BTCBITCOIN Split this 25 Oct, How you think?

• 1 - Support, why?
• 2 - Not Support, why?

As per the question I would love to know how this community thinks about the upcoming hard fork(again). I am having a lot of doubts on how this goes. It seems that miners, devs or whoever push these types of things and resulting to lesser trust and some people are just happy with the free cash. I would love to hear your insights on what would happen to the price, development, etc. Thanks and have a great day.

I think for bitcoin to be a real currency, government have to accept it first.

So I ask what country do you think will recognize it as a currency?

So many discussions on trading, holding, mining, whats the right one? I can only speak from experience:

1. Mindset - First, you need to be in the mindset that public blockchains will change the world. In the future digital-cryptographic-based assets will be the most sought after of all asset classes. Once you get here, you are no longer frightened by the next negative news story or public condemnation.
(if you don't believe this and can't stick to it, then perhaps this is not the space for you)

2. Start with Bitcoin, it should always be your primary holding. Once you get more comfortable expand into the other well known cryptos (ETH, LTC).

3. Set up a portfolio with at least 50% in BTC, 30% in ETH/LTC and the rest in perhaps 3-5 other cryptos that you believe in and follow. Make sure to do your homework as the risk goes up exponentially as you move down the market cap ladder.

4. Have a long term horizon, 5 years +, if needed trade out of your 3-5 positions back into the top 3 cryptos depending on market conditions, but never leave the market completely.
 
5. Figure out how much money you need to be happy, lets say $120,000 a year. If that's the case then you would need to have $3M equivalent of crypto in order withdraw an upper limit 4% a year. This way you have your cake and eat it too.

6. You can start selling your BTC when 4% of your holdings will give a retirement-like lifestyle, while at the same time staying vested in a top tier asset class. Don't forget about taxes, hold over a year and pay only capital gains.

7. You Win!

I've just been doing my daily crypto news reading and lately i've been seeing all positive news for BTC.

*Goldman Sachs CEO thinking about bitcoin
*Japan accepting more bitcoin in retail and starting more exchanges
*IMF chief says bitcoin and virtual currencies could be the future

So im pretty confident these all contribute to the recent increases in valuation and with the steady growth of bitcoin adoption over time it seems like there is nowhere to go but up.
Do you think now still a good time to invest or has the news already been priced in?

they keep spreading the FUD and keep insisting on foolish things such as China banning bitcoin, China banning mining, ... and manipulate the price while shorting.

you have been told.

https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/911067464796053506

bitcoin cannot replace currency in the world because price is not stable.

currency should be more stable.

you may reply me. currency is not stable also but you should think  

USD currency price is up and down 1-2% in 1 month.

bitcoin price is up and down 20% in 1 month.

what will people think if they just change USD to bitcoin then their money down 10% in 10 minutes?

bitcoin can become stock but cannot become currency

Unlike numbers on a bank account, which represent legal liability of the bank and are backed by the collateral of specified real estate or other debt instrument that a borrower offers as a way for a bank to secure the loan, the numbers on a bitcoin address are completely void of any legal liability since software that creates them is not a legal entity which can have legal rights and obligations.

So basically, people are paying huge amounts of money to get some empty numbers which are then recorded in a public ledger on the internet. If nobody wants to accept these numbers in exchange for dollars, goods or services, they are as useless as a random number that I write on a piece of paper.

On the other hand, since dollars in a bank account are bank's liability, if nobody wants to accept dollars in exchange for goods and services, they will be settled over time through the legal system by transferring real assets from those who have received loans from the bank, since loans are secured by the collateral of specified immovable or movable property and they represent bank's assets. This comes from the fact that obligation to repay the debt would not vanish if nobody wants to accept dollars. Since the borrower received real assets for its dollars, in the absence of dollars the borrower's debt must also be settled by real assets. Alternatively, since dollars that are in circulation were exchanged for goods and services by some borrower and since he is obligated to repay his debt in dollars, if nobody wants to accept dollars the borrower is the one who is forced to accept them in exchange for goods and services otherwise he is unable to settle his obligation to the bank. Besides being backed by borrower's collateral, dollars are also backed by banks' capital and the ability to pay taxes. As we can see, dollars on their own, have real measurable value, just like goods or services.

Bitcoins on the other hand, don't have value on their own, and if nobody wants to accept them in exchange for dollars, goods or services, no legal action can be taken by their 'owners' to get some kind of value out of them. As such, Bitcons are just empty numbers on the internet, which means that people are exchanging real values for literally nothing.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/paypal-ceo-expensive-poor-221202508.html


PayPal CEO Dan Schulman wants to make it easier for people, including those who live outside the financial system, to manage and move their money.

“There’s a saying that it’s expensive to be poor,” Schulman told Yahoo Finance in a recent interview at PayPal’s San Jose, California headquarters. “You want to cash a check, send money to a loved one, get credit, even pay your bills. For those who are outside the financial system — and there are over 70 million adults in the U.S. and over 2 billion people in the world — those basic consumer transactions can be incredibly time-consuming — you stand in line for 30 to 45 minutes — and very expensive.”

While the dollar costs of executing a financial transaction may seem reasonable for most, they can be quite high for those with very little income.

“On average, an underserved consumer spends 10% of their disposable income on unnecessary fees and interest rates,” he added. “So democratizing financial service is basically saying the following: We want managing and moving your money to be a right for all citizens, not just the privileged, or the affluent.[/b]”

Sound familiar?  

What are you guys predicting will happen before/after the next fork?

Bitcoin is not money. Sure it can be used as a form of digital currency, but at its essence, Bitcoin is a private and secure store of value that is protected from inflation, government programs, robbery, etc.

Bitcoin is more like Gold in the sense of how it is hoarded and perceived, only it is far more fungible and transportable.

A different cryptocurrency will eventually become the new form of "money" as we know it.

Just know it won't be Bitcoin - this shits even more valuable.

Well it's already known for this, so why not just amplify it to the point so that we have multiple people trying to split off from the REAL Bitcoin.

Seriously, I don't understand why people are doing this again. Bitcoin Cash didn't work, and won't work. Right now it's just a traded coin. This coin is going to be even more shit then Bitcoin Cash, which crazily enough amassed an insane amount of Market Cap. People have to get on the train that Bitcoin is going to be it, there will be some trading coins but they're never going to be gaining any real usage traction.

Stay with Bitcoin and you'll be fine.

New members please stop applying as I have mentioned in my last posts that I won't be accepting any new participants.The participants who have been accepted before that is if your name is on the spreed-sheet,will be paid by the end of the week after validating  their posts.

I like to ask if there is any correlation between bitcoin and festive seasons. For instance, I understand that during major festive season, just as Christmas is approaching, the exchange rate for paper money especially dollars,euro and pounds exchange for local currency usually increases to the favour of the foreign currencies. So my question is, do that happen that bitcoin also increases in major festive period? Like Christmas....

I've started recently reading A LOT about blockchains and cryptocurrency. Do you really think that this is the technology that will finally disrupt Wall Street?  After China and South Korea banned the ICO's (and cryptocurrency in China) I am still sceptikal. What do you think and how can we achieve it faster?

Because the price of bitcoin is not only speculative, but also objective, it increases as investors increase. To Price retreated to the previous level, it is necessary that there was an event that will significantly reduce the number of users, ie, will get rid of bitcoin. While such events on the horizon can not be seen, the upcoming hardcore does not attract such an event.
Significant drawdowns are possible and will be, but not global level.

Possible or not if bitcoin users increase, china will no longer able to control bitcoin market. i see china market always try to dump the price even other exchange want to the price keep rising.