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401  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a hot target for criminals and money launderers. on: August 06, 2014, 02:02:49 AM
Bitcoin's concept of anonymity is a hot target for the greedy. Its structure helps criminals do their criminal acts. They can easily participate on illegal transactions without being traced (or a high possibility of not being traced) by the authority. Decentralization also helps them in accomplishing some serious thefts and laundering because nobody has the power to freeze their money unless they're traced by the government. This is just one of the many things why merchants all over the world doesn't accept the idea of using bitcoin into their business. It seems to risky for them to touch knowing that there are many possibilities that they can be victimized by theft and frauds.

Step 1: Company registers with BitPay.

Step 2:  Nothing.  In one step, the company has now avoided any issues with potential fraud, theft, and even price volatility.

Conclusion: "Risk" is a poor reason for a merchant to decide not to use BTC because payment processors like BitPay eliminate the risk.
I generally agree, although I would point out that there's still some risk.  I don't know all of BitPay's terms and conditions (or Coinbase's), but I'm guessing that they can't guarantee the exchange rate if they have technical difficulties.  On the surface, this would seem like a very minor issue that would likely have little impact, even if it happened, as it would likely be short-lived.  However, the greatest chances of having such problems usually occur during times of exceptionally high volume, such as during a crash.
402  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: August 06, 2014, 01:41:03 AM
Essentially said "Uncle" will be rewarded when/if Bitcoin hits $1 trillion capitalization.

There's a realistic chance of it happening but no guarantee yet.  It would be nice to see Dot.com styled money ($7 trillion in the late 1990s) but there's no signs of that happening yet.

Hard to say what's going to happen with crypto currencies.  It's the uncomfortable truth but maybe the concept is good but the deliverance is bad.  Don't forget that Ripple came before Bitcoin and went no where and still hasn't go anywhere (if you took away the 97% premine Ripple is worth very little).  The myspace comparisons could be correct in that Bitcoin could be replaced by an unforeseen alternate which is better at advertising or is more accessible to use.

Yikes, people didn't lose money when myspace lost out to facebook.
There will be a lot of people who will see their dreams dashed if some altcoin emerges as the bitcoin-killer.


The most likely scenario would be that any replacement of BTC by an alt would NOT occur over night.  Accordingly, astute BTC investors will be best served to pay attention to up and coming seemingly competitive alt currencies... accordingly, if BTC investors were to identify an up and coming competitive alt currency, then the BTC investor could hedge his/her bets by transferring over some, if NOT all, of his/her bitcoin investment into the up and coming competitor currency.

With any market, investors bet on probabilities and likely outcomes and sometimes momentum (what everyone else is doing)...

As time has gone by, I've become more and more convinced that bitcoin is here to stay as the main cryptocurrency.  Some of the alt coins are already better in a lot of ways, but they aren't even close to dethroning bitcoin.  If anything, it seems more likely that alt coin improvements will eventually be integrated into bitcoin to make it better.  But of course I could always be wrong. Smiley
403  Economy / Economics / Re: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? on: August 06, 2014, 01:28:49 AM
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So assuming individuals/ companies are only self interested.   Is the market self regulating or should regulations come from govt?  What is the role of govt?   Or are you anarchist?
I am not anarchist, because I recognize private property and I believe the goal of government should be limited to one and only one thing : The monopoly of coercion in order to enforce property rights of its citizens.
Except than that, they should get off the way of the market.

Then who's going to build and maintain things like roads and bridges?  Or create and enforce building codes?  Or create and enforce laws that control pollution?

What do you mean by "self regulation" ?
If you mean that the market will, by itself, route the money to the hand of the smartest company, to the best product, to the best judgement, then yes, it is self regulated.

Do you really believe that if companies were completely free to do whatever they want that the best companies, products, judgement, etc. would be the winners?  That wouldn't be true at all.  The winners would be the biggest cheaters, bullies, seducers, etc.  If you were to take away all regulation, companies would do nothing but play dirty, and all the rich would take away any wealth that the middle class and poor have left.

Bad short term behavior makes money flee on the long term.

This may generally be true, but there are a lot of people that run companies and financial institutions that don't care if their firm crashes and burns tomorrow, as long as they can make a lot of money today.
404  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you really earn more money because you went to college? on: August 06, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
In most cases yes since diploma is needed in applying for a better paying job. But it is not always the case since even you are not a college graduate, you can earn more money by being hardworking, skilled and wise.

There are over supply of college educated kids, MBA and lawyers.

Law of supply and demand will mean wages have to go down for the "elite" due to competition.

The data during recessions shows that the college educated people have low unemployment, and high school graduates have higher unemployment.

