The mainstream media is now saying that the kind of pneumonia Clinton has is 'bacterial' and not contagious...as the interview a couple of people on her campaign staff who also have gotten sick with it.

At least Clinton didn't take a 'young blood' transfusion from the poor little kid right there on the street.  Maybe she does that in her basement in Chappaqua where she sped off to after stumbling into the van/ambulance.

(I'm joking somewhat but to be perfectly honest at this point I would put nothing past these freaks.  And Hillary did have that weird blood coagulation problem which Dr. Drew has seen only once in his career.  Blood or anything else in one's cerebral-spinal fluid seriously fucks up one's day!)

Here's what some clever seeming person said about the Woolsey thing:


I couldn't agree more


The reason Flynn appeals to me is that I am sure he is in position to know exactly what he is fighting, and has proven to have been willing to do so.

I feel that Trump also has a pretty good idea else he would not have gotten this far, but nothing like what Flynn knows.  Trump's mis-steps (esp, Pence) cause me some concern.  Trump clearly almost didn't make that mistake but at the end of the day he did (though he probably had some reasons I'm cannot be aware of.)

You seem to have some confidence in the CIA (from some earlier post.)  I consider the CIA to be and have been an elite invention and tool from it's very start, and to have done nothing but having got stronger in this capacity since then.  I don't mean to besmerch all CIA employees and I'm sure there are some good ones, but it is fundamentally flawed, dangerous, and un-American and the leadership keeps it that way in my opinion.  Flynn will have the background to understand this better than Trump and to know how to deal with it.

At the end of the day, supporting Flynn, Trump, or anyone else is something of a Hail Mary and a matter of picking the best odds in a risk-reward scenario.  At least as I see it.  Anyone put up by the modern DNC is, however, a sure-lose bet of course.

Anyone is going to need 8 years to really save what's left of the nation and turn things around.  That would put Trump at 80 years old.  While he seems remarkably able now, 80 years old is asking a lot of anyone in the kind of threat environment in which he will be working.  And again, he has made no pretenses about not really wanting to do it anyway if there exist some other option.

Pence was finished before he started in my book.  TPP.

If anything is a touchstone for who plans to sell out the United States for money it is the TPP issue.  As far as I'm concerned, nobody in politics can mis-understand what the TPP is, and the minority who might are not qualified to do anything more than to sweep the floors in a government building.

You know what?  Forget the Epstein thing.  How about doing Flynn anyway?

Trump has said for 30 years that he doesn't even want the job and all he wants is to not see the U.S. go down the drain.  Win, lose, or draw, Trump has made one hell of a mark already.

I'd vote for Flynn in a heartbeat, and especially if Trump was to be one if his close advisers.

As for VP, Pence was one of my biggest disappointments in Trump's work so far.  I like Sessions just fine on the basis of his recent work.  There are some rumors that he did some 'young republican' mischief or something.  If that is to big a deal then there are countless other people who seem to have America's interests at heart.  Trump himself could probably fill in the VP slot which would be awesome and could help keep hold of the people who have eyes for Trump only (though I suspect that most people who support Trump do so on MAGA principles more than simply on the man.)

If the DNC swaps out their ticket, and especially if they do so as a strategic honey-trap move, it might be a great time to fight fire with fire and do the same.  The big question mark is could the 'good guys' beat the RNC?  Have the taken over sufficient?

I'd be cautions about this.  Alas, there are a fair number of 'party line' Dems who would hold their nose and vote for Hillary but don't like her at all.  A fair fraction of my own family I'm disappointed to report.  A 'fresh face' could actually invigorate them somewhat.  At least enough to drag their asses down to the polling station.

Operationally it could work out OK to let the Populist side go ahead and shoot their wad on Clinton then put someone else up without enough time for the opposition to re-group.  To me this is actually one of the more compelling reasons why the Dems would run a hopelessly corrupt semi-corpse.

I personally would like to know if Trump is a child rapist before I vote for the guy.  The trouble is that both the mainstream media and Obama's justice department are so in the tank for Hillary and so discredited that it would take at the very least well analyzed video for me to believe anything they dug up on Trump.

The converse is not true at all.  I take any suggestion of impropriety against the establishment candidate as worth considering.  Beyond that, I take a claim against (x) on the part of, say, the DNC, to be a fairly good indication of (x) being true.  They and many others really do seem like the proverbial 'compulsive liars' to me.

I've been trying to be as analytical about Trump as I can since I started looking into things since Super Tue.  My conclusion at this point is that the guy is not perfect, but there is actually not much hard and credible information arguing that Trump is particularly bad, and there is even a possibility that he is a fairly decent guy.  Certainly by the standards of the political class.

