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40221  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
BITCOINtalk.org or WHATEVERtalk.org?

Welcome to the Off-topic section.

Smiley
40222  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 10:52:06 PM

You actually don't have any idea of what you're talking about. You really need to shut the fuck up. Like seriously.

We've simulated both the big bang and abiogenesis. Both events match up nearly perfectly with the results. I mean, no one even has to say anything about evolution, that's literally 5th grade science right there.

Just because you don't understand \"science\" doesn't mean other people doesn't understand science.

Inb4 you spout off more random shit that's totally not related to what I just said. That's exactly what you do, once one point is shot down, you move on the the next one, that one's shot down and you continue the fucking cycle. Eventually, you run out of things and say "you can't understand god". It's like "fucking really? Are you THAT retarded?" Honestly, you're going from arguing to going "nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you, nahnanananana"

What's the matter, poor baby? Finally you are getting something that your mixed up and lying science teachers can't answer? And you are having a hard time taking it, right?

Well, all you need to do is stop looking at topics like this. That way you can remain comfortable, for awhile, that all those whack jobs who believe in God are just, like, gone. Of course, that won't work when you meet Him. The fact that it bothers you at all shows that you are not as secure in your beliefs as you want to think that you are.

Smiley
40223  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 10:44:22 PM

Would we really want that proof?

You are sooo good (capable and understanding).

Thermite is wonderful stuff. Many of the various alloys had their start in people playing with thermite with small amounts of other metals mixed in.

Yet, if you want proof that thermite is wonderful, you better mix the aluminum powder and rust powder in the proper ratios. If you don't, you just might wind up in the hospital (if you live, that is). Would that be proof enough for you (not you, Decksperiment, those others who are doubters)?


God IS hypothetical.

Granted god is a hypothesis shared by many, but it's a hypothesis nonetheless.

Also you refer to god as "he", so I feel you are succumbing to gender bias and anthropomorphism (you allude to god being a person, a male one at that). If this hypothetical god were to exist then I think the correct description would be "it" or simply stop at "god".


In the strict sense, God is hypothetical to people who haven't met Him, or to people who don't recognize that they have met Him.

Evidence is NOT proof. That's why we need faith. Same as the evolutionists need faith to believe that something as impossible as evolution might even have a chance of existing.

ALL people live by faith to some extent. Much (most?) of the time faith produces good results. The people of Hiroshima in WWII overextended their faith, and then they were gone, something that their faith hadn't taken into account.

Consider the stranger you meet in the bar (or wherever). How do you know that this stranger isn't going to harm you? You don't in the strict sense. You take him/her on faith, simply by sitting down to buy your drink.

Smiley
40224  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to make a lot money online? on: August 25, 2014, 07:58:26 PM
From http://voidjudgments.com/detailsvoid.htm:

"IF EVERY VOID JUDGMENT WAS VACATED WITH DAMAGES, IT WOULD REPRESENT THE GREATEST SHIFT IN MATERIAL WEALTH IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!"

Folks who get into common law like Karl Lentz describes it, are similar to folks who got into Bitcoin at the beginning. My opinion.

http://www.broadmind.org/

http://www.unkommonlaw.co.uk/

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5duR4OvEHHxOSdEZhANETw

http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=127469&cmd=tc

Smiley
40225  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:50:21 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?

Basically, the evidence is found in:
1. all the ways that nature proves that it is a highly complex and complicated machine;
2. that the only thing we see with regard to the machine of nature is a running-down, like a clock that is winding down, or a pendulum that is gradually swinging to its bottom-dead-center stop;
3. we have no evidence whatsoever of anything that could start such a thing as nature and the universe into the complexity that they are.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

Smiley

Sorry nothing of that is evidence. As I said itcan be explained thru evolution and biologi
A supreme being that creates universes is much more complex than anything in nature.
If a creature like that can pop up from nothing surley the universe can

You are mistaken about evolution, and the age of the universe as well. When you examine the evidences for evolution, you find:
1. evidence that can be interpreted in many different ways, some that do not indicate evolution at all;
2. basics that are rooted in disclaimers like "if" and "maybe;"
3. lots of hyped-up propagandizing that the story of evolution and the age of the universe is true;

when, in reality, none of it is sound science at all.

