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4061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The great tsnuami of selling used GPU's..When will it commence on: July 16, 2017, 07:26:04 PM
I think everyone is waiting to see what happens to BTC first. So depending on how the next few weeks pan out will depend on when or if GPUs start flooding the market. Right now everyone is waiting until after August 1st to make any decisions. If the price of cryptos start to climb again, I believe new miners will hang on to their cards. people who have ROI'd already have no immediate need to liquidate and have a bit of room yet to eek out some profits.

As others have already pointed out, mining is still profitable, just not as crazy profitable as before, but profit is still profit. If I invest $0.30 per card a day in electricity and get back $2.00 ($1.70 in profit) there really is no reason to panic sell quite yet, especially with all the hope out there that this downturn will soon correct. Not until profits dip under costs does this really become a concern. Eth price would need to go under and stay below $100 for some time for profits to start to really get tight.

Even if some people do decide to start selling their GPUs early on, I see two big factors keeping the prices up for a little while longer. One is a lot of people here have already expressed desire to start buying up these GPUs at slight discounts, probably also anticipating a return to mad profits once things blow over. Another factor is that a lot of Gamers worldwide are pissed off of miners buying up all the stock and waiting on prices to come down to normal levels so they can get the GPU upgrade they been waiting on but refuse to pay a premium. Once cards start to return to somewhat reasonable prices this pent up demand will need to be filled and will absorb a lot of the early sell off.

So I think we will need to ride out a period of at least a month or two of very low to negative profitability to start shaking out weak GPU hands and see any type of GPU tsunami.

i fully agree , and the fact that we have this large price drop , will deter a few new miners which only extends the period of low profits by slowing the diff
4062  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The great tsnuami of selling used GPU's..When will it commence on: July 16, 2017, 04:46:40 PM
The tsunami of selling GPU's will start not before the coming of new cards in the market, especially the AMD RX VEGA cards which are projected to hit the market right just after the August 1. I don't know if that is a good time or a bad one but if the new cards are not available in the market no one will sell their cards, 29 Mhsh on Ethereum still makes you 0.0007 btc daily so 6 of them makes you still 0.0042 btc daily and for miners like me that is a good amount to have daily. I don't care that the price is going down, I am sure it will recover so as long as I am collecting new amount of bitcoin everyday no matter how low amount I am happy.

bingo this guy gets it , it will take at least six more months of continually decreasing profits for this huge fire sale you are waiting for.  And vega might be fast but the results shows it uses way too much power compared even to polaris
with thinning margins power cost is important so polaris might still be beter
4063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining dropping rapdily on: July 16, 2017, 04:42:43 PM
Lol, these threads are hilarious, a lot of noobs crying now
It' s good lesson, nothing is that easy as it seemed a few months ago
lol 'this software was awesome at first'

yeah blame the software , hillarious
4064  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: The great tsnuami of selling used GPU's..When will it commence on: July 16, 2017, 03:30:32 PM
youre forgetting that these new commers paid abig premium for thier hardware, they might sell at some loss
but not a huge loss, remeber they have to pay back thier loans etc

you might get a 20 to 30 percent discount, bit youre also competing with gamers,  and to be honest if somone keeps their gear and mines for six months when eth hashrate drops by 30 percent on the rx cards will be paid off by them
so it actually makes more sense to keep them put the towards another algo.

1070 are beasts at mining tons of algos so i dont see prices on those dropping below 400

what do i know though
4065  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is your local Craigslist / Kijiji flooded with GPUs ? on: July 16, 2017, 07:19:41 AM
I was hoping to see cheap GPUs popup, but they are all still expensive.

