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421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 06, 2014, 07:00:55 AM
IMHO, but I don't perceive an "anti-marketing sentiment". More like being conservative right now to stay behind the noise of Mtgox and Auroracoin and whatever new IPO coin of the week. Once the new website design goes up, a broader community is formed, the web wallet goes up, we get the security review done, and the GUI is improved, then absolutely go all out.

+1, valid point, good to match the PR with progress.

website should be at the least collecting emails into a mailchimp account, i made the mistake of not doing this early on with the mastercoin.org website and probably lost out on a couple 1000s of emails when msc hit coinmartketcap.

+1

You don't need a polished product to start working on marketing, advertising and PR (yes, all different things)..
422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 06, 2014, 06:23:47 AM
Should I make an easy install/instructional program/aide that allows user to have a walkthrough/semi-auto install process to guide them through the installation ? Maybe make it easier for some users until we get a lightweight GUI or web wallet ?

Anything helps, especially if the autoinstall is simple and futureproof. Right now even understanding the protocol is a challenge to most, so if you are not inclined to make an autoinstall, anything in that area that would also be helpful.

I needs to be easy for people to part with their money, and that will be the best thing to happen to xcp.
423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 03:11:29 PM
Phantom is working on the spec. right now,  and I have posted a wiki on assets (which includes information on issuing assets, trading on the DEX, paying dividends, etc.): https://wiki.counterparty.co/w/Assets.

The wiki on broadcasts and bets is undergoing another revision right now and will be up shortly. Between these two wikis, Counterparty's basic functionality ought to be covered.

The wikis have had to undergo several revisions in order to become more user-friendly, and any criticisms/suggestions are greatly appreciated, and, for the assets wiki, can be posted here: https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/topic,142.msg962.html#msg962.

Thanks, that's great to know. Once it's comprehensive enough, I'll get started on creating a guide "for dummies". I hope this will help get the community started on a bit more 'outsider interaction', because currently XCP is fragile in terms of PR.


Yeah, unfortunately this is way too complex for the average person at the moment. And I don't think WIKI and Github links are the best method for explanation for laymen, because of the marketing 'aspect' or 'flavor' that they add to the conveyed information. 
424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 03:03:24 PM

Meets exactly 0 of the criteria, but thanks for playing.
425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 02:40:07 PM
Did Satoshi provided on day 1 a light wallet, a web wallet and 1000% profit for free? No. Not even after a year.

No, but he provided a whitepaper.
I don't see a XCP whitepaper anywhere. You are thinking in way too complicated terms. Not light wallet, web wallet, or anything like that. All people need is a simple explanation. People can act as smart and arrogant as they want, but it won't make the general majority learn anything.

And trust me I would take 1000 clueless noobs over basement dwellers who fancy themselves as the protagonist of Good Will Hunting throwing racial epiphets around.

Text is much easier to write than code, and yet the only real information is buried here on a forum called Bitcointalk. I've even offered to put up my own money to pay people to create an infographic or animated explanation video, if only someone could write a really simple explanation.
426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 12:33:28 PM
Why not install a Linux VM? It's a good idea to improve security anyway. you can also wait for the web client.

Why does the majority of people in the world use Mac or Windows? Why don't they just compile their own operating systems and software?

I have linux on my other pc and it's working fine, it's just that stuff like this discourages a lot of people. I think updating the instructions or build is trivial, but to 90% of the people its the difference between adoption and giving up. In the past week, I've met at least 5 people interested in XCP. They wanted to invest their BTC. But the process was too difficult, and the instructions were wrong. You click through link and link, download python and dependencies, before realizing that it doesn't work.

Most of them gave up entirely, and a small fraction took their business to a centralized exchange and are risking their money. You have to consider that 90% of people don't even know how to get to the instructions from the front page (counterparty.co). Then they come here and most likely get the reaction that "QQ noob, u l0s3 headsh0t" and they move their finances to a different game in town.

Now if you own any XCP whatsoever, and condone this, then you are basically creating negative marketing. People will not be magically drawn to XCP simply because the protocol is amazing and revolutionary. People are fundamentally affected by ideology and presentation. Steve Jobs didn't become a billionaire by making his products impossible to use.

Just look at Dogecoin. It has no innovation, but its appeal to human stupidity created much more publicity than XCP can ever achieve with this attitude.
427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 11:38:52 AM
This is alpha code with commits coming in every single day. Get some skills to make your own build, or just keep it quiet.
Beggars can't be choosers. And devs have way better things to do, than accommodating clown's request, thanks.

If this is too difficult for you or not going fast enough, please feel free to sell all that you have on poloniex right now and never come back. Go cry and complain like a french girl somewhere else, thanks.

Acting like an elitist snob and making innovation inaccessible to end users will not get you far. It will end up in a nerd circlejerk that is constantly confused why 'all the clowns and plebs' do not adopt their 'amazing new innovation'.

I'm not surprised you're so focused on crying French girls, because if I dated you, I would be crying too.
428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 10:37:26 AM
Can the devs please build 6.3 for windows??!??!

I've installed python and I'm trying to install all the other dependencies but I just get the error "Python 3.3 needs to be installed, not found in registry" or "Python 3.2 needs to be installed, not found in registry".

I installed fucking python 3.2, 3.3, and 3.3.4. None of this helps.

Come the hell on
429  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: BTC Stolen from Poloniex on: March 04, 2014, 09:55:51 AM
Devs should really sell shares of poloniex using the XCP protocol, and then sell 12.5% to cover the missing BTC..
430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: March 04, 2014, 09:40:32 AM
is it still possible to transfer xcp from poloniex?!?!?! busoni I'm disappointed. Everyone should just use the DEX already, this is ridiculous.
431  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: February 27, 2014, 02:24:16 PM
If anyone can explain counterparty in super simple terms, I will fund an infographic to be made and edit all the text.

Please add your ideas.

Requirements:

It needs to explain the protocol and its utility.

It needs to be understood by even the most retarded moron.

It needs to explain the benefits to someone who has never done something like this before.
432  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty Protocol, Client and Coin (built on Bitcoin) - Official on: February 25, 2014, 10:24:30 AM
XCP is being sold so hilariously low right now. I wonder what the sellers will be thinking in a few months.


Ether-rum and Masterbatercoin are overstepping their bounds trying to dazzle people with theatrics, but the fact is that Counterparty represents a massive paradigm shift on its own.

XCP is the only system that isn't an overblown, overhyped Bitcoin clone with unnecessarily fancy proof of work algorithms. It has serious utility. For example take a look at "Neo & Bee" in Cyprus. These people are selling shares for Bitcoins. Once the GUI client and graphical tutorial are finished, we need to start contacting people like that.

To be honest, I would only sell at 0.009 if I were having a high intensity war PTSD or something. Or Bitcoin suddenly went insane in price, but that would arguably be reflected in XCP once it has a strong enough presense. But anyway, this is really a good time to recollect all the information about the project. Familiarize yourself with the concept until you can explain it with relative fluency and we can grow the community.
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