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4061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 18, 2014, 01:39:23 AM

A line needs to be changed on the coin specs (cpu-only mining).
4062  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 10:33:48 PM
I guess this rise can't last for long. Should be some drop. Even if we head further up after that.

Actually it did drop. Yesterday. It was 0.002 then went back to 0.001. Now back to 0.002+.
4063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
Anyone got a dual card (Mines an R9 280x and 5850) sgminer syntax for the GPU miner so they both work correctly.

Currently the R9 280X using the default 280x.bat file that came with the gpu files for Darkcoin is showing around 1.7MH which seems way to high when compared to other mining pools.. but the 5850 only shows about 50kh and both are not running very hot.

1. fix the intensity in 5850 (just 8 )
2. this is not scrypt, so the GPUs are not stressed as much (and are not as power hungry). Apparently some hashes are lagging the whole operation so the GPU has idle time.
4064  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 08:26:08 PM

What's missing is support, maybe they should get in touch with doge devs so they can learn a thing or two about profesionalism.

Wrong thread dude. Go back to doge thread.

I'm sorry, did I end up in the thread of a coin with proper support and a miner that works for everyone? if I did, I do apologize.

There are 2 evolution of the cpu miner and a gpu miner, so pretty much anyone can mine.
4065  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
Au revoir, Vertcoin



We should also note that:

1) DRK has no hype associated with shitcoins
2) DRK has no mainstream publicity like dogecoin, kittehcoin (#34) etc
3) DRK has quite a few market exchanges - yet it does great volume in those that have it
4) DRK rise is not based on viral meme propagation
5) DRK rise is not based on wolong pumping schemes (unobtainum #23)
6) DRK rise is not based on free giveaway coins
7) DRK is not basing its promotion and propagation by being on top of profitability lists (although it is quite profitable - and that may be an understatement) that usually include scrypt + sha256

...which makes the above chart all the more impressive, meaning that there are people / investors etc who are taking it very seriously due to its qualities, not because "it's the latest trend".
4066  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
The new Windows CPU miner that elmad created doesn't seem to have increased my hash rate. I just copied the bat file I was using on the old one. Does something else need to be added?

You have to choose the right .exe. There are 4 or 5 different..
And verify you have aes-ni activatade on your cpu.
Thanks. I'm trying on an old Pentium D 920. It's 64 bit and using the Intel processor utility, I can see that it's sse2 and sse3 capable but aes-ni says no. Is that something I can enable in bios or am I just out of luck?

Use miner ver 1.2c.
4067  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
Difficulty   316.94708405
Est Next Difficulty   101.51652776 (Change in 1 Blocks)
4068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 10:56:32 AM
  • 84 Million Coins Max
  • Block reward halves every year

Does the difficulty changes affect the number of max coins and block halving? How many coins are to be realistically expected?
4069  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 03:24:25 AM
20    Vertcoin   $ 3,489,833   $ 1.91   1,827,300 VTC   $ 181,783   -18.66 %   
21    Tickets   $ 3,010,967   $ 4.5e-05   66,876,281,414 TIX   $ 26,311   -5.82 %   
22    DarkCoin   $ 2,934,561   $ 0.88   3,350,016 DRK   $ 57,969   +135.87 %   
23    Unobtanium   $ 2,548,551   $ 16.70   152,652 UNO   $ 233,992   -20.79 %

edit: LOL, it's been calculated that way with a price of 0.001422 BTC instead of 0.002.
4070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 03:21:43 AM
With this level of rise in coinmarketcap (and the graph showing +135%) it is a definite attention grabber.
4071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 03:17:57 AM
So youre saying i should buy a lot more of these is what youre saying :p

So they will rise more than 50c 100%?

1.25$ now so yes 100%  Grin
4072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 03:14:17 AM
16BTC buy order on 0.00085!!

HOLY COW

With lowest sellers at 0.002 (~1.25$) instead of 0.00085. Everything sweeped clean off.
4073  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin and The Crashing Game on: February 17, 2014, 02:55:01 AM


Bitcoin and The Crashing Game


If you are reading this after the latest “bad news” that drove Bitcoin to lose another 10% or more of its price, maybe you should be informed of the fundamentals regarding its price manipulation.

“Price manipulation? What price manipulation? Is it rigged?”