Presumably the college educated move to lower jobs, and the less educated people become unemployed.  So keep in mind that competition is a complex phenomenon, and the degree is still worthwhile.

This is a very good point. I graduated in 2009 and a few big law firms in my area went belly up in 2008-2010. For a couple years, I was competing with out-of-work lawyers for shitty legal support work. Go figure. Wink

Sure, going the uneducated route is fine if you have brains, ability and start-up capital. But you may be edged out of the market when you need a job the most.
Passing on a college degree is a gamble.  You can certainly do better than those with college education, but the odds are against you.  Sure, there are some without degrees that have made it big, but they are few and far between.  Even if you have great ideas for businesses, inventions, etc., there are a lot of things that you can learn in college that will help you succeed at your endeavors.

such as?
Things like communications skills, writing skills, a whole host of technical skills, networking with people, and even personal growth can be very beneficial.  Despite getting solid engineering degrees, I probably learned more about myself and other people than the subjects I studied.  I also formed some of the best relationships of my life.  I don't think that would have been possible without being in a setting where I was surrounded solely by other people my own age.
405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SpartanCoin - Cryptocoin for the competitive world. on: August 05, 2014, 06:34:36 AM
The block explorer has been having some issues for the past couple days (http://www.spartancoin.org/blockexplorer/index.php).  Block Count, Difficulty, etc. aren't displayed.  Could someone please take a look when they have a chance?
406  Economy / Economics / Re: Any other ways to store value anonymously? on: August 04, 2014, 06:48:59 AM
OK, so other than Bitcoin and altcoins, the only other anonymous ways of storing value that I can think of are cash and precious metals. Are there any others? Or is it just these three?
How about gift cards?  One could argue, however, that gift cards are similar to cash but often more restrictive.  So they wouldn't be a particularly good way of storing value, but they could work.
407  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflationary national currency, pros and cons on: August 04, 2014, 06:40:41 AM

And of course, you could have inheritance tax so that after a few generations, there is nothing left in the hands of the original descendants.


Wealth should be kept in secret and only the wealth you need to spend in front of the society should be declared as income at the spot. Why? Because there is no way to enforce the opposite. Laws that cannot be enforced reliably should not exist at all. I'm pretty god damn sure the Rothchilds family won't pay shit to the government as inheritance taxes. Why should average Joes do that if the elites do not?

Which country or countries are you talking about?  In the US, I think the estate tax exemption is over $5M.  So unless you own more than $5M in assets when you die, you don't have to worry about it anyway.  Afaik, the point of such a tax is to keep "dynastic" wealth in check.
408  Economy / Economics / Re: "Treasury Securities" vs. US National Debt on: August 04, 2014, 06:29:09 AM
Financing the Debt
Why does the debt sometimes decrease?

The Public Debt Outstanding decreases when there are more redemptions of Treasury securities than there are issues.
How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?

There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:

    You can make a contribution online either by credit card, checking or savings account at Pay.gov
    You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

    Attn Dept G
    Bureau of the Fiscal Service
    P. O. Box 2188
    Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
Wow.  Just wow.  I couldn't believe this so I had to look it up.  They actually get a few million dollars a year in gift money.  Who actually believes this does any good?
409  Economy / Economics / Re: Is 1 bitcoin a decent and good investment? on: August 04, 2014, 12:38:26 AM
1 Bitcoin is not really much at all you should look at other altcoins and reinvest to double or triple your investment. Sadly I made the mistake of blowing all my coins gambling whilst fun you always end up with nothing.
Be very very careful about investing in alt coins.  If you hit one right, you could indeed make a lot more.  But for every alt coin that succeeds at least somewhat, there are many more that utterly fail (both as coins to mine and coins to trade).
410  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a hot target for criminals and money launderers. on: August 03, 2014, 11:18:30 PM
Byrne has long complained about investors using various loopholes in the financial markets to improperly boost profits at the expense of public companies and the overall economy—with Overstock even going so far as to sue some of the biggest names on Wall Street

http://www.wired.com/2014/07/overstock-and-cryptocurrency/

Interesting article.  I'm having a hard time imagining the advantages and disadvantages of cryptosecurities, but I guess there are still a lot of details to be fleshed out.  So I'm really not sure yet what issues it would solve.  But, as he points out, it would eliminate high-frequency trading...at least probably.  I could see someone figuring out a way to do it anyway, but it would probably be very difficult.
411  Economy / Economics / Re: Global Financial Crisis scenarios on: August 03, 2014, 10:12:14 AM
do you think we`ll see something again like 2008? Its been 6 years already ever since that moment.
The 2008 collapse was something that generally happens less then once per lifetime.

