I'm not tech savvy at all but I'll be really interested in trying to set up my one master node pretty soon.
I guess I'd feel better if my coins stayed in cold storage, then it would remain pretty secure in itself no matter my mistakes (although I'm not doing it if i'm not certain I'm putting enough protections)
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I'm going to go ahead and quote myself for effect, because I think this is important:
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I hate to say this, but handing out an ISO for a MN built by a competent person is in a very real way analogous to handing out condoms to horny teenagers. You can tell them not to fuck all you want, but they're still going to do it. At least if they have rubbers they're less likely to get the drip-dick or pregnant.
In this case, if MNs get a rep for being a major Achilles heel to the coin and people start looking elsewhere, we're all screwed. All of us.
It's not my preference, believe me, but in the bigger picture it may be the safer thing to do. Anyone who's ever run a business will understand the need to eat a shit sandwich for the greater good now and then.
And I'll requote you for bigger effect  I'm not sure if we need an official ISO, or published best practices, or lectures, or whatever. But we need something to avoid people losing coins and damaging our image. I believe that most people who are running masternodes are eager to learn about this if they don't know enough. And no matter how competent each one is, everyone can use some more ideas on how to secure his masternode. |
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Maybe all the FUD, attacks, etc. in the last month have left me skittish -- but I wonder even in the short term what might happen to the coin if there is an organized effort to hurt DRK based around pools cheating. If Evan does go through with this then I hope I am just worrying over nothing.
If? It is a given that at least half the pools and big farms (a lot of them nowadays) won't be paying. So the 20% will be more like 10% for the masternodes, =what they were expecting anyway. But it will be a disproportionate weight to the "fair" pools. The whole thing to appease investors with "ok guys no hard forks" and bagholders of masternodes with "ok guys you'll get 20%" is sketchy. I know I'm harsh but I like things to go right  Price is price. It'll go up, down, sideways etc. Let it be. All the price attention is having an impact in development. Development must proceed as planned so we can have the final product, nice and polished - no matter if it takes 1-2-3 or 5 hardforks and no matter if investors are bitching that they are losing masternode income because the implementation is late. Do they want to have masternodes of a coin that is GOOD or do they want to have a masternode of a coin that is doing hack-arounds? The masternode protocol works, the masternode payments work (we saw them - it's not vapor), it's just that there is something introducing instability which has to be debugged and sorted out. If the origin is difficult to trace, then perhaps a different mechanism can be used for doing the payments (not voluntarily) We also need improvements in DarkSend. The competition (MRO) is integrating I2P (as we've said) and XC will be using encrypted communication between nodes (as it has been said of DRK's future plans as well). I know this sounds like a mom's "to-do list" to the child until she gets back home, but priorities are priorities, and price or reaching litecoin immediately are not a priority. If the code is sorted out and the product delivered in final form, LTC will start rolling down. Too fast of a price rise with a half-baked product is problematic. LTC can't compete anyway in fundamentals like inflation (10x the BTCs to absorb LTC production compared to DRK) or innovation so they will be dead anyway by debasement. #2 is a given. Preserving #2 is not due to the competition. Who is gonna buy 300k USD of LTCs per day? It'll go 0.019 -> 18 -> 17 over time. It doesn't look that "hot" of a property. Only buys will be for cost-averaging buys at 0.025+. Having said that about the #2 competition, the anonymity competition actually looks pretty lame (BCN and clones too many issues, XC mostly vapor for now but that could change a few months ahead as they seem to have the prospects of delivering a product similar to what Evan has at like 70-80% completion). But we can't base our strategy on others failing or being pumps & dumps that are "threatening" us due to pumps => we must excel and take the market. Then bring V2 for "fatality". Otherwise the risk is there for more serious contenders appearing. My 2 duffs. I'm with you. Of course I want my MNs to start paying asap and I want the price to stay high so my kness don't shake. But I prefer to wait for the payments and fear the price if that brings a better built coin. I'm not a coder and I can only imagine the stress of Sunday/Monday mess, but if another hard fork is needed, let's have another hard fork. This time we can prepare better, communicate better and coordinate better. We can have the fucking perfect coin if we are open to some pain along the way. Personally, I don't give a crap if my MNs ever pay anything at all - that's not why I have them. I'm far more interested in Darksend and the coin's anonymity features. However, I also recognize the reality of the situation. Investors have put the coin where it's at and they want their pound of flesh. Which is fine, I suppose. Not ideal from a development standpoint, but that's the way the world works. Evan seems to be doing his best to find a way to balance everything, and nobody seems to be offering any helpful suggestions on how to do that beyond advocating for their own particular interest. Going too far one way or the other is not a luxury the dev has, so maybe focus a little more on helping find a middle ground would be more beneficial than the current tack? Just my 2 cents. Maybe you are right and we need to find a middle ground. What I was trying to say is (and I belive that the previous posters were on the same boat): Evan, don't worry about us, we'll be here no matter what happens with the price. Feel free to do hard forks if you feel it is what the coin needs. Yea Hard Forks aren't a big deal. Bitcoin went through them, every coin went through them...All you have to do is Update your wallet and its good... From a user point of view you only need to do that, but from the coin it is a bit more complex. You need pools and exchanges to update, and that has proven to be not that easy. I'm for them when needed, but they can't be trivialized. |
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Maybe all the FUD, attacks, etc. in the last month have left me skittish -- but I wonder even in the short term what might happen to the coin if there is an organized effort to hurt DRK based around pools cheating. If Evan does go through with this then I hope I am just worrying over nothing.
