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4021  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BITCOIN TECHNICIANS PLEASE HELP!!!! URGENT" on: September 03, 2012, 11:21:05 AM
I deposited £200 via my bank account to my Mt Gox account. Once it was cleared, I attempted to withdraw it to my wallet. However I created a SEND address from my wallet, not a RECIEVE address, and by accident I used Mt Gox Account to send my £200 of bitcoin to a SEND ADDRESS generated by my wallet.
As has been pointed out, this statement makes no sense. You cannot possibly have simply "created" a "send" address in your wallet. All addresses generated by your wallet are receiving addresses; a sending address can only appear in your wallet if you obtained it from somewhere else. Please tell us, step by step, exactly what you did to obtain the address you gave to Mt. Gox. At this point, it's not at all clear whether you really sent your coins to somebody else, or whether you only think you did and the problem is actually something completely different.
4022  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie questions that need anwsering and discussion on: September 03, 2012, 09:40:36 AM
ok first off right off the back my bitwallet is taking forever and a-half to "load godamn blocks"

1. what are these blocks its loading,what do they do and what is there porpuse, how much space are they taking up on my comp and do i have to do this everytime i open up my wallet?
Blocks are groups of transactions which have processed by miners. This process requires a huge amount of computer power, making it extremely difficult to produce a "fake" block with different transactions. Essentially, once a transaction appears in a block it is almost impossible to reverse or alter it after the fact. Blocks are linked in a structure known as the blockchain, and each block includes data from the previous block in the chain, so that removing or replacing any particular block invalidates all the blocks that came after it, making it almost impossible to alter a block after additional blocks have been mined after it. The blockchain is fundamental to the security of Bitcoin and is the reason why Bitcoin transactions cannot be easily reversed.

The blockchain is currently about 2.75 GB in size and growing by the minute as new blocks are mined. However, you only need to download the whole thing once: when you run Bitcoin, the client will download only the blocks you don't already have and add them its copy of the blockchain, instead of redownloading the whole thing from scratch every time.

2.i use to have a bitcoin 24 account but found it was far to complicated, is it easier to purchase bitcoins with a debate card with bitcoinwallat?
Due to the risk of friendly fraud, very few people will accept debit/credit cards when selling bitcoins.

3.i have a HP vista dual core, nvidia 4500 series graphic card and a decent laptop with specs idk, how many bitcoins could i mine per/hoour (x.xxxx)?
About BTC0.0005 per hour, give or take. Nvidia cards are pretty much worthless for mining.

4.whats a good service people manly do to get a little bit of bit coin with minimal effort i already know of the free bitcoin and have made 0.5 so far which isnt bad considering ive been workin for maby 6 hours?
As with anything of value, the only way to obtain bitcoins is to either buy them or earn them. There are no ways to get significant quantities of bitcoins for free without effort.
4023  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Libertarianism sucks. on: September 03, 2012, 07:44:08 AM
Yes it does, in many ways, but not for the reasons you detailed above.
Good job defeating that straw-man though. I'm sure it was hard work.
You're not familiar with Poe's Law, are you?
4024  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Where do you store your wallet.dat? on: September 02, 2012, 11:17:38 PM
GPG encrypted (TrueCrypt isn't really meant for single files), on an external hard drive, several flash drives, my camera, my dumbphone, my email account, and a good old-fashioned 3.5" DS/HD floppy disk. These devices are all stored in various physical locations. I'm not taking any chances.
4025  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: double spend while gambling in satoshiDice on: September 01, 2012, 08:43:55 AM
The two transactions are almost exact duplicates of each other (identical inputs and outputs), and were sent within minutes of each other. Looks like your client somehow glitched and sent the same transaction twice. The first transaction has been confirmed, and SatoshiDice has already paid out on it,
so you should have two confirmed transactions in your wallet: one for -BTC3.005 and one for +BTC4.012196. If that's the case, you've got absolutely nothing to worry about. However, if you have an extra -BTC3.005 transaction which is unconfirmed, you will need to remove this transaction from your wallet (exactly how to do this will depend on what client you're using).

