanza ridicolo: 400 votanti da account "stacked". 2,300 da account non stacked.
SIamo numeri ancora microscopici.
Come del resto UNISWAP, anche li, l'ultima proposta è stata votata da poco più di 2,400 account diversi.
We are so early.

414  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Jade DIY hardware wallet on: March 29, 2024, 10:56:41 AM

I am summoning some Jade experts to this post.
I met them In real life, and I am forwarding this post to them.
Hopefully, they will show up (I don't even know if they have accounts here), or I will relay their observations.

EDIT: They told me to contact Blockstream, as they should send a new one.


Thank you very much my friend. You are very helpful.
I will try something tonight and if it fails I will definitely contact Blockstream.

I will try to update the OS to the latest version using the browser. I don't know if I will be able to press anything on the Jade. If yes, then I will have a chance to fix it. If not, then there is no other choice than to contact them.

Yes, this is a good idea.
He tells me to follow this guide:
https://jadefw.blockstream.com/upgrade/fwupgrade.html

My thoughts are: would you relay on a faulty piece of hardware for a critical function as storing your precious coins?
If having a new device shipped to you is not such an hassle, I would avoid using that particular pice of hardware again.
Of course, having fun thinkering is part of the game, but I wouldn’t find it funny having that problem again.

415  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Jade DIY hardware wallet on: March 29, 2024, 10:27:27 AM
Hi guys!

So, my Jade is officially dead, unfortunately!



I think about using the hardware to re-flash the software from Github. Do you think that's possible?

Since this topic is "Jade DIY", I thought it was the best place to ask this question.

I am summoning some Jade experts to this post.
I met them In real life, and I am forwarding this post to them.
Hopefully, they will show up (I don't even know if they have accounts here), or I will relay their observations.


EDIT: They told me to contact Blockstream, as they should send a new one.
416  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: FTX - Sam Bankman-Fried è stato arrestato on: March 29, 2024, 10:09:03 AM


Non voglio dire di aver avuto una soffiata  Grin però peccato non ci fosse stato un contest in cui scommettere Grin



Come no?
https://polymarket.com/event/how-long-will-sbfs-sentence-be/sbf-sentence-less-than-5-years?tid=1711706706180

potevi scommettere e vedere in tempo reale le quote.



fino al giorno prima potevi comprarti la scommessa per 25 centesimi, non male.
é un sito abbastanza divertente, ti permette di avere una "view" su un determinato aspetto.
Poi è chiaro, bisogna anche vedere quanto è grossa la pool della scommessa.
417  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: Update MtGox - esito claim on: March 29, 2024, 09:57:02 AM
non credevo nel progetto

Oh mamma.
Questa qui è davvero grossa.
non credevo nel progetto
Potremmo istituire un thread confessionale, dove si confessano i peccati mortali.
Ciascuno di noi ne ha uno.
Io ad esempio, ho confessato le ragioni per le quali mi sono registrato su questo forum.
Lol, mi hai dato l'idea per un nuovo thread.
418  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: March 29, 2024, 09:38:21 AM
Interrupting Buddy streak.
Where is everyone?
419  Local / Italiano (Italian) / Re: BITCOIN PUMP! on: March 29, 2024, 09:37:13 AM
Ma al di la di mempool space quella grafica del blocco li non è visibile da nessun altra parte, giusto?

Direi di no.
Però al momento il sito è quello più utilizzato per guardare i blocchi.
Direi che comunque il marketing stunt è riuscito, è costato molto poco tra l'altro, viste le basse fees attuali (di fatto l'unico costo è stato il mancato guadagno delle fees del blocco successivo).

Però se qualcuno mi spiega come abbiano fatto ad ordinarle così, sarei grato: pensavo il colore fosse indicativo del costo della transazione, e che fossero ordinate secondo questo criterio...
A me pare comunque geniale.
420  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Help me translate my best posts in your Local Board on: March 29, 2024, 09:29:42 AM
Good day fillippone,

I'm done translating your
Quote
into our local board Pilipinas.

"Maling paniniwala sa "Pag sira ng Bitcoin sa kapaligiran" isang argumento"

Looking forward to have more translations of your content

Please, I don't want to be picky, but use the correct format when submitting a new translation:


This is the only way I can challenge my proverbial laziness and quickly update the OP with the new translation.
Once you have edited the post correctly, I will be more than happy to add the translation in OP
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