Smiley
40226  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:42:53 PM
Let me get this right. You're searching for scientific evidence of a hypothesis that cannot be tested.

That's incredibly naive.

This thread should be called "Scientific proof that dragons exist"

It would make the same amount of sense.

God, like dragons is 100% man-made.

FUCK.

You see? That's the problem. The term "science" has taken on all kinds of meanings in the eyes of people, meanings beyond the simple meaning that pure science is.

Pure science doesn't make evidence. It only shows evidence. There is no evidence in pure science for where this complex universe came from - least not that we have seen. Because of this we have a choice. We can believe:
A. that our made-up stories - lies - are science;
B. that there is a God (since animals would consider people to be gods if they were to think in that direction at all);
C. that we simply cannot know because it is too far beyond us;
D. that there is a revelation about God somewhere, if only we can find it.

Smiley
40227  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:22:53 PM
It's okay that you believe all that atheist stuff, right in the face of all the evidence that God exists. I hope that when the time comes that you aren't strong enough to hold your beliefs any longer - in the face of the evidence for God - that you will remember my simple posts here, and turn to God Who is more than willing to save you.


Religion, throughout history, has been used to control the masses, rather than enlighten them.
You won't catch me subscribing to that anytime soon. Cheesy

Personal religion, between a person and God, is designed to save the person from death, in the long run. No church religion can do that. The church religion is often built, as you have said, to deceive people. Personal religion offers a person the chance to stand perfect, before God, at the time of the judgment, at the last day, after the resurrection. However, a person seals himself/herself into that judgment depending on his personal religious stance at the time of death.

You are a thinking, living person. I don't want to miss spending eternity with you. But often, if a person will simply not accept Him in faith, God will lock him into that non-acceptance in this life. Such people miss out on a glorious eternity, simply because they "want" to, without realizing what they want.

God presents freedom so that people can decide for themselves.

Smiley
40228  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 07:15:18 PM
So where is the evidence that you keep on about?
So far I havent seen anything.
Bodyparts connected to the right place is no evidence. Its called evolution.
Nature is no evidence. It can be explained thru biology
That people have written books and made up stories thru history. No evidence
So where is it?

Basically, the evidence is found in:
1. all the ways that nature proves that it is a highly complex and complicated machine;
2. that the only thing we see with regard to the machine of nature is a running-down, like a clock that is winding down, or a pendulum that is gradually swinging to its bottom-dead-center stop;
3. we have no evidence whatsoever of anything that could start such a thing as nature and the universe into the complexity that they are.

You don't need me to do your research for you.

Smiley
40229  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 06:29:43 PM
What's interesting about this is, that just like people don't entirely know how their subconscious mind works with their brain to operate the many involuntary, automated operations in their bodies, in the same way atheists don't easily realize that their subconscious mind DOES believe in God, and understands a whole lot about Him.

This is actually quite an arrogant statement, because you don't know this whatsoever or have any evidence of it. You just made it up. Wishful thinking. Nothing more.

I could easily retort by saying "religious folk's subconscious mind doesn't believe in god deep down ", but then I would be guilty of the same crime.



You should give up now mate. Literally BADecker has a mental problem. He won't be able to even consider a world without a "God". He's a religious extremist.

Actually, I appreciate you folks a lot. I love the strength of your faith.

It's okay that you believe all that atheist stuff, right in the face of all the evidence that God exists. I hope that when the time comes that you aren't strong enough to hold your beliefs any longer - in the face of the evidence for God - that you will remember my simple posts here, and turn to God Who is more than willing to save you.

Black And Decker ... drilling into the very "soul" of mankind  Cheesy

You are sooooo good. Sometimes I wonder why more people haven't said it.