Note that since both transactions have identical inputs, and one of them has been confirmed, none of the coins still in your wallet are affected, however you shouldn't try moving your entire balance to another wallet, as the extra transaction may be causing your client to display an incorrect balance. Please tell us what client you're using, and exactly what transactions are appearing in it.
4026  Other / Off-topic / Re: If a guy robs a bank, and I know where the money is... on: September 01, 2012, 02:40:39 AM
Under US law, you're not obligated to report a damn thing, and have the right to perform your best Sergeant Schultz impression if anyone asks.

4027  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens once all Bitcoins are created? on: August 31, 2012, 11:14:26 PM
(1) Do you know how markets work? A thing is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
You can't seriously be asking what will happen to the value of bitcoin when a particular event happens after people have already stopped using it and aren't ever going to use it. If nobody uses Bitcoin, its value is zero, regardless of all other factors. Bitcoin has value only because people are, in fact, using it right now. Some are using it to buy things and some are using it as a speculative investment, but it doesn't matter what they're using it for; as long as Bitcoin is useful for something, it has value.

D'oh! Seriously dude! Goto(1)
Seriously dude? Removing my response to your question from your quote, then claiming I haven't answered it?

Do you know how markets work? A thing is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
Yes. And why are people willing to pay for things? Because they want to use it for something!

At first I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you were ignorant or grossly misinformed about basic economics, but now I'm convinced I'm being trolled. But just in case, I'll reiterate the point you seem to be missing.

If someone is willing to pay 50$ for my poo then my poo is worth 50$.
Nobody's going to pay anything for your poo unless they want to use it for something (organic fertiliser, or whatever). And they're not going to pay $50 for it unless they believe the thing they're planning to use it for is worth that amount.

This will be my last post on this subject unless you can come up with something resembling a rational argument.
4028  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens once all Bitcoins are created? on: August 31, 2012, 02:05:27 AM
Remember the dot-com bubble? Remember e.g. InfoSpace? In March 2000 this stock reached a price $1,305 per share, but by April 2001 its price had crashed down to $22 a share.
According to your logic: People were paying over $1,305 per share for something that they're not actually planning on ever using. That makes perfect sense.
I may be going out on a limb here, but it's entirely possible that at least some of the people who payed $1,305 for a share of InfoSpace did in fact plan on using these shares to receive the huge dividends that these new Internet companies seemed to be promising. Of course, the huge dividends never materialised, but that's the risk investors take when investing in highly speculative ventures. Most people who invest money in a thing do so with the intention of using that investment to make even more money.

The people who bought overpriced tulips planned to use their tulips to make a profit by selling them to greater fools. Not the most sensible use for tulips, and certainly not sustainable, as they found out the hard way, but it is a use nonetheless.

Do you know how markets work? A thing is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.
Yes. And why are people willing to pay for things? Because they want to use it for something!

You can't seriously be asking what will happen to the value of bitcoin when a particular event happens after people have already stopped using it and aren't ever going to use it. If nobody uses Bitcoin, its value is zero, regardless of all other factors. Bitcoin has value only because people are, in fact, using it right now. Some are using it to buy things and some are using it as a speculative investment, but it doesn't matter what they're using it for; as long as Bitcoin is useful for something, it has value.
4029  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens once all Bitcoins are created? on: August 30, 2012, 07:20:14 PM
(1) Assuming Bitcoins are widely used by then, there will be lots of trades - and lots of transaction fees.
... or ...
(2) Assuming no one will use Bitcoins, there will be no transaction fees.

I'll bet on option 2
Since bitcoins are not backed by anything, they have value solely because they are useful for certain things. If nobody's using bitcoins, they'll be worthless anyway, regardless of how many are being created.

Just because there are places where Bitcoins could be spent does not mean people do use them.
Right. People are paying over $10 for something that they're not actually planning on ever using. That makes perfect sense. Roll Eyes

The places you mentioned are more or less exotic (e.g. a book store for "Document preparing the common competition in french politics sciences" hrmmmm ...). Once I can bay a toaster on Amazon using Bitcoins I will be convinced. And happy Wink
You can buy an Amazon gift card with bitcoins. Are you happy now?
4030  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens once all Bitcoins are created? on: August 30, 2012, 10:05:13 AM
What will happen to Bitcoins, or more specific, to the price of a Bitcoin, once all 21 million are created?
At the exact moment the block reward drops to zero (around the year 2140), absolutely nothing will happen, since by that time the block subsidy will have already been an insignificant fraction of mining rewards for well over a hundred years. Instead, mining rewards will come from transaction fees. Part of the reason for the gradual reduction in the block subsidy is to avoid any craziness happening when it disappears completely.

