Seriously, you're mental. This is like playing chess with pigeon, I'm not going to win. You're just going to keep knocking pieces off the board. But seriously, go get yourself checked. You're a religious extremist by all means. You're an actual literalist, which are the worst.

Mate, you're already on the crazy list. Literally, you believe in random shit written in a single fairy tale book nearly 2000 years ago as opposed to the literally thousands of research papers written in the last 50 years.

Earth was a moon of Jupiter possibly as recent as 10,000 years ago. Moving the moon into a planetary configuration caused a lot chaos, earth quakes, "flooding", freezing & heating and an increase in gravity.

To say the Earth was "created" 6,000 years ago isn't too far from what really happened.

Venus was also moved and there's no disputing that its surface is less than 10,000 years old based on the most recent satellite data.

I watched.  For the most part I really liked it.  Although I completely agree with Ken Ham on almost all his points, I really wish he had not made as many references to the Bible, or at least saved it until the end when someone asked if he would ever change his mind or what was the most important thing to him.  To use the Bible as a point of reference is irrelevant to those who do not believe in the Bible.

Also, there was more observational scientific facts that he could have shared for a few topics.  One being that there are some reasons why the stars can appear so far away even though the earth is young (It has to do with Einsteins theory of relativity.  To learn more research Dr. Russel Humphrey's studies in his book "Starlight and Time") and there is evidence in the fossil record of plenty of sea animals that are in areas that would not be expected that can only be explained with a world-wide flood, just for a couple of things. But there is only so much time I guess.  At least the discussion was started.  It really is important to seperate the historical science that cannot be observed from the present day observational and experimental science that we can all agree on.  That was a good point Ken Ham made.

And, for those that watched the debate, what was up with Bill Nye's discussion on fish sex?  I still don't really get the point he was trying to make there completely.  I never have thought much about it though!  

Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for.

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

- Hebrews 11:1-3


The whole point of faith is that it compensates for the need to know how God created the universe. He doesn't tell us how he did. He just says he did.

For all we know the Big Bang could've been him sneezing :p

Just my two satoshis

For god to exist he must be perfect.
He can only create perfect things. (Or else he wouldn't exist because he wouldn't be perfect.)
So my ability to choose to ignore him must be perfect. So it is his wish and has no problem with it.

Or..

God didn't exist in the first place.

You have yet to read my quote. At this point, I think you're straight up trolling. Read this:

Evolution has never been disproven. If it had it would no longer be a theory.
Its not our job to dispriove God. You say he excist. You have to prove it.

Again where is your evidence?

I've no idea if God exists or not. Same as every single person on this planet.

All I can say is, if he does exist, when it's my time to get called into his office, I hope he's got some good excuses ready!

Ehh? Did you read my post or are you too blinkered to bother?

BADecker I just love how you ignored the statement about how you say humanity popped into existance according to our argument (which according to you is impossible) then you ignore the questions of "so god just popped into existence?" as if the statement was never made. Good show my boy.

Religion exists, but it is not real.
Religion is fake.

Secondly, the modern human is at most 50,000 years old, while the universe filled with stars and planets is 13,800,000,000 years old.

Thirdly; the whole god concept did not exist before modern man evolved from the apes.
Or do/did apes also have a god concept???

My statement still holds true regardless of your ideas and opinions. Here, I'll make it easier to understand:

We are no closer to proving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
We are no closer to disproving god than 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.
No evidence exists not in favor of god, same as 1000 years ago. FACT.


You just don't get it do you? Religion/God works because it is a faith.

There's not meant to be any evidence/proof. That's the whole point..

C'mon, I'm not even religious but I still "get" how it operates.

Back in July it was 89 degrees on a friday afternoon the phone rang, I was hot sweating and tired after a long day. i picked up the phone and looked at the caller I.D. it showed the caller as "Unknown" as i do with all calls that aren't listed on my I.D. i quickly hit END it stopped the ringer from making anymore noise.