 Cheesy
40230  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Three Men Mine $200,000 In Bitcoin Every Month on: August 25, 2014, 12:17:05 PM
If you have enough wealth that you can set up a system like this that almost breaks even, you stand to win in the long run.

It might take a couple of decades, yet, for the fiat currency banking system to crash itself. But things are in a position right now that the system could crash any time. All it might take is a few more countries getting off the USDollar as the world currency, like Russia and China are doing.

When this happens, the value of bitcoins just might soar in nations that still use the USD as their basic form of money. So, while Bitcoin mining might not be worth it today, it almost certainly will be worth it sometime in the near future... and maybe worth it in a very big way.

Smiley
40231  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 25, 2014, 11:59:54 AM
Under your handle, listed in your posts, it says "Hero Member." Being a Hero Member means, at least in part, that you have posted a lot of comments, and maybe have lots of topics that you started. If I search out all your topics and posts and read them, I might start to get a picture of what you are like, what some of your directions of thought are.

Whatever the God that brought this universe into being is, I can tell by looking at nature around me that God is Great. For example, I can't, and there isn't any news of anybody who can, simply by taking thought, or wishing, or focusing mentally, or by working, grow another arm and hand out of the side of his/her torso at will. In fact, as far as we know, this is impossible to do or make happen in any way. Yet there are billions of people who have two arms with hands attached to them, growing out of shoulders, right where it would be logical for something like an arm/hand set to be growing.

The point is, anybody who wants to take the time to examine anything and everything that he can, either will see God, or else he will intentionally hide God from himself. Honest people who are great thinkers and investigators will see more of God than those who are not as great thinkers, and who do not investigate as thoroughly. Yet NOBODY is able to tell very much about God by investigating nature (nature includes the inner self).

The nation of ancient Israel - not the current one - was the method that God used to reveal Himself to people. He did it by promoting them (Israel), and then by seeing to it that they recorded in the Bible the things that He did among them and many other nations. As I said in my previous post, above, it is impossible for the Bible to exist in the form that it is in. Yet it exists in abundance, with translations of it in almost all the languages of the world. God did this so that people would find out about Him in ways that we can't, simply by investigating nature.

Why did God make this whole universe? Why doesn't He walk around among us like a human being (if He doesn't)? Why doesn't He formally rule the world in the form of some terrible Being on something like Mount Olympus? The answers to these questions and many others are found in the Bible. The BIG question is, how could a Being that is great enough to make this whole gigantic universe, figure out a way to stoop down low enough that He could reveal Himself to a bunch of proud, arrogant humans, humans that don't even want to believe that He exists, without getting totally upset, and destroying the whole batch of them, right out of existence?

Now we are starting to get a little bit of a picture of what God is like.

The term "atheism" is self-contradictory. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t:

atheism
[ey-thee-iz-uh m]

noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.


How many gods do you believe in BADecker out of the thousands in different religions over the world? Because if you don't believe in one and have faith in another you are atheist towards the one you don't believe in.

Believing in the One God rather than another god, or rather than the many gods, might have some parts of the description or definition of atheism. Yet, it is not atheism. Atheism is believing in no God or gods. What's interesting about this is, that just like people don't entirely know how their subconscious mind works with their brain to operate the many involuntary, automated operations in their bodies, in the same way atheists don't easily realize that their subconscious mind DOES believe in God, and understands a whole lot about Him.

God has given people enough power that they can think that they believe in something that does not exist, all the while not really believing in it. It is not God that they don't believe in way down deep. It is atheism.

Smiley
40232  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: August 24, 2014, 11:45:39 PM
did you know that, at some point,  you will be the next person on earth to die  Huh  Grin

Isn't that why some people want to go to Mars?   Grin
40233  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: August 24, 2014, 11:43:56 PM
You can't save someones life, you can just delay their death.

