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4121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Your bets for 2014 on: January 07, 2013, 05:27:21 AM
of course that won't make bitcoin unusable, even if you have to verify 1000 blocks. but if we want to make bitcoin more popular we also have to focus on usability. and i don't think many peolpe would be happy with a payment solution that takes 20min to load before you can use it.

i don't want to make bitcoin sound bad, i love the idea as much as most here do, i just want to point out that there is a lot of work to be done, especially on technical details of the software

I can agree with that.  But there was someone in this thread barking that "your computer will just die"  Roll Eyes

He's just spreading FUD to make profit on his short position.

Too bad for him... even that won't talk the market down right now.
4122  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: January 07, 2013, 05:16:50 AM
I don't understand how to read these analyst graphs.  Can someone explain or link me to something useful?

In his most recent image, he depicts the possible upcoming scenarios: up, sideways, or down down down.

Basically he draws a bunch of lines until he finds something he can use to make a bearish case.
4123  Economy / Speculation / Re: Review of S.DICE on: January 05, 2013, 09:47:23 AM
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Sending an order works like this : you clearsign your order (gpg --clearsign), then you encrypt the result with the exchange's public key (gpg --encrypt --armor -r F1B69921). If you don't have that key try gpg --search-keys 'F1B69921'. The exchange answers with a signed message encrypted with your own public key, which you can decrypt at will. You don't have to use the web interface at all, you can POST directly to the script (via for instance curl).

If that didn't make any sense to you :


    Open up a terminal. On Ubuntu you press Ctrl+Alt+T. On Os/X (Macs) you navigate to /Applications/Utilities and double-click on Terminal. In Windows you click Start > Run > cmd.exe.

    Type gpg --clearsign, hit Enter. If it complains that it can't find gpg, you have to navigate to the directory where you have it installed. If you have ever identified with gribble you certainly have it installed. If you never did, aren't part of the WOT etc you should go get it right now. Trying to be part of a cryptocurrency without knowing how to use gpg is like trying to be part of the 60s without knowing how to use a bong. If you're on Windows this is a good place to start. Also make sure you read the documentation, for instance here.

    Type your passphrases if prompted for it, hit Enter. Don't panic if nothing seems to happen and you just get a blinky cursor, this is RMS-style user interface.

    Type your command for MPEx, such as STAT, then hit Ctrl-d and Ctrl-d again. (On some systems such as Windows this might be Ctrl-z instead. Whatever EOF is on your system, that's what you need.)

    Type gpg --encrypt --armor -r F1B69921, hit Enter.

    If prompted for confirmation on whether to trust the key press y, hit Enter. This means you haven't signed the key, please do so (type gpg --sign-key F1B69921 hit Enter then gpg --send-key F1B69921 hit Enter.).

    Paste the clearsigned message from before. Get the whole thing, don't just copy the signature block. It starts with "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----". Hit Ctrl-d and Ctrl-d again.

    Paste the gnarly result into the MPEx box, "Output as html" checked (it's checked by default).

    Copy the resulting message.

    Go back to terminal, type gpg, hit Enter.

    Paste message, Ctrl-d and Ctrl-d again.

    If prompted for passphrase type it in, hit Enter. It'll pop up your sig info, hit Ctrl-d.

    At this point you are looking at the exchange's response. If it complains that you pasted mangled output you probably didn't correctly copy/paste things. If it doesn't complain then congratulations! You've made it.

omg this is crazy.... Cheesy

PGP is really not as complicated as it sounds and well worth the effort to learn.
4124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Fiscal Cliff trade on: January 05, 2013, 09:32:22 AM
I don't care what you do with your money in your account.  Get rich, go broke, doesn't matter to me.  My issue is with someone creating a post on a public forum telling others what they should do, while hyping up the idea as a sure thing, and avoiding any suggestion that it could go sour.

Nothing is a "sure thing"... I think we all know better than that. You're essentially scolding me for serving coffee without a sticker saying "Hot coffee can burn you".

Which, in America, can make you liable for millions of dollars in damages.

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The outcome you declared would happen is going off the cliff.  Every statement you made was talking about what was going to happen WHEN (not if) we went off the cliff on January 1.

I'm not selling anyone investment advice so I don't feel like I need to provide a legal disclaimer to share my opinions on the market and describe how to speculate... There's a reason it's called speculation, and why I said "this is how you speculate"... I did not say "this is how you win every time, guaranteed, so do this and you can never lose"... I remember learning in the 3rd grade that the stock market had risks...

Furthermore, when I suggested that going off the cliff wasn't necessarily a bad thing, you claimed that "Either outcome is a big, fat FAIL" creating an impression that your advice was good regardless of what happened with the Fiscal Cliff, demonstrating further that your statements weren't based on "IF we did go off the Fiscal Cliff".

