The send-to-email thing was really active in around that same year though? I remember people sending me Coinbase invite back when you didn't need to be a US citizen to sign up and it was through email. You'd just get a message saying hey you have $10 in BTC, and you already have a wallet, just use your email and create a password!

That didn't entice me then, 3 years later I opened my first wallet, and had been told by then all those email wallets aren't secure (rightly so).

I'm not saying that's good, by the way, I still feel using Bitcoin without the likes of Coinbase could be much, much easier. Actually, maybe it already is and I'm not aware?

I've only seen one up close, but seen many models for sale only in Southeast Asia. China (duh) and Japan pretty much make hi-tech models, Japan buys gas from my island, actually we still produce way too much and it all gets burnt off (flaring), so demand still a long way off from supply.

They're always outside! Don't look much different from diesel generators, except you pipe in the gas from a separate canister unit (we don't have piped gas AFAIK in most of SEA).

I've always said this about forwards: you do need to be selfish, at the right times. If you've watched enough games where you're getting 10 chances and they're trying to pass it into goal rather than just shoot, then you know how frustrating it can be. I loved Firmino because he was a foil, but if you play him alone, he's just trying to get everyone else to score instead of trying. That's where/why Salah and Mane were so good, they were selfish enough, and competitive.

So yes, the "downside" is you can get at each other, both trying to score. Anyone who plays also knows the frustration of seeing someone miss when the seemingly obvious option was you -- and that happened with Mane/Salah.

But it's the right kind of selfishness. The assists they both got speak for themselves, and btw, Mane/Salah assist-goal tally was the highest in the league for the 5 years they played together. Only Son/Kane got more in the last 2 seasons, but they operate as a front-two, whereas Mane/Salah are (usually) wingers.

Also, you should watch the AFCON scenes, Mane and Salah as victor/loser, that's where you see the true brotherhood. They had their bad times, as all brothers-in-arm do. I even seen Hendo get worked up with Trent, or with Fabinbo or Thiago, but I would never go so far as to say there was bad blood. In the end, it actually worked for the team rather than against.


The minute Klopp sees this as a problem, he'll fix it. He's not afraid to take players down a peg or two or give them time to cool their head.

Didn't realise today (or yesterday?) euro just hit parity with the US dollar. Mindless printing, rate hikes, expanding reserves held by foreign powers (thinking China on its own anyway) and still the dollar finds a way to flick a finger in the general direction of every other would-be fiat.

I've no doubt it'll crash and burn some ways down the road but not in our lifetime, huh.

Game 1: 46' SPFC 1-0

New kid Carvalho, fullbacks I never heard of before (shame on me) and Bobby leading the line in Thailand, started seeing when down 1-0 to a Sancho goal but we're playing much better (passes, accuracy, attempts). We're now 3-0 down though haha but United playing a proper first eleven!

We do have an entire squad more than United on the bench, so this is going to be some kind of musical chairs game I bet!

Also, didn't realise actually I'd not joined up the pool yet (didn't click on the link Capt'n sent to me till now), though had paid much earlier. #15 to join, hope to see the rest of you gentlemen in there -- only weeks to the first game!

Brilliant, Agbe. Think I've seen your previous posts before -- I always say and repeat: keep things simple, for the sake of simplicity, it's okay to sacrifice technical accuracy so you get the kids motivated and interested. Eventually, we all learn more and correct our assumptions, and realise later some assumptions aren't important to the user

The concern shouldn't be to correct at this stage, but to provide a basic foundation. And perhaps at this stage, it's more of economics than of computer science

I would question teaching trading/investment though, even if it is Bitcoin's biggest use case at the moment, and yes, that is unpopular to accept.

Top news for WC is jerseys, weirdly enough. Mexico looks nice, England is questionable.

Iran also fired their coach so that's weird to do before the tournament!

Mancini promised yesterday to lead Italy to glory, but nah...


I'm not from the West, we're in the same global South, and it also was the same in Malaysia, women confined to the sports you mentioned (my mom played hockey, too).

It required a change in the things I mentioned above to switch things around and once that started, the wave was pretty quick too. Even in "the West", a prime example is Netherlands, who initially banned women's football decades ago! But since the late 1990s at least, started being invested in women's football (facilities, coaches, paid positions) and especially the past ten years they've seen a dramatic improvement in quality and performance. Plus they'll also be the first to introduce mixed football teams.

It does happen fairly quickly if the right things are in place, so that's just how it is in India, and rest of the world. Football in India anyway is underdeveloped even for men. You're a cricket country

Hard to disagree with any of the points brought up, but I did think the chart (and the other information in the link) was an okay starting point -- a lot more useful than having no data on electricity costs. But probably far less useful to someone who actually would want to start mining.

I strongly agree climate plays a role, I know first-hand the debilitating effects on hardware in tropics (heat is one problem but humidity is often overlooked and in some cooler countries the humidity causes problems on a machine that runs non stop). On the other hand, cost of repairs could be far cheaper in some countries with low energy cost anyway, and that could actually offset better than say, insurance and maintenance in more expensive countries.