(1) At the moment we all talk about miners, GPUs, ASCIS, bulletin boards are filled with discussions. But once no new BTC are mined, will the price drop to 0? Because no one cares about BTC any more?
Why would no one care about Bitcoin when the block subsidy drops to zero (after it's already been insignificant for over a hundred years)? That doesn't make any sense.

(2) BTC is meant to be a currency, right? But can I buy beer with it? Or a notebook? Book a flight? It seems all people do at the moment is trade it on MtGox, etc. - but they don't buy goods. No?
There are already many places where you can spend your bitcoins, and the number of places that accept bitcoins is likely to continue increasing in the future as Bitcoin becomes more widely known.
4031  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Malicious Bitcoin Address Rewrites on: August 30, 2012, 08:35:09 AM
The same logic for the paypal email, the bank account...
...implies that PayPal sucks (as if we didn't already know that) and that if your bank sends you sensitive information in emails or allows online banking without HTTPS, then there is something dreadfully wrong with their security and you should withdraw all your money immediately and take it somewhere else... before someone else does. Wink

In theory, every Bitcoin address received should be encrypted. However, in practice, this probably isn't going to happen. Just as an example, a lot of the sites here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Donation-accepting_organizations_and_projects have their donation Bitcoin address on an unencrypted web page. If I tried to send a large donation to one of those sites, the Bitcoin address could fairly easily be rewritten upon page load.
You mean signed, not encrypted, but otherwise you are correct. Of course, it's not necessary to use HTTPS for this - GPG and Web of Trust works too, assuming people are diligent about verifying signatures. Though obviously you shouldn't sign your Bitcoin address with itself and think you've done something useful...

No, transactions are signed with the private key of the sending address.  This can be verified using the public key, ie the sender's address.  Any alteration to the plain text would make the signature verification fail.  This is standard public key cryptography.

Public key cryptography means that one address can send a message aka a transaction out to the network and everybody can verify that the message has not been altered.  So a man in the middle attack could only stop the transaction from being sent out in the network by blocking it (or altering it so it would be rejected and never get in a block).  Just changing the sent to address is not possible.
Please re-read the original post. This question has nothing to do with modifying Bitcoin transactions, it is about modifying Bitcoin addresses as they appear on a webpage, before a transaction is made in order to trick users into sending coins to the attacker's address.
4032  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Malicious Bitcoin Address Rewrites on: August 30, 2012, 08:13:51 AM
This problem isn't limited to Bitcoin, and applies to any kind of financial transaction conducted over an insecure channel, which is exactly why you're supposed to always use HTTPS for financial transactions. I thought everyone knew that already?

I think every message is signed with the private key. You can not modify it.
True, you cannot modify a transaction after it has been sent, but the question is about changing a bitcoin address as it appears on, eg, a store's webpage, in order to trick users into sending coins to the wrong address.
4033  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-08-29 rt.com - Bitcoin ponzi scheme – investors lose $5 million USD in onli on: August 30, 2012, 06:38:41 AM
I don't think pirate was very clever. Just that his investors were not.
4034  Other / Off-topic / Re: 'scuse me on: August 28, 2012, 08:41:32 AM
I lol'd. And I rarely admit that. Coincomm, if you're going to Hell, I know a great bar on the outskirts of Dis. We should meet for drinks some time. Grin
4035  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New Newbie started to mine on: August 28, 2012, 07:08:35 AM
Dedeicated asics will destroy the bitcoin. Im sure about that. If it's true the value will drop like a brick from my appartment. There will be too much coins in a short period of time. They raise the dificulty and all the "normal gpu minders" (about 98% of the minders) will quit. The network of mining will than become in hands of only a few big players. I think this is not the meaning of the bitcoin? They will change something to make the asic miners become less good.
That's what they said about GPU mining, and nothing of the sort ever happened. A bunch of people still mining with CPUs complained, but nobody cared, and now nobody uses CPUs for mining anymore, and still nobody cares. It's not clear what you mean by mining being "in the hands of only a few big players". Are you suggesting that only a few people will actually buy ASICs, despite being orders of magnitude cheaper than equivalent GPU or FPGA rigs? Or do you mean that with only one company producing ASICs, that company might put some kind of backdoor in their products to pull off a 51% attack (or some other kind of attack)? The latter is impossible for two reasons: First, miners are in total control of their own hardware, and since all mining operations are completely verifiable it would be impossible for the hardware to alter the blocks being mined in any way without being immediately detected. Second, BFL isn't at all likely to remain the only ASIC manufacturer in existence: as soon as other IC manufacturers see how much money BFL is making, they'll start designing their own bitcoin mining ASICs right away.