The conditions to get the 2008 collapse are all there only bigger : reckless doing, 0% interest rate, government manipulation of markets, heavy regulation; except this time they will probably inflate the USD to make everyone whole so the stock market may not nominally go down
What caused the 2008 collapse was loose lending for houses (this also spilled over into other types of lending as well), we are not seeing that today. A secondary factor that contributed to the 2008 collapse was excess leverage at banks so investors could not determine if they had sufficient capital to survive.

Lose lending was encouraged by the FED and the government with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac

We have exactly the same situation now with very low interests rates that create the bubble, except now it is bigger, the same that were in denied are still in denied because they are participating to the foolish bubble
It does seem like housing may be getting into bubble territory again.  But what's a lot scarier, IMO, is the bubble in US treasuries.  If/when that sucker pops, interest rates will spike, and the US will be screwed.  We've been borrowing many trillions on the assumption that we get to keep financing all that at a couple percent.  If interest rates go up 2-3x or more, the extra drain on tax money or loss of government spending will probably throw us into a nasty recession.
412  Economy / Economics / Re: Solution to poverty - Socialism or Capitalism? on: August 03, 2014, 09:56:07 AM
So assuming individuals/ companies are only self interested.   Is the market self regulating or should regulations come from govt?  What is the role of govt?   Or are you anarchist?
Because companies are self-interested and always trying to maximize profit (usually above all else), they do not self-regulate well in most cases.  This is especially true when short-term results are emphasized over long term and/or the people making the decisions benefit from short-term successes and don't suffer the consequences of poor decisions.  Ideally, financial institutions would look at the risks they take with the idea that too much risk could cause the company to fail, and that that's something that should be avoided at all costs.  But the people running those financial institutions get paid well to take too much risk because it usually pays off well in the short term.  And then when the whole thing comes crashing down, they leave with "golden parachute" plans that guarantee that they'll get paid well, even if they drove the company into the ground.  So there's no way you can let companies regulate themselves.  They have to be regulated.  The government would probably do a better job regulating them if it weren't filled with people that are all buddies of those in charge of the companies.
413  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you really earn more money because you went to college? on: August 03, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
While numerically there may be several states that don't pay $10/hr, most urban states (where the majority of the population of the US resides) is paying well above $8.50.  CA will be $10 minimum statewide in 5 months.  The urban cities pay much higher since cost of living is higher (hence why you see $13 and $15 minimum living wages popping up).

If you do happen to live in one of those places where the minimum is $7.25 it's even easier to buy a house.  My wife live in KY for 3 years and bought a large house for $80K - same house would have cost $500K here in CA.  So even though the wage might be 1/2 as much, housing is insanely cheaper.  Electricity, heating gas and water are cheaper there too.  Only things like gasoline tend to run the same price around the country.

Either way my point is minimum wage can result in a nice nest egg if people discipline themselves like professionals going through 12 years of schooling.
Expenses don't scale linearly.  Houses may be cheaper in places with a smaller minimum wage, but that doesn't make them more affordable for those who are making minimum wage.  Cost of living matters for things besides houses, of course, but those making minimum wage are going to be spending most of their money on food, clothing, gas, etc.
414  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you really earn more money because you went to college? on: August 03, 2014, 09:14:18 AM
In most cases yes since diploma is needed in applying for a better paying job. But it is not always the case since even you are not a college graduate, you can earn more money by being hardworking, skilled and wise.

There are over supply of college educated kids, MBA and lawyers.

Law of supply and demand will mean wages have to go down for the "elite" due to competition.

The data during recessions shows that the college educated people have low unemployment, and high school graduates have higher unemployment.

Presumably the college educated move to lower jobs, and the less educated people become unemployed.  So keep in mind that competition is a complex phenomenon, and the degree is still worthwhile.

This is a very good point. I graduated in 2009 and a few big law firms in my area went belly up in 2008-2010. For a couple years, I was competing with out-of-work lawyers for shitty legal support work. Go figure. Wink