I did say either outcome is a fail, and it is... the outcome which ultimately came to be was yet another failure of government. I hope you don't think they "saved" America by moving the date back... I also did not say that the trade was going to work no matter what...

As I said earlier, perhaps a little more caution and a willingness to consider the possibility of a downside would add some perspective to your opinions about the directions of various markets.  If you are going to say something "will happen", be sure that it "will happen", otherwise you're better off saying that it "might happen".

I believe readers are a bit more intelligent than that... I don't see why we should argue about what might happen if the dumbest/most naive person possible read my thread and decided to use it as some form of "absolute" investment advice. If such a person is among us I hope they don't have a brokerage account because it won't be long before they find one of those penny stock websites...  Undecided

In spite of my interjection, I completely agree that DannyHamilton is off base here.  Unfortunately, he seems to hold the position that is held by the majority of nanny-state dependent Americans who want to blame others when things they do go wrong.
4125  Economy / Speculation / Re: Your bets for 2014 on: January 05, 2013, 09:15:56 AM
But causes total hang of system IO scheduler on open, close, sync.

You ppl do not have brains? When DB will reach size of RAM of common computer - customers will better shut themselves rather than use vanilla client.

Have you tried the 0.8 prerelease?  It reduces the working set (the part needed in memory) to around 150 MB with the current blockchain.  It synced on my machine in under four hours without even keeping one core busy and mostly idle disk (it was network bound, which is the next area targeted for speed up).  Someone ran it on an old pentium 4 machine and it synced in under 6 hours (easily done overnight).

In other words, I know you love Satan, but there are enough truths to strike fear in people's hearts.  You don't need to make up lies.
4126  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: January 04, 2013, 10:20:31 AM
Come on...this thread was glorious once, where are THE RIGS?

Now they look like this:

Here is my final setup for my 11 BFL Singles (patiently awaiting to go home when the ASICS arrive) - They average about 9200 MH/S total


4127  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Historical question: on: January 04, 2013, 12:59:34 AM
Quote from: satoshi
If it gets really big, the decimal can move two places and cents become the new coins.

This sounds right and even timely for me.

I do not like mBTC since it scales with 3 magnitudes.
People used to 2 magnitude moves from USD or EUR to cents and not to 1/10 cents.

Should we rather go for BTc for BT(c)ents, or cBTC?

MB for Megabyte and Mb for megabit has been confused the last 25 years.

They will just be called "cents", everybody know that you are talking about Bitcoin.

BTW a half Byte, 4 bits, is a nipple.

Half a byte is a nibble, not a nipple.
4128  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Experimental pre-0.8 builds for testing on: January 04, 2013, 12:52:31 AM
Trying to compile the turbo build on linux I get these errors:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshlwapi
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbghelp

It seems to be complaining about windows only libraries being missing.

Which makefile are you using? And which version of the branch (A recent change removed dbghelp altogether, also for windows).

I'm using the makefile generated by the qmake command.

The branch is the most up to date one in your github repository (sipa/bitcoin) head is:
fd95a8ac216b447f429409fde9f8eaef2ae4c339

I tried again tonight.  The dbghelp error is indeed gone now, but the shlwapi error persists.  Head is 4fb73728b2a924c8b940042b3b7fbe8ef7a4b274

Removing -lshlwapi from line 100 of bitcoin-qt.pro (LIBS line) allows the build to complete.  It is now running with a fresh (empty) datadir and seems to be syncing nicely.
4129  Economy / Goods / Re: New Zealand - Anything you want! on: January 04, 2013, 12:36:59 AM
How much to deliver flowers to my sister in Dunedin when she has her baby?

Big flower combo or just a normal flower package and delivery? Ranges from $60-120 NZD

Id be interested in some more rare heirloom non hybrid non GMO seeds.

I can get, what specific seeds?

How much for a small greenstone tiki? UK shipping

I've called a few greenstone retailers, your looking at 160-180$ NZD for a genuine greenstone tiki.

Uk Shipping would be around 15-20 NZD with insurance.

Let me know if any of you are interested via PM Smiley

Sorry, the baby came the day after I posted that.  Thanks anyway,
4130  Economy / Economics / Re: What's a proper measure of economic growth? on: January 03, 2013, 01:30:08 AM
Consumer surplus: median income - basic cost of living (adjusting both for family size).

If a new disease treatment is created that is far cheaper and more effective than previous treatments, GDP would fall but consumer surplus would rise (medical expenses portion of basic cost of living would decrease).
4131  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Natural progression for a Silverbug: Bitcoin on: December 31, 2012, 07:05:48 AM
PM's .. not so much yet (could you just imagine having .1% of 1% of all the gold or silver ever mined?)
copper & lead ..  wife is starting to come around

I started out with both silver and gold bullion, but then I lost interest in silver, though I think the large silver coins are cool. I'll probably get a kilo coin eventually.