Also, the purpose of mining (which is often misunderstood) is to protect the network. Back when CPU mining was the only thing around, anyone with a botnet had a decent chance of pulling off a 51% attack, since many of the zombie computers would be more than capable of substantial mining. Now that more specialised equipment is required, it is becoming less and less likely that a successful attack can be made using conventional hardware. ASICs only adds to this security, and this is good.

In any case, ASIC mining cannot be prevented. For any concievable algorithm that can be executed by a CPU, it is possible to construct an ASIC that can execute the same algorithm more efficiently, since a CPU, unlike an ASIC, must necessarily have the resources and capacity to do other things than what it is doing at the moment. ASICs will be developed for any cryptocurrency that becomes valuable enough to be worth the R&D costs. Nothing other than worthlessness can prevent it.

TL;DR: ASIC mining is not likely to produce mining "monopolies", it increases the security of the network, it is a Good Thing, and even if it weren't, it cannot be prevented.
4036  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Setting up bitcoind -- old version? on: August 27, 2012, 07:06:20 PM
Is bitcoin on debian that far behind the main release of bitcoin, or is it just that bitcoind by itself is at a different version number than bitcoin-qt?
No and no. Debian stable (squeeze), by definition, doesn't have the latest versions of anything. Debian unstable (sid) has bitcoind 0.6.2 for amd64, and bitcoind 0.6.0 for i386.

If you want to install the very latest version of Bitcoin (currently 0.6.3, though 0.7 is going to be released soon), download the tarball from bitcoin.org.
4037  Other / Meta / Re: Be Reasonable. Please! Or About Logical Fallacies. on: August 27, 2012, 07:40:12 AM
what category the "go .... yourself" argument belongs to?
That's a command, not an argument. The arguments (if any) accompanying such a command are usually fallacious (but not always - there are more than a few members of this forum who enjoy hurling abuse and sound logic in equal measure, which is always entertaining to watch).
4038  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: HDD crash - wallet recovery on: August 27, 2012, 06:19:47 AM
I'm backing up my encrypted wallet on dropbox, but I don't really trust them with my money. Is an encrypted wallet (default encryption with password in Satoshi client) safe enough to put on Dropbox or should I really add another layer of encryption, like Truecrypt?

Wallet encryption usess AES-256 in CBC mode, which is safe, but remember that only the private keys are encrypted. Everything else, such as your balance, addresses, address book, transactions, etc. is completely unprotected, so you definitely want another layer of encryption if you're concerned about privacy. The default encryption is only designed to stop people from stealing your money, nothing else.
4039  Other / Meta / Re: Be Reasonable. Please! Or About Logical Fallacies. on: August 27, 2012, 02:23:16 AM
Argumentum ad hominem:
  attacking opponents personally and on various unrelated matters, like their own businesses, bets they have or not have placed etc...
I'd just like to point out that a personal attack is only argumentum ad hominem when it is used as the premise of an argument. e.g. "You are an idiot, therefore you are wrong" is an ad hominem argument, but "You are wrong, therefore you are an idiot" is not an ad hominem argument (though it is still abusive). This is one of those things that just irritates me when people get it wrong.

I agree on all other points though.
4040  Economy / Economics / Re: How to stabilize the Bitcoin price. on: August 26, 2012, 06:32:51 AM
Pretty genius if you ask me. We should also buy bitcoins in units of 0.1 USD. What's a dime these days anyway? Helps with perception.
Yup. Perception is everything. That's how I became a multi-millionaire overnight by accounting in cents instead of dollars. Genius, right? But now it seems like everything costs 100 times as much as it used to. Being a millionaire isn't quite what I was hoping for. Sad
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