If? It is a given that at least half the pools and big farms (a lot of them nowadays) won't be paying. So the 20% will be more like 10% for the masternodes, =what they were expecting anyway. But it will be a disproportionate weight to the "fair" pools. The whole thing to appease investors with "ok guys no hard forks" and bagholders of masternodes with "ok guys you'll get 20%" is sketchy. I know I'm harsh but I like things to go right Price is price. It'll go up, down, sideways etc. Let it be. All the price attention is having an impact in development. Development must proceed as planned so we can have the final product, nice and polished - no matter if it takes 1-2-3 or 5 hardforks and no matter if investors are bitching that they are losing masternode income because the implementation is late. Do they want to have masternodes of a coin that is GOOD or do they want to have a masternode of a coin that is doing hack-arounds? The masternode protocol works, the masternode payments work (we saw them - it's not vapor), it's just that there is something introducing instability which has to be debugged and sorted out. If the origin is difficult to trace, then perhaps a different mechanism can be used for doing the payments (not voluntarily) We also need improvements in DarkSend. The competition (MRO) is integrating I2P (as we've said) and XC will be using encrypted communication between nodes (as it has been said of DRK's future plans as well). I know this sounds like a mom's "to-do list" to the child until she gets back home, but priorities are priorities, and price or reaching litecoin immediately are not a priority. If the code is sorted out and the product delivered in final form, LTC will start rolling down. Too fast of a price rise with a half-baked product is problematic. LTC can't compete anyway in fundamentals like inflation (10x the BTCs to absorb LTC production compared to DRK) or innovation so they will be dead anyway by debasement. #2 is a given. Preserving #2 is not due to the competition. Who is gonna buy 300k USD of LTCs per day? It'll go 0.019 -> 18 -> 17 over time. It doesn't look that "hot" of a property. Only buys will be for cost-averaging buys at 0.025+. Having said that about the #2 competition, the anonymity competition actually looks pretty lame (BCN and clones too many issues, XC mostly vapor for now but that could change a few months ahead as they seem to have the prospects of delivering a product similar to what Evan has at like 70-80% completion). But we can't base our strategy on others failing or being pumps & dumps that are "threatening" us due to pumps => we must excel and take the market. Then bring V2 for "fatality". Otherwise the risk is there for more serious contenders appearing. My 2 duffs. I'm with you. Of course I want my MNs to start paying asap and I want the price to stay high so my kness don't shake. But I prefer to wait for the payments and fear the price if that brings a better built coin. I'm not a coder and I can only imagine the stress of Sunday/Monday mess, but if another hard fork is needed, let's have another hard fork. This time we can prepare better, communicate better and coordinate better. We can have the fucking perfect coin if we are open to some pain along the way. Personally, I don't give a crap if my MNs ever pay anything at all - that's not why I have them. I'm far more interested in Darksend and the coin's anonymity features. However, I also recognize the reality of the situation. Investors have put the coin where it's at and they want their pound of flesh. Which is fine, I suppose. Not ideal from a development standpoint, but that's the way the world works. Evan seems to be doing his best to find a way to balance everything, and nobody seems to be offering any helpful suggestions on how to do that beyond advocating for their own particular interest. Going too far one way or the other is not a luxury the dev has, so maybe focus a little more on helping find a middle ground would be more beneficial than the current tack? Just my 2 cents. Maybe you are right and we need to find a middle ground. What I was trying to say is (and I belive that the previous posters were on the same boat): Evan, don't worry about us, we'll be here no matter what happens with the price. Feel free to do hard forks if you feel it is what the coin needs. |
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So yesterday somebody lost his 1000 drk on amazon ec2? I went to sleep when that began and cannot find the conclusion, he did not secure his server and got hacked from another amazon server over smb? Is amazon still recommend?