Well, yes, it is rigged.

Newsflash: EVERY SINGLE MARKET ON THE PLANET IS RIGGED.

Interest rates and monetary supply? Rigged.

Precious Metals? Rigged.

Other commodities? Rigged.

Houses and land? Rigged.

Energy? Rigged.

Everything is rigged.

The only thing different is the method employed for fixing each market. Given all this market-fixing why would anyone believe that Bitcoin is beyond manipulation?

Initially Bitcoin hadn't attracted as much attention. But since people took it seriously and it came to threaten paper currency it naturally became a target of extremely powerful interests that had the need to control it, destroy it, or make people lose faith in the wider cryptocurrency ecosystem which is like burning the entire forest instead of just cutting down a tree. The people behind those powerful interests need to see people getting “burned” and bail. When they achieve that they can pat themselves on the back for keeping the sheep in conformity to the established system that is the only one “worthy” of people's trust. This established system is their system of hierarchical power, with them sitting atop the pyramid.

So what is the method employed for fixing the Bitcoin market?

Bitcoin was genius in its inception because it “trolled” the system against itself.

1) Who could argue that Bitcoin is worthless when its benchmark is paper currency that is even more worthless: Just a paper that does not correspond to gold or silver. On top of that it is issued to infinity instead of being rare and increasingly hard to acquire.

2) How could the elite control Bitcoin through financial instruments with “futures”, “shorting” etc without de facto legalizing it? How could they do that without giving Bitcoin a tremendous legitimacy and desirability boost if it is traded in the “big” markets?

3) How could they tax it without acknowledging it as having genuine value? If it is illegal then one cannot be taxed for it. If it is taxed then everyone can say “I'm paying my taxes and I am legally owning and using this”.


Yet, the absence of #2 (financial instruments) and the convenient gray areas of #3 (whether it's legal or illegal to own, trade, etc or whether its taxable or non-taxable) is the fertile ground from where the manipulation scheme arises.

In finance the second most desirable ability is knowing what is going to happen. However the most desirable ability of all is being in a position to actually control what is going to happen.

Most people are not ideally positioned to practice either ability. They live in a state where their financial moves are intertwined with uncertainty, fear, pressure, anxiety, hope, rational and irrational expectations given one's own understanding, etc. As such they are simple “dancers” to the tune that is played by those who control what is going to happen.

Those who control politics, economy and the media can, for all intents and purposes, create a “disaster story” or an “announcement” about Bitcoin every now and then. “The politicians took the X negative decision” or “the financial authorities tighten the rules for money laundering”, “the FBI raided that exchange” etc...

The dynamic is clear: “Quick, dump your coins so we can buy them from you for pennies”. The “sheep”, living in uncertainty about the grander design, naturally feel that they have to make a decision regarding the latest “news”. Do they bail, or do they stay? Knowing not what is going to happen, they have to balance their conservative side, their hopeful side, their greedy side etc. So some will be selling and sending the price down, creating avalanche-type ripples.

This process is repeated in cycles, as a long-term strategy, where the value of the coin is degraded temporarily for two-digit percentages in order for those who want to control the cryptocurrency landscape to be able to buy more Bitcoins without driving the price to astronomical levels. Such an increase in price would also increase the desirability factor which is the total opposite of the result they are trying to create with the frequent scares.

For those in power who want to control the BTC market, a starting capital of just 100.000 Bitcoins  and only 10% drops in price for each crash-cycle is enough to assure success in the long-run.

Starting Capital: 100.000 BTCs

End of Cycle 1 of scare tactics: 110.000 BTCs (+10% gained or 10.000 BTCs by the drop-cycle for cheap).
End of Cycle 10 of scare tactics: 259.000 BTCs
End of Cycle 20 of scare tactics: 672.000 BTCs
End of Cycle 30 of scare tactics: 1.744.000 BTCs
End of Cycle 40 of scare tactics: 4.525.000 BTCs
End of Cycle 50 of scare tactics: 11.739.000 BTCs (close to the total market supply right now)

This is just an illustration of how the mechanism works – it is expected that some will not sell their coins, especially as the supply of the “weak hands” is diminished. This will necessitate a more sinister approach with an even more deliberate attack on cryptocurrencies and even more negative news that have the potential to shake even the “stronger hands” with the rationale that “others will be selling too, even if I am not selling”.