Makes me sick that a lot of sellers are still promoting these GPUs as very profitable atm. I'm doing max 3 euro per day with my 1080 Ti!  Embarrassed

lol i raised the price on mygpus on ebay i had 10 rx 480 8gb for 390 , had a buyer lined up said
fuck it cancelled the deal raised my price to 430 plus shipping, with ebay fees you have to sell at 20 percent
over to get your real price
4066  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.7 (Windows/Linux) on: July 16, 2017, 04:48:25 AM
trying to solo mine,  etc , how can you tell if the miner is working since all you see is new work recived dont se accepted shares I guess which makes sense since no pool to submit to
4067  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: POLL: What's your plan after ETH? on: July 15, 2017, 07:29:04 AM
I just got into ETH during last month. So I missed the party big time, however, at this moment, I am going to enjoy the ride as much I can and keep following this forum for best advice.

Current set-up:

2x 1070 + 1x 1080 rig = ZEC (thinking about switching to ZEN or LBC)

6x 580 rig = ETH + SIA (in the past mined ETH + DCR)
4x 570 = ETH + SIA

Also, I have 1x R9 290X, which I have heard can give good hashrate mining ETH + SIA, so I may add it to my 4x 570 rig. I still two more rigs to bring online this weekend, so I am way behind and hoping it is a worthwhile effort. If not, I am OK with taking a loss.

Any advice about what I should do different is welcome Smiley

My advice is to only buy more gpus with profits because soon they will be really cheap and widely available. You're paying a premium right now for the GPU's at current market pricing.
ppl

keep saying gpus will be cheap blaah blah, i dont see it happening , as it gets harder to mine ppl will try and add more hash I think we will have gpu shortages until march april 2018 when wth goes pos, any gpu bought now would def be paid off by then
4068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: BAIKAL asic mine 2000MH/s on: July 15, 2017, 07:12:37 AM
No chance I will spend 7k for a 2gh miner.  The iBelink is far more efficient, much higher hash rate for less money.  Baikal has missed the mark completely here. 
baikal is too expensive , but ibelink could be vaporware as well
risk on both is about the same imo

id rather buy and l3
4069  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big. on: July 14, 2017, 10:08:14 AM
Which OS are you using Marvell?
I'm using nvOC, haven't played with the clocks on ETH yet.

@bentcrypto  all my rigs are windows 10, I use MSI afterburner to OC mem to 588 or so ans lower core like -200 and power limit btw 50-70 depending on model
4070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big. on: July 14, 2017, 08:29:45 AM
Absolutely not a waste. My 1070 6 card rigs do 170mh on ETH @ 1200w.
Currently earning slightly more than equihash selling on nicehash  Smiley

thats bad actually, with the latest claymore my 1070s are doing 180mhs eth and 2300 sia

or 187 eth alone
4071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Mining Cpu coins with Cpu's on: July 13, 2017, 05:25:44 AM
I will eventually run them all headless and login via the lan to mess with them.

If your wondering why I went with E5-2660 V1 cpu's it is that right now they are the best performance vs price. I paid a little over $50.00 each for them.

The E5-2660's are half the price of E5-2670's and have ~ %85 of the performance.

the main advantage of GPU's is they hold their value long after you are done with them , this is a good project but only for the short term I think due to GPU shortage

I will keep following
4072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Suprnova ZEC on: July 13, 2017, 04:09:27 AM
Hi,

My account is  locked and the admins are not responding to requests to reset. This has been going on for a week.  I am moving my miners away from this site. They seem to be doing what wemineltc did and will probably pull the plug on their sites and steal your coin.  Warning to all.

that happend to me as well as on pool.mn , it seems that somone has access to a large number of sprnova accounts but not the pins so when they try an withdraw coins they lock the account

search your email you used to register for suprnova and then you should find an unlock link so you can unlock it then make sure to change the password.

Thats what I did, sprnova really needs 2FA
4073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Litecoin Difficulty jump on: July 13, 2017, 02:04:28 AM
This is just the beginning. Wait till the next batch of L3+s and more ship out and difficulty will probably be over 500k and 1m in a short time. Huge risk to buy those miners nowadays, it's either buy them shipped now (no shit Bitmain preorders) and possibly make some profit or hope difficulty won't grow exponentially and won't make your miner nearly obsolete when it arrives, which it will.

you dont think a sept preorder will still be profitable ? I was gona buy 3-4 to see
4074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: July 13, 2017, 02:00:44 AM
Just doing some catchup on my reading, since a number of us here at Phil's thread use Nicehash... pls read

How will the possible Bitcoin UASF, BIP148, BIP149 and SegWit2x affect you2017-06-19
https://new.nicehash.com/news/174


@Marvell1

After running ETH farm for nearly 2 years now.... I learnt an important lesson, esp if you have 20-30 rigs farm.