It was unsecured, very very very very very unsecured. Hilariously so. And, as far as I know, it was never said where it was hosted. There was another post by another person saying that he found Amazon insecure because the server could be attacked from inside Amazon network, but it was unrelated to the hacked one. |
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We are falling to 5th position !
We all need to stop looking at the price every two minutes and focus on what has made darkcoin big: innovation. We should be discussing ideas to improve and promote darkcoin and let day traders worry about the price. Traders are also important, they give liquidity to the market, but darkcoin can't be managed with a price chart. |
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Maybe all the FUD, attacks, etc. in the last month have left me skittish -- but I wonder even in the short term what might happen to the coin if there is an organized effort to hurt DRK based around pools cheating. If Evan does go through with this then I hope I am just worrying over nothing.
If? It is a given that at least half the pools and big farms (a lot of them nowadays) won't be paying. So the 20% will be more like 10% for the masternodes, =what they were expecting anyway. But it will be a disproportionate weight to the "fair" pools. The whole thing to appease investors with "ok guys no hard forks" and bagholders of masternodes with "ok guys you'll get 20%" is sketchy. I know I'm harsh but I like things to go right Price is price. It'll go up, down, sideways etc. Let it be. All the price attention is having an impact in development. Development must proceed as planned so we can have the final product, nice and polished - no matter if it takes 1-2-3 or 5 hardforks and no matter if investors are bitching that they are losing masternode income because the implementation is late. Do they want to have masternodes of a coin that is GOOD or do they want to have a masternode of a coin that is doing hack-arounds? The masternode protocol works, the masternode payments work (we saw them - it's not vapor), it's just that there is something introducing instability which has to be debugged and sorted out. If the origin is difficult to trace, then perhaps a different mechanism can be used for doing the payments (not voluntarily) We also need improvements in DarkSend. The competition (MRO) is integrating I2P (as we've said) and XC will be using encrypted communication between nodes (as it has been said of DRK's future plans as well). I know this sounds like a mom's "to-do list" to the child until she gets back home, but priorities are priorities, and price or reaching litecoin immediately are not a priority. If the code is sorted out and the product delivered in final form, LTC will start rolling down. Too fast of a price rise with a half-baked product is problematic. LTC can't compete anyway in fundamentals like inflation (10x the BTCs to absorb LTC production compared to DRK) or innovation so they will be dead anyway by debasement. #2 is a given. Preserving #2 is not due to the competition. Who is gonna buy 300k USD of LTCs per day? It'll go 0.019 -> 18 -> 17 over time. It doesn't look that "hot" of a property. Only buys will be for cost-averaging buys at 0.025+. Having said that about the #2 competition, the anonymity competition actually looks pretty lame (BCN and clones too many issues, XC mostly vapor for now but that could change a few months ahead as they seem to have the prospects of delivering a product similar to what Evan has at like 70-80% completion). But we can't base our strategy on others failing or being pumps & dumps that are "threatening" us due to pumps => we must excel and take the market. Then bring V2 for "fatality". Otherwise the risk is there for more serious contenders appearing. My 2 duffs. I'm with you. Of course I want my MNs to start paying asap and I want the price to stay high so my kness don't shake. But I prefer to wait for the payments and fear the price if that brings a better built coin. I'm not a coder and I can only imagine the stress of Sunday/Monday mess, but if another hard fork is needed, let's have another hard fork. This time we can prepare better, communicate better and coordinate better. We can have the fucking perfect coin if we are open to some pain along the way. |
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I bet coinzcoinzcoinz is now laughing tears after buying 44 BTC worth of DRK at 0,015 xD
He must be, I only bought like 1.5 BTC at 0.014 and can't stop laughing, so 44 BTC must be crazy |
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...what the fuck is wrong with all of you  Well, I kill people and I eat hands, that's two things.... My lust for the blood of the stupid can never be sated... And I like it that way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-vsynsE8RQCamo, I love you, you know ? Get a room! |
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As far as I understood it, Evan is planning Masternodes to be able to hold more than 1000 DRK, which would highten their chances to get payments.