Later that day i just got back from Wal-Mart, had to pick up some tissue and some cat food for my 3 year old tabby. She gets grumpy when she doesn't get fed just like me. I popped open a can of Whitefish platter for her and sat down at my small kitchen table with a nice cold beer. I'm trying to relax and Slowly recoup after a day at the mill. Tabby finished her meal and ran off no doubt to take a nap on my bed as usual. (Sounds like something i would like to do) The phone rang again and i picked it up once again looking at the I.D.  Once again it showed "Unknown" quick as i seen it i clicked "End" to stop the noise from ruining my afternoon. I sipped my Cold beer and went into the living room and started to watch some T.V.  Switching channels i finally stopped on a gameshow. (You know the kind,Looks simple as hell but you couldn't do it on a dare)

My body jumped as i woke up realizing i had slept through the show and i fell asleep for nearly 45 minutes. I caught my senses and took a sip of beer and the phone rang again. Thinking to myself who could be calling this late at night i once again looked at the I.D. once again it said "Unknown" Hit End and it stopped. Fucking bill collectors calling this late at night. (I Said to myself)

I just about dragged my ass upstairs with no energy i pulled back the blankets and crawled into bed, Tabby right there trying to get under the blankets with me. she never could sleep alone. she always wanted to be close to me. Damn cat!

In the morning, Woke up slightly confused and thought today was payday (Thursday) when in fact it was Wednesday. Made plans to go to the store and get my weekly steak after work then i realized the date when the weather forecaster shit on my parade and announced it was wednesday. I could have choked him if i got my hands on him! He has a lot of balls taking my steak dinner away from me...I smiled when i realized how much i miscalculated what day it was and looking forward to my Medium Rare steak.

My job is unrewarding and i pack aluminum after it has been anodized (basically taking shiny aluminum and making it dull) I pick up piece after piece packing it wrapped i paper and putting into a box 10 hours a day 50 hours a week with no thanks. Wednesday is no different from thursday with the exception of a paycheck on thursday.

wednesday was pretty much routine i'm packing metal and wrapp..(Intterupted)  Police came to the floor came walking over to me asked me if i was David Brown??  I said yes, but i paid my fine last month (referring to my speeding ticket).

the officer didn't budge with his facial expression he said you need to come with us. My mind had started racing as i walked with the officer as to what laws i may have broken......I couldn't think of anything at all!! It was driving me crazy!

We got to the police station and i followed the officer into a small room. My heart started racing as i seen a table with a form on it it in the shape of a person. The room was cold and the smell was indescribable.(smelled like old meat) The officer asked do you have family members? I answered yes! I have a sister why? (My mind was already racing and it wasn't good) The officer said is her name Jessica? Yes Jessica is my sister as tears poured from my eyes.

The officer said We have a person matching your sisters description we need you to I.D. her. My body collapsed and i hit the floor. I woke up and it felt like hours later when it was only seconds later. the officer asked me if i was ok and if i could continue. I almost couldn't answer but i replied yes. The officer pulled back the sheet.....I became sick i started throwing up and fell to my knees. Jessica was laying there on the table with holes in her and she was grey.

Several officers carried me...No, almost dragging my limp body out of the room. My sister laid on the table lifeless. I sat in a chair slumped on the table with a full cup of coffee in front of me that the officers gave me. Questions were being asked and it sounded like a drunken vision nothing made sense...Their words were merging and i couldn't make out the meanings. It seemed like hours of noise. The officers brought me home and i stumbled into the house. I climbed the stairs and crawled into bed. Tabby (like clockwork) crawled into bed with me and for some reason started to rub her face on mine. This was the only comfort i found after this whole ordeal.

In the morning two detectives woke me up with loud knocking on my door. I offered them to come in after they showed their badges and said their names. I never caught their names i was in a zombie state. the detectives began questioning me about a guy named Steve. Yes , i know Steve that is jessicas boyfriend. They asked does he drive a 2012 Ford escort? I said yes it's grey. They then told me that Steve had come home got into an argument with Jessica (According to neighbors and loud arguments) Steve was seen forcing Jessica into the car around 3 P.M. Friday afternoon. They claimed witnesses seen the car speed off. They say they traced Jessicas Cellphones using Celltowers to locate the (Rough) area where the signals where being broadcasted to find the car and Jessicas body in the trunk. They Claim jessicas last 3 phone calls were to your number and they explained that because she was in the trunk of the car the cell phone tower picked up the signals for relay but could not identify the caller.

Jessica had been stabbed over 14 times by her abusive Boyfriend and tried to call me 3 times from the trunk of the car until her phone died.  I love you jessica! I will never ignore another call!

P.S. This is Fiction and this is my material not to be copied Otrkid70