As always, if someone has compelling evidence against Trump, bring it.  You might have to climb an unfairly steep hill, but you can thank the discredited mainstream media and the corrupt government for this 100%.

Thanks BobLawblaw and/or whoever made the meme:



I dunno of anyone thought of this angle before I, but it sort of dawned on me as I was tapping out the post so I'll take it as an original.  I heard it from Molyneux and Cernovich somewhat after I made the post, and I'm betting that one or both are at least occasional readers of this board.  If it is picked up by Trump himself at some point my life will be complete

In point of actual fact, it really IS somewhat irresponsible to be spreading germs around if one is infected with a bacterial lung infection, and quite 'deplorable' indeed to risk a kid's health just for a politically motivated photo-op.

This is why a central planing team needs a little time to vet and war-game some PR angle and get the choreography right.  Someone fucked up, or as we used to say back in the day, 'stepped on their dick.'

I've been saying for half a year that Hillary will drop out if she has to face Trump.  With her 'health episode' today it looks like we won't have much longer to wait.

Of course the DNC says that it's ridiculous alt-right stuff and that they are not having emergency meetings.  I take this as meaning that that is exactly what is going on.  In fact I'll bet that such meetings have been going on for a while.

So, what do they do?

Sanders?  LOL!  That's a good one.  Watch his sorry old ass decline in a mock offering (and some more bruises on his face if necessary.)

Warren?  I don't think so.  She was being courted earlier but mysteriously 'buried the hatchet' and got off the 'war path.'  Probably the stench of Clinton corruption got to great even for her...after she nicely destroyed herself.  Besides, the banks would never allow it.

Kaine?  The 'vibe' says nope.  He remains VP.

Biden?  I thought so for a long time, but after I saw him trying to feel up every little girl that gets within grabbing distance, I don't think so.  We don't need a Creeper-in-Chief?  It's bad enough that he possesses a penis in the first place after all, and he doesn't have time to have it surgically removed which would qualify him in the eyes of the modern regressive Left.

Pelosi?  That would be my guess.  Half of Hillary's current support are women who admit to voting Hillary on the sole basis that she is also XX chromosome-wise.  Pelosi seems like the most logical choice in my off-hand brain-storming mostly because she can make some claim to having experience.  The people voting for Trump generally detest Pelosi, but they are not going to vote for any Dem anyway.

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Another possibility I just thought of would be for the DNC to run Hillary's corpse with the promise that Bill Clinton would step in.  That would send the party faithful into multiple orgasms of pure ecstasy.  I guess there is some precedent for installing a candidate's spouse here in lower offices.  I guess it is fair to say that one of my Left-tard informants mentioned it a few days ago but I shrugged it off until just now.  Thinking back, I often understand the Left's projects through finding out what sort of programming has been mysteriously (to them) downloaded into their noodle.  So, maybe this is the way the DNC are going to try to play things.

I told someone that when these things happen, the planners need 8 to 12 hours to come up with a story and spread it around and such.  On queue it comes out that Clinton 'has pneumonia'.  Ya, right.  In some respects this is a good cover due to her coughing problems, but the cough that she can't kick (for years) seems to lack production of phlegm judging by the sound.  So, these extended coughing fits don't seem to me a good match for a lung infection.

Clinton collapsed and went to her daughter's (10 million dollar) flat.  90 minutes later she emerged in what has to be the most amusing bit of stagecraft I've seen since Provda in the old Soviet days.  She comes out alone and does her best (with limited success) to pretend that she can walk like a human.  Then someone sends a kid over to get grabbed and slobbered on for the photo-op.

It strike me that if one has pneumonia (story now that she has known since Friday) then it is kind of irresponsible to be getting her germs all over some poor kid.  Especially if it is just to get a media photo which is perfectly and painfully obvious.

Another in my 'if I were Trump' series:

When asked about Clinton's 9/11 memorial 'medical episode', I would

 - make a point of feeling badly for a person in that situation, and how hard it was to watch her trying to soldier on in the midst of minutes long coughing fits.

 - state that it seems 'irresponsible' for her team not to take her to the hospital since she was clearly quite ill and seems to have been for some months.

 - state that it seems kind of 'deplorable' for Clinton's political team to risk her life by not getting her the care she needs just to score some political points.

Here's another idea for the Trump team.  As always, it's probably fairly obvious, but just in case:

Hillary probably cannot do the debates for health reasons.  Her team will(*) try to weasel out by whatever means necessary.

I suggest to just be 100% open and transparent about how to the negotiations are going.  Just state that all they want are an honest forum where the public can compare the candidates ideas and make a good choice.  Offer all kinds of advantages for Hillary (a compfy chair, pillows, earpieces, etc) but be firm in the bedrock principle that the public needs to know Hillary's (or her controller's) mindset and how it compares with that of Trump.