The buying cycles of those who desire to control the BTC supply are performed through a mix of cash use and cash gained from dumping coins during the upward phase. As the numbers escalate it is increasingly difficult to dump, say, 5 million BTCs and preserve the uptrend and then, after creating the crash, to come and buy back 5.5 million. That's why cash/fiat is essential.

In the end, the accrual of a large quantity of BTC leads to controlling the entire cryptocurrency ecosystem due the trading of other cryptocurrencies in BTC. The BTCs that ended up to users of other cryptocurrencies that sold out their coins for BTCs will find their way back to the market controllers, sooner or later, through the scare mechanism. In this way an inexpensive way to control BTC and the alternate cryptocurrencies is achieved.

By controlling a large share of coins in cryptocurrencies (through owning a large BTC wallet) they can make sure that they are able to smash them at will and shatter people's confidence in them. This is more easily performed in alternative cryptocurrencies which are way more volatile and fragile than Bitcoin.

If you are asking “what to do about this?” I will tell you that it is up to you to decide how you utilize this information. It is also entirely possible that if most people become aware of how this strategy works, the strategy may be adjusted to something else.

For the time being the bad-news-game is being played massively and it is also building up characteristics of psychological conformity to an anchor/trigger situation where people are conditioned to react negatively and expect the worst based on prior events (that “seem” to repeat inside the market).

In a way, people are conforming to the same anchor/trigger pattern where a dog salivates when he hears the dish where his food is served. Every cycle of bad news-market crash will calcify an even deeper emotional sense of impending doom as the “anchor” and “trigger” mechanism are reinforced. Some will feel it as a panic, others may feel it in their gut etc. Awareness of how this works on one's own self is also useful although emotions are harder to reason with.

You can bookmark or share this with anyone you like and you can also contribute your own thoughts and experiences below. You can also make informative videos on YouTube explaining the situation of how some can dominate the BTC market and the alt-crypto ecosystem by simply controlling the flow of events and news/announcements etc.
4074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 01:40:36 AM
Very Nice!
I tried to compile it yesterday for windows and I usually can figure things out...but I spent like 4-5 hrs with no luck
Cherry picking some data without waiting to long. Win7/64  i74930 @ 4.5

Old 1.2c = all threads  ~700kh / half threads ~560kh

i7 avx-i = all threads  ~880kh +25%+ (somehow bounced to 915kh for a while once) / Half threads ~700h +25%  (lower power and significantly cooler)
i7-avx = ~880kh +25%
avx-aes-sse2-sss3  =  ~880kh +25%
aes-sse2-sss3  =  ~820kh +17%

For comparison purposes:

Slightly overclocked (800 to 820 MHz) GPU Radeon 5830: 660KH/s
Fully overclocked (775 to 960MHz) GPU Radeon 6850: 785KH/s




IT made an even bigger difference on my 5650 Xeons.

2x Xeon 5650s in a Dell R610:

old 1.2 - ~390Kh/s
1.3 - ~773Kh/s

Your results may vary. Smiley

If you want to go faster still, use gcc 4.9SVN.
4075  Other / Off-topic / Re: Turn out the lights boys - this party is over. on: February 17, 2014, 01:21:03 AM
why would btc be worth more than an ounce of gold at this stage in December?

Because there are over 5 billion ounces of above ground gold and only 12 million bitcoins.
You can't explain if someone is not ready to look with  newer perspectives and already made up there mind..!

technically there could be even more gold if you count the precious metals that have been discovered in space ( and yes, that's a true fact ) while precious metals are certainly good for now because of the scarcity and the way they're created once we're a spacefaring species the fresh supply of precious metals could easily change all that so unless we end up accidentally discovering a precious metal even rarer than gold then it could end up crashing the markets and the "It's rare" argument goes out the window which is why having a currency that follows a strict logic is actually a pretty good solution.

p.s. I also hope those 5 Billion ounces include the precious metals located in Afghanistan

Above ground quantities are everything that is mined and not lost post-production (like gold in gold plated electronics that end up in the junk). They are estimated at 180.000 tons or ~5.7bn ounces. This quantity increases every year (mining) by around 80-90mn ounces.