Rule No 1 -- always under clock, and under-volt (modded ROMs for low power higher hash if necessary)
Your gear will last longer this way.
Substantial savings on power bill too.
You can manage the cooling solution better.

Rule No 2 -- never dual mine otherwise hell will break loose sooner or later.
Sure you get a few more bucks for the 2nd coin.... but the RX isn't really optimized for the 2nd coin in Claymore's list.
When the profitability is better, I usually get my non-RX rigs, like Nanos and 390s, to mine DCR, ZEC and others directly

Rule No 3 -- always use the best card for the best coin type.
While all my AMDs are ETH mining.... all my 1080tis are mining exclusively ZEC, because simply NVIDIA cards are very good for ZEC


Very good info, you are right I had around 40 nanos dual mining dc all of last year and only 20 of them are still alive, on the RX cards I have only fried a few so i dual  mine with the higer end 480s
but you are right i can tell the cards are dying slowing due to the summer heat.

My question is why do you care if they die ? I just RMA them since they are only 1 or two years old ?

on 3) yeah you are right Nvidia is way better on ZEC but I have found dual mining with 1070s and 1080tis is basically close to a wash in profitablity since the 1000 series does not really use much more power dual mining
compared to the RX cards ?

That being said my 20 remaining nanos are stil dual mining SIA and Eth, mostly because I cant downgrade my drivers to mine ZEC , I have 20 i need to RMA though I keep putting it off.
4075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: July 13, 2017, 12:50:02 AM
Converted my stock RX470s 6xGPU TB85 to the 12xGPU Biostar TB250-BTC PRO
Got it to work with 11 GPUs on smOS.
Will continue to trouble shoot after dinner and test with nvOC with 12 x Zotac 1070 Mini -- cant wait.
If I have time I will try the 2 Claymore instances/windows with RX470 and 1070s; 6 x GPUs in each session in Windows.\

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ETH: Share accepted (7 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:24 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 4)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:25 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 4)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:31 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.173 Mh/s, Total Shares: 407, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.923 Mh/s, GPU1 19.919 Mh/s, GPU2 19.920 Mh/s, GPU3 19.916 Mh/s, GPU4 19.939 Mh/s, GPU5
19.927 Mh/s, GPU6 19.932 Mh/s, GPU7 19.920 Mh/s, GPU8 19.924 Mh/s, GPU9 19.925 Mh/s, GPU10 19.928 Mh
/s
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:33 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 3)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:35 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.191 Mh/s, Total Shares: 408, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.922 Mh/s, GPU1 19.948 Mh/s, GPU2 19.916 Mh/s, GPU3 19.936 Mh/s, GPU4 19.941 Mh/s, GPU5
19.926 Mh/s, GPU6 19.921 Mh/s, GPU7 19.929 Mh/s, GPU8 19.896 Mh/s, GPU9 19.923 Mh/s, GPU10 19.932 Mh
/s
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:39 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 10)
ETH: Share accepted (10 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:39 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 6)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:42 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.196 Mh/s, Total Shares: 410, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.934 Mh/s, GPU1 19.923 Mh/s, GPU2 19.910 Mh/s, GPU3 19.923 Mh/s, GPU4 19.942 Mh/s, GPU5
19.918 Mh/s, GPU6 19.942 Mh/s, GPU7 19.923 Mh/s, GPU8 19.941 Mh/s, GPU9 19.920 Mh/s, GPU10 19.922 M





What CPU and how much ram did you use? Also did you get it to running 12? Well done!