Knowing that the negotiations will fail, prepare a 'mock debate' which is as fair and 'real' as possible, or at least as real as it needs to be.  Choose a debating partner who is actually pretty good and a pretty solid stand-in for Hillary.  Trump's team runs the show (and if they don't like it, do real debates.)

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* Actually, given the 9/11 ceremony 'health crisis' which just happened, I cannot see any realistic alternative but for Hillary to bow out of the race at this point.  Especially with Assanges' 'Oct surprise' coming next week.  In fact, I would not rule out the possibility that the ceremony 'health crisis' was itself a fraud just to give Hillary an excuse to do just that.

Hillary Clinton says that half of the Trump supporters are a 'basket of deplorables' and everyone freaks out.  For my part I have always welcomed it when people say how the feel, so good on her.  I also feel nothing but pride to be considered a 'deplorable' by Hillary Clinton.

For my part I would put nearly 100% of Hillary supporters in a 'basket of deplorables' for the simple reason that the woman is such a demonstrably criminal and awful candidate and human being.  There are some minority Clinton supporters who know and welcome this for more sophisticated political reasons.  I consider these people to be 'deplorable' as well.  Worse than 'deplorable' in fact.

All of the 'responsible adults' in the room want to have a nice society where we nurture each other and heal and blah, blah blah.

The system designers who actually matter want the exact opposite and work successfully to achieve that outcome.

Given this environment, it is rational to ask which of the two strategies actually makes more sense at this moment.  We might have a better outcome if we drive our respectives stakes into the ground and defend our turfs in open war-of-ideas terms and not sugar-coat our feelings about others.  At least the end, whatever it may be, may come sooner.

Fixed the grammatical error for you above.

Actually Jones rails on and on about how he has a much bigger audiance than the mainstream outlets and TYT and etc.  Claims that Drudge has more viewers than Facebook and CNN combined.  Seems incredible, but it would go some distance toward explaining Trump being on top for the presidency in the face of withering attacks from all fronts except the peeps.  (Dems, Repubs, the business world, the mainstream media, etc, etc.)  Also would explain why the establishment candidate and her party are promising to censor the so-called 'alternative' media as soon as they get the chance and that said outlets have  "no right to exist."

I knew this election was going to be a delighful one and it's not letting me down.  Here's one of the better ones.

Rachel Maddow goes off on Infowars for 13 minutes.  Outlines a bunch of the concerns of Jones et-al about such things as estrogen mimicers and whether there is a government/elite program to 'make us gay.'  Also, of course, [\s]he throws in the obligitory lie that Jones believes in 'lizard people.'  Maddow outlines some of Jones overpriced products such as 'super male vitality' (which is somehow to me funny on it's face I'll admit.)

Jones responds by offering the 'Mr. Maddow Special' consisting of the products that Maddow mentioned at a discount.  In doing so Jones honores the woman[?] as the very 'asexual humanoid' that she clearly strives to be.

I might have gone ahead and ordered the Mr. Maddow Special just out of appreciation for the laugh that I got out of this thing but Infowars is hopelessly delinquent in shipping the last (and first) order I made some weeks ago at a gesture of support.  At the end of the day, they and they alone seem to have reporters out on the street and getting actual information from the various rallys and such and I do appreciate that.  Plus, over the years a startling number of 'crazy conspiricy theories' that Jones and company have worked on have panned out.

BTW, I would not actually consume anything that Inforwars sent me just in case the outfit is a deep cover CIA operation (which I have never completely ruled out.)  As an engineer I could not think of a better way to target 'the right' people.  I'll wait until some time and some independant analysis of Jone's concoctions are performed.  Beyond that, we know complents of Snowden that the intel agencies have no compunction about intercepting products between the supplier and the consumer to insert things.

http://www.infowars.com/rachel-maddow-bashes-infowars-com-plugs-products/

What is really funny is that the Clinton crime syndicate probably really did do a pretty thorough job of bleaching a bunch of data and probably don't have very good access to the material themselves in order to prepare.  They themselves might have had to go hat-in-hand to the NSA

How about the 45'th?

If Trump gets assassinated and/or the election is blatantly stolen, and if the United States military and para-militaries decide to not put up with it, they would have my support.  Especially with Flynn heading up the defense.  I say this with an eye toward the experiences in Turkey where such things have seemed to happen in a cycle and the military tends to relinquish power when the existential threats are dealt with.  Obviously a coup is not something I would like to see, but if the alternative is an end to our democracy and constitution, and if it would likely be permanent because it was part of an attempt to solidify a global government, I would choose the coup and do what I could to support it.  Mostly with an eye toward how to recover to a constitutional republic at some point.