I guess I understand the appeal of industrial metals because of their utility, but I don't think they are very practical. 1 oz. of gold has as much value as 500 lbs of copper. Copper and lead are not very efficient ways to store wealth.

But they are a great way to protect it Wink.
4132  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bernanke sightings frequency and forecast on: December 31, 2012, 12:40:31 AM
I can't think of a single think Ben Bernake would have the balls to say that would bring me comfort.
4133  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Bitcoin mining will not be profitable in the long term on: December 30, 2012, 12:21:42 AM

This.

Also, yes, this has been the end game all along, It is also what will keep mining honest.

Finally, profits are determined by revenue - expenses.  Using bitcoin (and mining to avoid fees) lowers expenses, thus raising profits.  But no, it won't be profitable to mine for the sake of mining, only if you need to process transactions and bitcoin continues to be the cheapest way to do that securely.
4134  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My open letter to Bitcoin Foundation on: December 30, 2012, 12:16:56 AM
BS, the foundation should be looking out for the community, not the views of 2 businesses and one developer. If he is looking for a pay day, then maybe he shouldn't be the lead developer, complete BS.

Why is that BS?  He forgot he is a slave and works for free?  What do you do for a living, do you work for free?  A fair bit ironic to see this just to the right of:

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Java, PHP, HTML/CSS Programmer for Hire!

If he was getting a pay day and contributing nothing, I suppose I could understand, but when "core development status report" is only 8 days old and clearly indicates he is delivering software and preparing to deliver more, I think we as a community are getting a damn good deal and I think we as a community should rather keep him building bitcoin software.

Then why don't we start paying all developers, he choose to work for free, I choose to be compensated for my work. Satoshi didn't hold a gun to his head and say "hey you have to do this" he was choose and he accepted. Calling him a slave is crazy talk. I just feel like that foundation is, paying his way and the core developers, honestly I rather see the money go to something more worth while. Why don't they have a booth at CEAS, he is the best one to really talk about bitcoins. Also has anyone noticed you say one thing about the foundation and everyone from that elitist group attacks, this is why it will fail, it is a dictatorship so far. Again 2 business companies and a developer I see trouble ahead.

Then lose the tunnel vision.  There are way more than 2 companies and many developers.  In fact, there will likely be multiple foundations that support the bitcoin economy/infrastructure/software development/legal issues/etc. in time.  Of course it's scary when you are in a tunnel.  Almost everything is darkness.
4135  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Brainwallet recovery problem on: December 29, 2012, 10:43:18 PM
Correct.  The only networking code sends the public address to google to generate a QR code.  That is, unless something is hidden in the jquery file, but it should be easy to compare that against an official version.  Move along tinfoil hat committee.
4136  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: BitCoin apps for iPhone? (without jailbreaking) on: December 29, 2012, 02:46:47 AM
Apple will not delete or modify your apps if they are neutered for extra-legal concerns. You have to intentionally delete them or update them to a neutered version, yourself.

But there is no newer version available.  Also OP seemed to like it after a fresh install two days ago.

Again, where's the reference?

I think that just the QR Code scanning feature was removed in the newer versions..

Other than that, everything is available on the web page anyway, so it's probably just a limited browser application that pins you to their site, and cleans up the interface a little..

I'd love to know if newer versions allow you to buy something by just pointing your camera at a QR code, and then hitting approve/send..


I've still got QR
4137  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Experimental pre-0.8 builds for testing on: December 28, 2012, 10:41:27 PM
Trying to compile the turbo build on linux I get these errors:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshlwapi
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbghelp

It seems to be complaining about windows only libraries being missing.

Which makefile are you using? And which version of the branch (A recent change removed dbghelp altogether, also for windows).

I'm using the makefile generated by the qmake command.

The branch is the most up to date one in your github repository (sipa/bitcoin) head is:
fd95a8ac216b447f429409fde9f8eaef2ae4c339
4138  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Experimental pre-0.8 builds for testing on: December 28, 2012, 12:01:29 PM
Trying to compile the turbo build on linux I get these errors:
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lshlwapi
/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ldbghelp

It seems to be complaining about windows only libraries being missing.
4139  Economy / Economics / Re: Precusors of bitcoin: Private coinage during the early industrial revolution on: December 28, 2012, 09:28:36 AM
Also good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQXeUckvrPM
4140  Economy / Economics / Re: Precusors of bitcoin: Private coinage during the early industrial revolution on: December 28, 2012, 07:35:25 AM
Damn it.

A couple of years ago Selgin was right here (I live in Morgantown, WV, home of WVU).  I'm back in school now and he's not here anymore Sad.
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