I don`t quite get the logic. Doesn`t it weaken the network, because people will concentrate their DRK in fewer Masternodes?
And by the way, it screws people who paid a couple of VPN for a year...
He's said that, but I don't believe there is a timeline yet. I think you are right if the number of MNs decreases a lot, but for what we've seen this last few days, we have plenty. On the other hand, for someone with several masternodes it maybe be easier to maintain/upgrade just one with more drk than many of them with 1k. |
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so, if master nodes do not pay atm owners can sell coins?
They always can, just need to stop masternode and then can sell. But most don't want  |
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Has Evan put out an official statement about the next step/timing?
That might stop the speculation and silence the trolls (it's funny how they're nowhere to be seen during DRK's growth).
Not yet, he is probably catching some sleep. I've been told humans do this once in a while. |
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And the ship goes down, you better be ready. Next step downwards achieved yo. 0.017 > 0.02 it's a UP for me sorry I thought that was a 'bigger than' sign instead of an arrow and I was worried about your math skills  |
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Is there or will be there some information that brings the things happend yesterday together.
Information about the schedule for the next things to come up would also be fine.
I know devs had a lot of to do and many thanks for their work.
As i sent all my DRK to my wallet i didnīt touch any yesterday. That was a good decision to protect
against yourself doing somthing wrong during panik phase.
I did read the last 50 pags but dindnīt find out if masternodes payment is off for now or not.
The only i can remeber is a short code that shows that old running masternodes get kicked out.
There is no new agenda yet. I guess we'll have something soon. No moving around is the right thing to do during a fork. Masternodes are not being paid anymore. Yesterday emergency fork was to stop the payments that had started a few hours before because there were some problems with the voting code and the network was forking. As soon as things get shorted out payments should come back, but it will probably take some time because things need to be tested extensively to prevent further problems. |
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ENOUGH WITH ALL THIS MAKE YOUR OWN DIY MASTERNODE CRAP! Look where it has gotten us.
If this is going to work, then before masternode payments come back online there needs to be a hardened and official image release in windows and in linux for a masternode. Also any updates needs to be point and click official masternode updates!
It needs to be guaranteed that there are NOT ROUGE masternodes on old updates or bad setups working together to fork payments.
I fail to see how this would have any impact. I call custom darkcoind implementations on exchanges and pools as the problem. Got goxxed from the other end, so to speak. Evan comments in Darkcointalk lead into that direction. |
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Still, this is a serious issue right now. I've been on the correct blockchain all this time, and now I seem to be off. So we're still splitting up, which means the exchanges could be all off as well, which means we can't know if any of the trading, etc... is valid until we get the blockchain to settle. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER, EVER, BUT ONLY FUCKING NEVER move your crypto during a hard fork! NO! NOT EVER! NEVER! Buying and selling? There aren't even words for that one... Stupid people caused this. I haven't moved my DRK for weeks. Why? My DRK is solid on any chain, because two weeks back, they're all the same... The announcement was made how long ago? THIS!! THIS!! THIS!! People, stop moving the fucking coins around!! Stop Breathe Update. Maybe update again, new versions all the time. Wait for further instructions. You may miss a chance or two of doing some arbitrage. You may also miss getting all us into trouble. |
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There is no link for the giveaway form.
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Btw, I believe I should have been received coins from the third stage. But I haven't yet.
I was also third phase but I pulled my investment. Too many mistakes in my opinion. Wish you all good luck. Maybe you'll make me regret it |
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I hope the dev releases a press release when he wakes up with news of what happened yesterday and details on next steps. Really needed.
Errr, what happened yesterday? This thread moves to fast I miss half of the info... Hard fork to start paying masternodes. It went quite well but smaller problems to be solved yet. Some people are getting nervous because devs sleep for a few hours every other day. |
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darkcointalk down for anyone else?
Yeap. Owner was about to migrate to new servers to manage increased traffic, so it maybe that. He said there would be some downtime. |
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