Might as well specify the cup or league,would end up confusing. Here is my offer for now.

I would take Spurs to finish above Chelsea for 3/1. Since Chelsea are rated 3rd favourite to win title, seems good value for whoever wants that.

2mbtc, any takers?

I'd be willing to bet all my BTC and the shirt off my back that price would be higher than today in 5 years, but that doesn't mean I'd promise anyone that's true. Past performance isn't a guarantee of future performance and all that.

I still think the best advice isn't to buy, but to do what's practical and safe for your surely unique situation.

And if the person's set on buying, the best advice is DCA. No one has the time or skill outside of regular life/work to time bear buys.

Yeah but that's kinda my whole point in pointing out the oxymoron in OP. You can't be talking about first timers if they're referring to people who've "been in crypto for a long time".

I'm not dismissing how it can be for first timers. I'm saying you're 100% a newcomer if this is your first =)

Witnessing a bear market is a matter of time. Bleeding from it is an initiation rite

Hey, we're all entitled to our feelings, OP. And I always say, if no one's selling, then no one's able to buy, and then we don't have a market, and then we're all in trouble.

Exercise the freedom that's yours. Sell your BTC if that's how you feel, buy more if you want to. The market thanks you for your participation.

I hope so, I truly do. Always respected their style of play, philosophy, or rather, Wenger's ones anyway. Have been a bit disappointed in them for being lightweights (they've always kind of been post Invincibles but still so entertaining you forgive them) but they're usually such a joy to play against, if not mistaken Liverpool-Arsenal are the highest scoring fixtures in the past 10/20 years, and it's just because both love football against each other.

Would love to see Spurs do another City double =D

Chelsea looked dangerously bad tail end of last season and yeah, Sterling and others, doesn't really impress me at all.

Indeed! Probably silly of me and I'm normally not even really moved by the market but I guess this time around feels a lot different with everything else going on around the economy, maybe just feeling the reality pinching in on everything not even Bitcoin related -- but it was pretty good for the confidence to see that performance after worse-than-expected news.

I'll breathe much easier if we see a repeat behaviour after today's news (and I'm actually hoping for a bigger than expected rate bump to test this behaviour).

Seems like we have a new resident knowledge-spewing guy in igehhh haha, well, I prefer when this thread has more character, almost at whatever the cost heh heh. Keep it up, but don't take it too personally Harkorede, I've been schooled on this thread perhaps by two guys too about Liverpool (no kidding) and it's cool. One isn't even playing in the pool boo, or at least never responded when I asked.

cryptofrka I amen all you say about coaches that make their teams punch above their weight. It's less about the amount of money you spend but what you got out of it.

I don't think anyone has ever said Chelsea or City's teams overperformed.

Spurs of Poch, Liverpool of Klopp, even of Rafa and Houllier, Arsenal of Wenger, plenty of times. Overperformers and always punching above their weight. Liverpool only got out of that stigma in the last season.

I look back on my old thoughts about Arsenal and warned them whining fans that they'd long for Wenger back.

Yeah! ^ Nice call on the pre-season specials. Wonder if they'll let me take a quad special again on Liverpool (requested but never came through).

They should do a quad special for Liverpool, Treble special, UCL winners special, FA winners special Arsenal (and they ARE specialists), Europe  League special on Southampton, I could go on all day haha.

Hmm, me too, and I'm almost 100% certain the massive botnet uncovered years ago had hundreds of millions of devices infected, even the one in the news last month had millions.

A dollar a month is a lot! There are those manual botnets (forget what they're called but it's a sweatshop running 100s of mobile phones literally taped to a wall) collecting cents a day and it's apparently still profitable.

Hey everyone reading this thread!

There will soon be a Champions League predictor pool and I'm inviting everyone to play -- the Group Stage proper begins in September so there's still time.

It's a no-brainer: pick scores for every game, the closer your prediction's accuracy, the more points you get, hosted on Superbru. Almost every major pool on this forum uses Superbru, and prizes are going to be pretty special (read that as a lot of BTC).

Small fee to play, so don't want to hear any excuses. I'll share a link when the pool's thread is ready =)

^ I wanted to check in to see if you'd confirm what I thought happened (am travelling and am on a low-fi device) and nice to see we finally carried over.

Only small thing now is the scenario I questioned as well -- if we went right back into oversold territory, and it's a really tricky 3 days now of economic indicators coming out from US. They have had visible impact at least in short term on BTC, but there is some hope after last week's immediate strength even after bad news (CPI) that this week might not even register a dent. Let's see!