Wow 6 MS accept time on your shares, major respect. I've always like watching how you can tinker with things and get them working better citronick. Wish I had taken more EE/programming classes in college  Angry Angry

how are yo ugetting such low ms on accepted ? normaly I only see around 20-60 ms

All 12 x GPUs working now -- one riser was not snapped in properly.

According to Cryptomined's video, 16GB is recommended but that was for Windows.

He tried 8GB on windows and no difference.

So since I am using Linux, I used 8gb (4gb x 2) -- this board only have 2 x RAM slots.

The CPU is a small Celeron G3930 as recommended by Cryptomined.

This rig is on smOS Linux. Next few days, will try it on 1070s on nvOC Linux. Cant wait to see that running on my small NVIDIA farm.

Biggest challenge for this mobo I think is the PSU size that you would need to get things together stable without maxing PSUs.

I get about 1650-1880watts, and just under 8Amps to run this 12-card rig. I use a Delta 2400w server PSU kit.

Space, footprint savings is clear. But you save on CPU, RAM etc too. Perfect for my modest ETH and ZEC farms.

And lastly that sub-10ms share submit times.... that's the Dwarfpool node closest to me.... I suspect the hosting ISP is just next to my warehouse....  Grin

Impressive build 12 GPU one rig who would have imagined, you try to dual mine with claymore on a bigger PSU maybe ?
4076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: July 13, 2017, 12:06:13 AM
Converted my stock RX470s 6xGPU TB85 to the 12xGPU Biostar TB250-BTC PRO
Got it to work with 11 GPUs on smOS.
Will continue to trouble shoot after dinner and test with nvOC with 12 x Zotac 1070 Mini -- cant wait.
If I have time I will try the 2 Claymore instances/windows with RX470 and 1070s; 6 x GPUs in each session in Windows.\

Quote
ETH: Share accepted (7 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:24 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 4)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:25 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 4)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:31 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.173 Mh/s, Total Shares: 407, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.923 Mh/s, GPU1 19.919 Mh/s, GPU2 19.920 Mh/s, GPU3 19.916 Mh/s, GPU4 19.939 Mh/s, GPU5
19.927 Mh/s, GPU6 19.932 Mh/s, GPU7 19.920 Mh/s, GPU8 19.924 Mh/s, GPU9 19.925 Mh/s, GPU10 19.928 Mh
/s
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:33 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 3)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:35 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.191 Mh/s, Total Shares: 408, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.922 Mh/s, GPU1 19.948 Mh/s, GPU2 19.916 Mh/s, GPU3 19.936 Mh/s, GPU4 19.941 Mh/s, GPU5
19.926 Mh/s, GPU6 19.921 Mh/s, GPU7 19.929 Mh/s, GPU8 19.896 Mh/s, GPU9 19.923 Mh/s, GPU10 19.932 Mh
/s
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:39 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 10)
ETH: Share accepted (10 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:39 - SHARE FOUND - (GPU 6)
ETH: Share accepted (6 ms)!
ETH: 07/11/17-13:05:42 - New job from eth-sg.dwarfpool.com:8008
ETH - Total Speed: 219.196 Mh/s, Total Shares: 410, Rejected: 0, Time: 01:03
ETH: GPU0 19.934 Mh/s, GPU1 19.923 Mh/s, GPU2 19.910 Mh/s, GPU3 19.923 Mh/s, GPU4 19.942 Mh/s, GPU5
19.918 Mh/s, GPU6 19.942 Mh/s, GPU7 19.923 Mh/s, GPU8 19.941 Mh/s, GPU9 19.920 Mh/s, GPU10 19.922 M





What CPU and how much ram did you use? Also did you get it to running 12? Well done!