Gold is scarce because it's hoarded immensely in vaults etc. Silver is not considered that scarce (10x supply in nature than gold) yet above ground quantities are near 25bn ounces (a ratio of just 1:5). In practical terms the average person will have trouble finding the 1:5 gold ratio to silver because gold is soooo hoarded. You will see a home having a silver dish weighing 1 kg but you won't see them having gold of 200 grams because most of the gold is in the vaults. People might have 50 "silver eagles" but not 10 "gold eagles" of 1oz. The 1:60+ value of gold (due to its hoarding) prevents it.

Essentially the hoarding is what makes gold so scarce.
4076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 01:06:03 AM
Apparently the GPU miner can't handle pools going down? It didn't switch to backup pool, and when the first pool was up again it didn't connect to that either. Had to quit and restart it. Is it working ok for others?

For me it does.
4077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 17, 2014, 01:01:57 AM
Very Nice!
I tried to compile it yesterday for windows and I usually can figure things out...but I spent like 4-5 hrs with no luck
Cherry picking some data without waiting to long. Win7/64  i74930 @ 4.5

Old 1.2c = all threads  ~700kh / half threads ~560kh

i7 avx-i = all threads  ~880kh +25%+ (somehow bounced to 915kh for a while once) / Half threads ~700h +25%  (lower power and significantly cooler)
i7-avx = ~880kh +25%
avx-aes-sse2-sss3  =  ~880kh +25%
aes-sse2-sss3  =  ~820kh +17%

For comparison purposes:

Slightly overclocked (800 to 820 MHz) GPU Radeon 5830: 660KH/s
Fully overclocked (775 to 960MHz) GPU Radeon 6850: 785KH/s


4078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 16, 2014, 08:07:58 PM
Sorry, but your assumptions are wrong. My 4 x R9 290 rig uses about 450W when idle and about 1450W when 100% busy mining scrypt coins. However when mining DRK it only uses 900W of power (so about 112W for each card) - due to the nature of calculations (lots of random memory access in 3 or 4 hash functions) full potential of GPU cores cannot be used and they use much less power. That means mining with GPU is over 300% more efficient.

May I ask, is it possible to tamper the sgminer files in some way to get some hashes running through the cpu instead of the gpu? Like hash1 done in gpu, hash2 done in gpu, hash 3 done in cpu, hash 4 done in gpu etc...


I don't really see the point of doing that. Just run a CPU miner alongside GPU miner.

If there is specific hash where the cpu can excel and the GPU sucks then this would make more sense.
4079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 16, 2014, 08:06:10 PM
Core i7-4670K gets about 410KHash/s on DRK while using around 77W
R9 290X gets about 2000KHash/s on DRK while using around 225W (?)

As phm wrote above, for some reason the GPUs are not at 100% power use right now, which is great for consumption really. CPU power is rarely close to the TDP, and for the i7-4670K it should be <70.

Many CPUs can significantly improve their consumption through undervolting at stock volt. When you have a cpu that can gain, say, +0.6  to +1 GHz with stock volt, then that's a great sign that it can go at stock speeds with far less power.

Generally speaking CPUs are far more flexible in increasing power efficiency through undervolting* than GPUs. If combined with more CPU acceleration in the future by accelerating further hashes there's room for co-existence because the vast ratio of scrypt or sha acceleration is not maintained in X11.

* For example my wolfdale celeron e3200 at 2.4GHz can run stock at 1.02v instead of 1.28v and 1.9GHz with just 0.9v with "core temps" being like 40c - nothing.

4080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | Anonymous (alpha) | KGW | No Premine | ASIC Resistant on: February 16, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
Sorry, but your assumptions are wrong. My 4 x R9 290 rig uses about 450W when idle and about 1450W when 100% busy mining scrypt coins. However when mining DRK it only uses 900W of power (so about 112W for each card) - due to the nature of calculations (lots of random memory access in 3 or 4 hash functions) full potential of GPU cores cannot be used and they use much less power. That means mining with GPU is over 300% more efficient.

May I ask, is it possible to tamper the sgminer files in some way to get some hashes running through the cpu instead of the gpu? Like hash1 done in gpu, hash2 done in gpu, hash 3 done in cpu, hash 4 done in gpu etc...

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