Of course, how do you know? If you hadn't intervened, they might have lived longer.   Grin
40234  Other / Off-topic / Re: Fun facts on: August 24, 2014, 11:41:17 PM
Fun fact: Ten percent of the Russian government's income comes from the sale of vodka.  Roll Eyes

I wonder what percent of the 10% is sales to the United States.   Grin
40235  Other / Off-topic / Re: Canada invades the United States! on: August 24, 2014, 11:39:15 PM
Haha! Nice. I never knew that and that's probably because I'm an American. The govern has a tendency to enjoy hiding things that make them weaker.

The whole United States school system is designed to make the kids stupider. Many of the kids recognize there is something wrong; they are too smart ot simply accept becoming stupid the the U.S. schools system wants them to be.

Smiley
40236  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to win at the Forex. on: August 24, 2014, 11:21:33 PM
very good broker

Roboforex

 small spread , alowing scalping ,"bot", fast. Problem only one- "trader"  Grin
recently "burned" my account balance... Angry

Thanks. I just sent them an email. Smiley
40237  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: August 24, 2014, 11:12:12 PM
image

Wish I had that license plate.  Wouldn't need to put on pants to go through the drive through.  Smiley

Yes but, if you had pants on when you were stopped by a cop, nothing you could say in court would prove your innocence.   Grin
40238  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: August 24, 2014, 11:03:33 PM
The term "atheism" is self-contradictory. From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/atheism?s=t:

atheism
[ey-thee-iz-uh m]

noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

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If a person wants to believe as #1, he should consider that the term "God" when capitalized usually means, in English, the God of the Bible. Without further explanation about what God is - mythological like an ancient Greek or Roman god, or some South American Indian, or East Asian god, etc. - who can say if the person means God or all gods or what?

Atheism, when God means the God of the Bible, is self-contradictory simply because the Bible cannot exist, yet it does. Why can't the Bible exist? Because much of it has been proven by the Dead Sea Scrolls to have existed almost exactly like it is presently. That's for more than 2,000 years. The parts that were written following the DSS, exist as they were written back almost as early as 300 A.D.; copies of parts of the New Testament date back that far.

There is no other religious writing that has as many early copies, as reliable manuscripts, and a nation (the Jews) that hold by strong, firm tradition that the Old Testament of the Bible is truth, as the Bible. Anyone who studies the history of the Bible with the dedication that scientists study science, will find out that something like the Bible is entirely impossible. So, Who do you think is holding this impossible-to-completely-destroy Bible in place?


If an atheist wants to believe according to #2 above, he/she will have to rule out the existence of the whole universe. Why? One major reason. The whole of nature from electromagnetism to chemistry to life is so extremely complex that, it is literally impossible to exist. The proof of this is as a two-sided coin. The one side shows the complexity. The other side shows only deterioration, a breaking down, a slowing down, like a pendulum gradually coming nearer and nearer to stopping.

In other words, there must have been something extremely GREAT that started the universe. We see NOTHING that gives us an idea about how the universe might have started. The whole Big Bang idea is a fanciful ideology that some people want to use because they simply have to find something. They will go insane if they don't find something. Yet, the whole Big Bang and evolution idea has no reality with regard to what the SCIENTIFIC FACTS are showing us.


I feel sorry for true atheists. They have so much hope in their fanciful religion of atheism. Yet it is the most foolish of ALL religions. The East Asians and South American Indians, at least, are willing to admit that some form of god exists, just like the ancient Greeks and Romans, because they can see the gifts God gives in nature.

The one thing that the atheist has is great faith. It takes great faith to believe that God does not exist against all evidences that He does exist. If believers in God had this kind of faith, God Himself would have destroyed all wars, and turned the earth into a paradise long ago.

Smiley
40239  Other / Off-topic / Re: Let's talk about how hot Asian girls are. [NSFW] on: August 24, 2014, 03:00:53 AM
98.6, except if they are sick with a fever, or dead.

Smiley
40240  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Money - US District Judge on: August 24, 2014, 02:56:06 AM
Judges are part of government. They are not part of your life unless government takes notice of you. Money is what you think it is, and what you agree to use for money with the person you barter with. Even the constitutions of countries where gold and silver are described as money, describe how the government defines money. This is THEIR definition. You accept it or you don't.

Smiley
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