@Trofo yeah I managed to feel the hottest days -- and if you can believe me I actually left to go to an even hotter part of the world, but will eventually end up in all-day/night long hot in Southeast Asia but here the heat is much more regulated (I don't know how else to explain it) and I am used to that. Europe heatwave is a little different, my body says mainly because it is cold 99% of the time and then suddenly not.

I'm all for delaying for player welfare, hope it's not empty talk.

@casperBGD yeah I noticed Belgian games already, those guys are always trying to get their own drama going before the rest of real football takes over

Well, look forward to seeing those insights in the Premier League pool then

Me my "insights" are nothing you can't find on your own, they tend to be on longshot bets, and almost always purely based on value (likelihood vs odds).

This Brokelona club will be liquidated within the next five years; they are selling their future in order to remain relevant in the transfer market; they have ruined our transfer market; I despise this club now.
[/quote]

Much as I prefer that not to happen, perhaps it will take a catastrophe like this to wake the rest of the clubs up. But we said that about Chelsea (instant money) and Real (Galacticos) almost 20 years ago... they set a trend that kept on going.

Yeah I definitely see this happening, Arsenal pipping Chelski because yes they seem to have bought more than the Blues, but they appear to have bought smarter too, at least to me.

I am sure they are not yet finished with transfers, and new coach is making a small Dutch colony bringing best players he could from Eredivisie.
Worst thing about Man United is their owners Glazers, nobody likes them and some remember big fan protests last year.
If somehow they get Glazers out United will be much better after that.

[/quote]

Yeah he does seem that kind of guy. Even brought all his ajax training routines which apparently United players couldn't do at first as they were so out of shape.

Glazers? Hope they run the club into even more debt. Apparently awarded themselves a fat bonus last year. Imagine how much they'd award if they actually won something!

You can hand over your knowledge and contributions by leaving your account alone. I've seen good new accounts surpass me in whatever measure you can think of


Think it's really hard to step off the penny game for a lot of people. Some a matter of pure economics, where a penny is worth something (and they can't see beyond the penny or the dollar, or never thought it was possible).

It's the same faucet mentality, was even there myself for 2 months -- reading voraciously while not able to do anything in bed (and yes getting sick was really the turning point and start of my Bitcoin journey) I claimed faucets like some weird addiction thing, knowing it was fractions of a penny at the time.

Or those games people pour months of their lives into each year, also thinking they build characters with gears worth 1000s of dollars, not realising if they'd spent the same amount of time and passion into their skills, they'd be earning so much more (and gaining life experience etc).

igehhh didn't know you were the kind to be watching all games on all screens. My simple mind actually prefers one game at a time, I might switch to another game at half time but not come back and switch back and forth. In fact, there is this really annoying local channel called Switch -- when they can't decide which game to actually follow.

Great that you enjoy goals and incidents then. The entire game, buildup, sum of all its ugly parts, the way the pendulum swings, that's how it works for me!

Oh Barca, they actually do look pretty don't they? Heard rumour from friend Catalan government soft promised a bail out if Barca collapse.

^^Yeah, transfrmarkt is my go to site for transfer info, they're pretty accurate with amounts and quick to update, but that's probably only because of my location and what search engines throw at me, they seem to decide I really like languages near me.

Plenty of surprises left, am sure, for a lot of teams. United feel among the most unfinished, but that could be some exhaustion of seeing the same names over and over. Sort of how Bellingham no longer bells for me.

Oi, have you not been reading the euro-dollar news then?

And have you ever made a list of all the exchanges in the world, and looked at how many are actually based in the US?
Or perhaps taken a look at trading volumes and wondered if it is as you say, US based?

Should take a few minutes to try find evidence for your claims that "we know". Surprise yourself a little hm?

Nice the pool's started, can't believe I've been asking for football for weeks and now it's all coming in a big bunch and I'm on the move ha!

All good though, at least where I'll be it'll be really easy to catch a game in public... and yes I know not everyone cares, but I'll be hearing the commentary in a language I understand w00t!

I know this is not exactly the right place, but I like OP and his threads and I do think this is worth mentioning. This is going to be a crazy week, every day releasing figures starting with consumer confidence on inflation, the Fed interest decision Wednesday and then the very next day Q2 GDP.

Interest is the most important and it's pretty gnarly to think it was set at 0.5 2 months ago, but 0.75 was priced in over that period and apparently now even 1.00 is getting priced in. That's great news really because any rate lower than that and Bitcoin will enjoy a strong, strong move.

Be crazy if it exceeded 1 though...