Sure, going the uneducated route is fine if you have brains, ability and start-up capital. But you may be edged out of the market when you need a job the most.
Passing on a college degree is a gamble.  You can certainly do better than those with college education, but the odds are against you.  Sure, there are some without degrees that have made it big, but they are few and far between.  Even if you have great ideas for businesses, inventions, etc., there are a lot of things that you can learn in college that will help you succeed at your endeavors.
415  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a hot target for criminals and money launderers. on: August 03, 2014, 09:02:34 AM
He really didn't get into detail but I'd think having a ledger for anyone to see plays a role as far as transparency is concerned.  I can't seem to find it online or I'd post a link but the program was on Fox and I believe the show is "The Independents".
Ok.  I tried a quick search but couldn't find it either.  I agree that crimes in the financial sector have become systemic.  But that's the problem: they're systemic.  No one in power tries (or wants) to stop them.  Many are ignorant of them, true, but a lot of people do know about them.  The problem is that they can't do anything about it.  Better transparency or not, I think they would still exist.  So if bitcoin becomes as mainstream as other major currencies, I'm not sure how it won't be used for a lot of similar things.  Bitcoin would prevent some types of manipulation, but not all.
416  Economy / Speculation / Re: My theory is proving true once again on: August 03, 2014, 07:18:41 AM
This would only apply if you are assuming that all BTC spent at the new company that accepts BTC are spending coins that they have been holding onto. If they need to buy BTC to spend, then the more people soing so would drive the price up
Could you please explain to me why this would be true?  If people are buying bitcoins to spend immediately, then their net effect on the market is pretty much price neutral.  Someone buys bitcoin and the price ticks up, then they spend it and the merchant sells it, and the price ticks down (if the quantity is large enough).
417  Economy / Speculation / Re: My theory is proving true once again on: August 01, 2014, 10:19:04 PM
Well, looks like the initial short term drop is over? price is creeping up, maybe the retailers are not converting much to fiat now since the initial rush to spend is gone.
If we can hold 600 for a while, then I'd say yes.  Argentina's default a couple days ago may also be playing a role.  Now we just need to break 685....
418  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is a hot target for criminals and money launderers. on: August 01, 2014, 07:00:32 PM
The CEO of Overstock was on the news and he made a comment that really made an impression on me.  It's not a exact quote but basically he said "there will no doubt be crimes taking place Bitcon economy but the amount of crimes we have in our current financial system are far worse and there is no comparison which is the better model".  I butchered the quote but that was the basic point he was trying to make.

People don't get that these crimes are taking place in the fiat market at an alarming rate.  Bitcoin will stop many of these massive crimes from taking place leading to an overall better system.  Saying criminals target Bitcoin is a silly feat tactic.  They target anything of real value and that includes Bitcoin.
I'm not saying I disagree that there are many crimes taking place in our current financial system, but what crimes was he talking about?
419  Other / Off-topic / Re: SOLAR ENERGY ? on: August 01, 2014, 07:08:43 AM
Well, we are going to have to turn somewhere eventually when fossil fuels run out. We also have to evaluate which alternatives are better both for the short and the long term. If we pick the wrong thing, we might just dig ourselves into a bigger hole.
It won't just be one technology.  It will have to be several.  Solar only works well in some places.  Wind only works well in some places.  The same is true of hydro and geothermal.

My personal opinion is that algae will eventually be one of the biggest sources.  Unused land like deserts with lots of sun would be great for growing algae.  It's supposed to be very energy dense (it doesn't take a lot of land to grow a lot of algae under the right conditions; it would be much more efficient that growing corn or other crops for fuel), and you can feed it sewer waste.  As the algae matures, you harvest it and squeeze the lipids out of it, and voila!  You have oil.  I think they're even trying to genetically engineer algae strains to produce end products like diesel fuel.  Cost has been the biggest problem, but time and research keep bringing it down.
420  Economy / Speculation / Re: What Bitcoin Will Be Worth before end of 2014 on: August 01, 2014, 06:58:08 AM
I analysed those price graphs and best conclusion was not price of bitcoin actually rising, but rather price of dollar and general market/economy failure.
At point of $5k per BTC, how much dollars you need to support all those bitcoins? $ 60 billion. How on earth do you even think it is even possible?
Not even in your wildest dreams. My prediction for the end of 2014 is $450- $520. Sorry guys, I'm way too long in this crap, party is over.
I am only guessing- half of "optimists" here are newcomers (February, March? right?) and the other half are guy from late December, who either
lost on bitcoin price swing, shitty mining equipment or failed trading, and try to lure some fresh meat on board to get them into scam and regain lost money.
Prove me wrong. I dare you, I double dare you!


Maybe like 2% max is real supporters who do not have any bitcoins, but support the general idea.



EDIT:

And just to reveal the whole joke about bitcoin:

It will be worth exactly the same.
Question you all wanted to ask: how much you wish it to be pumped in price?

Total market capitalization ($60B with $5k/BTC) is not the amount of money that's been pumped into the market.  It's simply a multiplication of the coin value and coin price, which is useful for little more than comparing with other markets (e.g., market cap of gold, stocks, etc.).  It takes much less to actually move the market.

Also, there are hedge funds out there with hundreds of billions of dollars under management.  If there were enough interest, if a few funds each threw in, say, $10B, you could easily have $60B+ invested in bitcoin.
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