With slimy apparatchik Jeh Johnson 'taking over' the elections and with 'oversight' from shadowy foreign groups, it seems quite possible to me that we are being set up for a leader selected by 'globalists' to be installed.  Especially since day by day it is more clear that the actual citizens of the U.S. are not going to be 'voting right' this time around and might be voting for someone who seems to be the globalist project's worst nightmare.

Anyway, I don't think it's premature to start to mull some of this stuff over and evaluate the various options.

Not really by the standards of the Left Coast, and especially up North here in Oregon.  Different from my own, but not by lot.  I happened to have been whip-sawed between a bunch of different environment types, some not probably unlike yours, but that was cool.  I would not have it any other way.

I'd seriously consider 'diversifying' my holdings if I had multiple properties down there...and I would run for the hills if those technocratic Fabian death cult freaks came at me with a needle.  I actually came somewhat close to buying some bare-ish property down there but thought better of it.  Damn glad I did too...I was not aware of some of the hassles that I would have likely faced in trying to do anything with it.

I would also judiciously grow my own from 'heirloom' stock if I was still interested in smoking pot.  As it happened I never became seriously re-interested after my military service when piss-tests made it not worth the hassle.

Datapoint:

I just made a donation to the Trump campaign for the first time.  Standard credit card type (no Bitcoin option unsurprisingly...I broke my rule about never supporting an entity except via Bitcoin.)

I thought it funny that they would not at least send me a thank-you e-mail.  They did, but it didn't show up in my 'inbox' (Google Apps platform.)  I do find it in my 'all mail' box and it seems to have only an 'inbox' tag.  It's not in the 'spam' mailbox.  The email came from 'revv.co'.

In looking around a bit, I noticed this article which might be interesting to some people.  Espeicially those with industry experiance:

https://www.indicative.com/how-the-presidential-candidates-spy-on-their-supporters/

It more-or-less matched my expectations.  Clinton, as the last best globalist technocracy candidate standing, is out in front on this sort of thing.

Fine, but the immediate problem for most large and/or powerful nations is the domestic population.  Beyond that, it is the makeup of the domestic population with respect to certain specific traits.  Nukes might be a last-ditch blunt tool, but a more surgical procedure would produce better results.
 

Now that is interesting.  I have to wonder how much you 'question authority' because of this, how much would be because you have 'wild, free-range' parents, and how much due to other factors.  Such things would be very easy to elucidate (on a system wide scale) with a total health outcome vax vs. unvax study.  Unfortunately it would be 'unethical' not to 'catch you up' with the 'prescribed' vaccination schedule if they caught you so such a study cannot be performed...so they claim.

For my part, as a relative oldster, I got the standard vaccine schedule from back in the day.  And I got all the standard childhood ailments (mumps, chickenpox, etc) the old fashioned way.  As I recall, they were basically less of a hassle than the common cold, and I got to take a week off from school.  No biggie, and I don't recall any of my peers having any more significant problems.  Back in those days the 'autism' rate was something like 1 in 10,000 vs. today's 1 in 50.  I was an 'active' kid and annoying as hell to the teachers.  Some wanted to medicate me even back then before it was 'cool' (an such a cash cow for big pharma) but most did not.  Now I get the flu pretty much like everyone else but it is no big deal.  About every 4th time I might have one day where I take the day off for illness, but normally it is just kind of a drag.  I actually like to get some bug once a year because I believe that it helps keep the immune system active and healthy.  If I go 2 years without a bug the next time I catch something it seems to hit me harder.

I did get an fuck-load of shots in GHW Bush's (and Cheney's at the time) military both for training, and another blast for Gulf-I.  The more I research things, the more I believe that there was quite a bit of experimentation going on with respect to some of these injection regimes.  Thankfully I never seemed to have been significantly impacted as best I can tell, though I remember being as sick as a dog for about a month after both of these two mass dosings.  That could be easily explained just by being around a bunch of people from all over the country.  They would  also call us in individually to receive various shots throughout our service.  I never thought much about it at the time, but lots of people at my duty station were from the same training group so one would think that our periodic boosters would all have the same schedule and I didn't really see a correlation.  The one time I met someone with the same last 4 of my SSN was at one of these 'booster' sessions.

In other words, 'both.'

I honestly would not rule it out, though I suspect that it would be more targeted biologicals rather than nuclear.  Still 'unpopular'...especially to those who don't survive, but who cares about them, right?  Make ready for mandatory adult 'catch-up' vaccinations.