Wow 6 MS accept time on your shares, major respect. I've always like watching how you can tinker with things and get them working better citronick. Wish I had taken more EE/programming classes in college  Angry Angry

how are yo ugetting such low ms on accepted ? normaly I only see around 20-60 ms
4077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Friends coming at me with 40-50k to invest into mining rigs on: July 12, 2017, 10:36:44 AM
I hear people from 2-3 years ago saying difficulty is too hard with their current  hardware at the time and I hear people now saying the same thing with new hardware. There is no easy money. You gota mine and be willing to accept to break even or have slim profits in the short term to mid term. If your willing to accept that potential reality then go for it. The real gains come from holding your coins as long as you can, or until it has a nice price breakout after mining them if your lucky. That can take 6 months or more. The biggest mistake to me is giving up and not trying it. I rather try and fail and try again. Those are the winners. It's just like housing. Get in as early as you can. It's a long term game. Always think bigger picture, go against trend, and do things that not many people are doing due to difficulty.

Going back to specifics if your going to run a mining farm you're going to have to learn as you go, debug the hardware equipment and software,  find ways to better optimize cost of equipment as you build and go on.  Even if it's not the most optimized your fighting against time so you can make a few mistakes and keep improving as you go.  Ditch the shopping list and just do it and build your 1st fully functional working rig. Once that's running perfectly you'll build your next rig cheaper and more efficient. Start small and expand

One of the best comments I have seen on these boards for quite some time.  Very well said.

lol my rigs get more expensive with newer builds since i realise i need more power over head, better more powerful GPUs ,Better motherboards  etc not cheaper
4078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.7 (Windows/Linux) on: July 12, 2017, 09:59:18 AM
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4079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized. on: July 12, 2017, 02:29:55 AM
I am waiting for people to start dumping off their 1060 and 1070's after a half reclaim on ROI.... you will finally see the cards for what they should be selling for ~160 for a 1060 and ~260 for a 1070.   Those are more realistic second-hand prices.

I just had a local guy on CL debate with me on how his EVGA GTX1060 that he bought for $200 shelf price a month ago are not worth the $320 he was asking for them.... and when I worked him down to $220 cash for one card, that was advertised as being "BNIB", I asked for a zoomed in in focus picture of the PCIE plug to see if it is indeed unused, wherein I got no response back.


So yeah;  I am glad I got my buddy to build his miners before all this fell apart (the 1Kls link);  hes already paid off most if not all of it; and all the profits from now on are clean cut.   His power for his house is included in his rent;  so he's heating his house for the summer XD

only a fool would ever sell a 1070 for under 300 man , even next year unless it has been mining 247 for 3 years and is out of waranty.  Heck Id be shocked to see one for under 350 till 2019

Huh? How do you figure that out?

Newegg was selling them brand new for $319 on Ebay before the boom.
I don't think it will be too long until we see them back down in the 300's and then even lower. Especially before 2019 Cheesy

things have changes forever since then, back then there was a glutt of 1070s since even casuaal gamers preferrd the rx series due to price, now rx series are no longer the best mining card anymore and even if rx prices come back to 200 250, a used 1070 is still a better option not only for gaming but mining by far due to the epoc nerf.

even when eth is unminable 1070 is stil far far better at everything else, you wont see sub 300 or even 350 1070s until maybe volta witch wont be in much quantity till 2019
4080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Friends coming at me with 40-50k to invest into mining rigs on: July 12, 2017, 01:49:19 AM
40 -50 k is chump chnage right now due to the high cost of GPUs , you cant even build a real farm for that.  I spent probbaly 60k last year on my farm 250 or so GPUs , including mother boards risers etc  :  now 60k buys what

100 gpus ? and thats not counting all the boards PSU whatever so really only 75 GPU at current prices.


Thanks for the reply, it's good to know what other's have done/are doing.


Was shooting for 100 GPUs no matter the cost...overall it's not a lot of money to this investor...just testing waters.


It's really becoming about the opportunity cost for me and the investor...



I have a question, how did you accumulate your 250 gpus?






I got the bulk of them laster year onnce the rx series were tested to have the same hash rate as 290x and fury cards for 1/2 the power.

bought another 100 from jan to may before prices went stupid.  Selling ny lower endcards the 4gb470 and 480s for around 350 and swapping them for 1070s .

some guy bough 10 of my asus  4gb 470 cards which bough for $135 in march ,  Idk if they know something I dont
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