I guess a true cost calculation is extremely difficult, gear and maintenance, licensing even (approvals to run commercial enterprise or even specialised equipment).

Thank you, that should go to plenty of pizzas, and already paid for my next season's EPL pool.

I saw Klopp's pre- presscon, and he asked the reporters "was it like this when Man Utd came yesterday?" and people were replying "Nooo Noooo" haha.

The Thai fans are quite crazy too, haven't been there myself since 2008 -- but the Reds there still deck out the cafes even when we were plumbing the depths of mid-table boredom haha. Sportsbet reunion #4??

All well, always appreciate the shout out, brother. See you Istanbul maybe huh!

CLS63 slaman29 yeah haha, I'm one of those guys who doesn't give the time of day to freespins, and then this one comes along and pops it all at me, think it was something like a 350x boost on the win, I definitely get the pull of slots for these once-in-a-while big prize wins.

Anyway, super promo event for me, all in all just a bit over 5 mbtc profit (including the outright win) for a 1 mbtc outlay. And honestly, Wimbledon was pretty awesome for me betting blindly most of the times (and a couple of spot-on tips from Trofo, whose tennis bets I'd follow all day!).

It's the same with all the pools, consistency wins the day. It's like City really, you can afford to lose more times than Liverpool and still win the title as you win more games. Liverpool don't lose so much but fell short as they couldn't get a win out of draws. Sorry for football reference.

Look forward to see Mercedes bring it to the table then, I'm a complete neutral so a race to the wire is that excites me most.


Not more sure than I am haha, but glad you're enjoying it. It's a game of patience and cool. Can be tempting to put in outrageous picks but you'll only fall behind on one failed gamble. Enjoy the freebets!

Well, the whole point is that it's just as easily able to fall through support as it is to break resistance -- in normal market conditions. But we're not really in any regular conditions, sentiment is so fragile that any development from macro trends seems to send either jitters throughout or boost confidence -- and that only for a moment.

I'd love to say we're headed back to bullish but there simply isn't enough signs of that, while there's plenty of bad news pain left around the corner.

But the methodology is based on cost of power -- you can open the original link shared and dig in deeper. Which is why I commented that this pricing isn't entirely accurate, it's only based on commercial consumption cost by directly connecting to power grids. As you know, not all miners would do that, and not all miners pay the same rates -- like it used to be in China, where they'd be able to negotiate independent rates with state energy providers. If the other stats are true (like from Bitcoin Policy Institute numbers) then most miners already are on renewables and alternative energy sources -- so I doubt most of them are paying these rates.

The data's just indicative of how much you'd pay if you just decided to plug in and mine.

Yup, and we saw that the last rate hike too, all that nosediving happened an entire week before the actual announcement, and as soon as the 0.75 rate was confirmed, we actually saw a recovery. Not sure now how it'll all look like as we look headed down to test 20k again before US Monday arrives, but I suspect we'll see a repeat recovery IF rate is the same. Job numbers actually was surprisingly good so if the rate hike is a little lower than expected then we could very well see a strong surge out of oversold area.

Just came across this, published last month, but don't recall seeing anything like it on the forum, so just sharing.

Original article by 911 Metallurgist, it's got the rates for some other crypto too but I'm just going to share the one for Bitcoin: Cost to mine 1 Bitcoin in every country.


I knew Asia was expensive, but not THAT expensive. Also, I think this is the cost of grid electricity. I know in my part of the world, for example, some miners want to experiment with natural gas generators. Far, far cheaper, no one would plug into the grid!

Kuwait, though!

CSL63's third yellow cap, I knew he was a long-game hustler, watch out for him in the football pools Well done, bastards.

Second sub-10 point race for me, amazed to still be in 6th -- it looks catchable, 12 points away "only" but every race the margins are so tight it's going to take a lot of mistakes for top boys right now.

Anyone else really happy with Hamilton?

Looks like we're going to just about fall short of a Sunday stand, some selling pressure just as N America stirred, and we're only hours away from Asian markets opening, though I suppose the good news is that 20k does seem like serious support. Some FUD from Mt Gox as usual, and then we should hear more about some US and Asian macros next week. See you all next Sunday, I guess.

^^Yeah, quite pleased to have met Pascal on forum, he went on to do some interviews and then introduced us to his wider network of Bitcoin artists, also very cool people and actually artistic...  Offence meant to the majority of NFT artists heh.

Nanu Berks was another we interviewed after they did an exhibit in France, Argentinian IIRC.

Also to note they were part of a broader movement back then (the yellow jackets in France) so I dig those kinds of art and activism. And Bitcoin spoke loudly for them.

Man what a battle. Going to have to tear away to deal with real life but hope Nick pulls off the 4th set to take it all the way. Should end up with a small profit regardless of result, hedged all the way. Live odds weren't as interesting as I imagined. Bookies refused to budge on Djokovic despite the Aussie's serve masterclass in set 1.