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4201  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: This noob on: October 09, 2013, 06:21:28 AM
Hello there.
4202  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: bitcoin wallet backup on: October 09, 2013, 06:20:12 AM
hi
im a little new to the scene.
suppose i have 47 btc in my wallet, what happens if:

1. i have to format my computer
2. my computer gets lost

from what i know my bitcoin address is based on my computer and i can copy the wallet.dat and that is enough for backing up my bitcoins.

is there anything else i should do to safeguard the coins?

PS: i dont want to use online wallets

Export your private keys in some plaintext format and store them offline.  On a usb key, on a piece of paper, whatever.  The crucial thing is to have your private keys (and your public addresses) in some accessible format (to you) which is inaccessible to the world (maybe it's in your sock drawer).  The other thing to remember is this: the LOCKSS rule: 'lots of copies keeps stuff safe'.
4203  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Convert blockchain to XML? on: October 09, 2013, 06:17:58 AM
If there's a way to do it (not manually of course) my life would be as many times easier as there are bitcoins belonging to Hal Finney.
It would be in this format:
Code:
<CHAIN>
<BLOCK>
<HEIGHT>1</HEIGHT>
<MINER>SATOSHI NAKAMOTO</MINER>
<HASH>00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048</HASH>
<MERKLE>0e3e2357e806b6cdb1f70b54c3a3a17b6714ee1f0e68bebb44a74b1efd512098</MERKLE>
<PREV>000000000019d6689c085ae165831e934ff763ae46a2a6c172b3f1b60a8ce26f</PREV>
<NEXT>000000006a625f06636b8bb6ac7b960a8d03705d1ace08b1a19da3fdcc99ddbd</NEXT>
<NONCE>2573394689</NONCE>
<BYTES>209</BYTES>
<V>1</V>
<TXS>0001</TXS>
<BTC>00050</BTC>
<DIFF>00000000001</DIFF>
<REWARD>50.00000000</REWARD>
<TIMESTAMP>01-09-09 0254:25</TIMESTAMP>
<RECIEVED>01-09-09 0254:25</RECIEVED>
<SINCE>463160</SINCE>
</BLOCK>
<BLOCK>
<HEIGHT>2</HEIGHT>
<MINER>MINER UNKNOWN</MINER>
<HASH>000000006a625f06636b8bb6ac7b960a8d03705d1ace08b1a19da3fdcc99ddbd</HASH>
<MERKLE>9b0fc92260312ce44e74ef369f5c66bbb85848f2eddd5a7a1cde251e54ccfdd5</MERKLE>
<PREV>00000000839a8e6886ab5951d76f411475428afc90947ee320161bbf18eb6048</PREV>
<NEXT>000000082b5015589a3fdf2d4baff403e6f0be035a5d9742c1cae6295464449</NEXT>
<NONCE>1639830024</NONCE>
<BYTES>209</BYTES>
<V>1</V>
<TXS>0001</TXS>
<BTC>00050</BTC>
<DIFF>00000000001</DIFF>
<REWARD>50.00000000</REWARD>
<TIMESTAMP>01-09-09 0255:44</TIMESTAMP>
<RECIEVED>01-09-09 0255:44</RECIEVED>
<SINCE>000075</SINCE>
</BLOCK>
</CHAIN>
SINCE being the number of seconds elapsed between that block and the previous block,
and MINER being left as MINER UNKNOWN until modified manually.
I have noooo idea how to take the chain and reformat it like this, but it is going towards a really awesome project which looks like this.

Ignore the rows filled with x's. It will soon be the number of confirmations!
Anyways, if anyone would spill some experience on this, I would be forever grateful.

Are you asking for someone to reformat the blockchain in xml as you have above?  Or to take your xml blockchain and style it as you have presented below?  I'd probably use python or perl for the former, and XSLT for the latter.  PM me if you want to offer some bitcoins for this work.
4204  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Free Bitcoin Market on: October 09, 2013, 06:15:30 AM
Our website is just a place where people can sell or buy some sort of thing. It's absolutely free of charge and it's up to you what kind of stuff you're selling.

We cant reveal your IP or other information, so it's safe if you gonna sell something that in your country is not allowed  Wink

any body can join your site for selling and buying and which things allowed can you expain some ?

Yes, anyone can join our website and sell or buy. You're free of charge. We dont take any commissions! We just a place like a market in city where you can stay whole day long and trying sell your stuff except in our website you stay in a dark and buyer just see your goods, but dont see your face

We do not impose any restrictions except child porn.

lol the 'restriction of child porn'.  I hope that doesn't mean i'm restricted to only child porn.
4205  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Free Bitcoin Market on: October 09, 2013, 06:14:24 AM
Because it's a tor hidden service  Smiley and cannot be accessed without TOR


what is TOR I am hearing first time this and why this is must for visit your site

tor = the onion router, an anonymity tool/network.  use the wikipedia.  if you're on a debian flavored linux, simply apt-get install tor.
4206  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Hi, it's another newbie on: October 08, 2013, 05:50:55 AM
Hiya and thanks for the faucet list.
4207  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Bitcoin wallet help on: October 08, 2013, 05:50:14 AM
Yes, I think you'll need the private key to do anything.  I'd make a backup of your mobile phone and then start looking at the logcat output when you try to open the android wallet.  Maybe there's a clue there as to why it's crashing and you can fix that.  If you *do* get it to open, be sure to back up your private keys somewhere safe.
4208  Other / Meta / Re: About the recent attack on: October 08, 2013, 05:45:04 AM
So, if there are so many problems with SMF, why does thermos still use it?  There must be some open-source forum software that could be used.   At least in that case the skills of the thousands of people using this forum and offering opinions about the code could be put to some profitable use.  Right? 
4209  Other / Meta / Re: About the recent attack on: October 07, 2013, 06:52:55 PM
In the reddit thread...
[snip]

Theymos says it was someone from SA, How does he know that? If he KNOWS who it was, why not tell us all?

[snip]


What's SA?
Something Awful, often abbreviated to SA, is a comedy website housing a variety of content, including blog entries, forums, feature articles, digitally edited pictures, and humorous media reviews.

Thanks!   "SA" was too generic to google without some further context. Smiley
4210  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: hi on: October 07, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
Wow, that's amazing.  Enjoy your newfound riches my friend!
4211  Other / Meta / Re: About the recent attack on: October 07, 2013, 06:38:12 PM
In the reddit thread...
[snip]

Theymos says it was someone from SA, How does he know that? If he KNOWS who it was, why not tell us all?

[snip]


What's SA?
4212  Economy / Gambling / Re: *NEW* Peerbet Wheel** FREE 0.001BTC! * Play Raffles Without House Edge! on: September 30, 2013, 10:35:36 PM
Did I already ask for this one?  I'm tspacepilot on peerbet.
4213  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 10:28:37 PM

Salty, I think I see your point about reducing this to a categorical notion.  However, I disagree wholeheartedly.  Tf is currently holding my reputation ransom for 0.5BTC.  He started off demanding 1.5BTC  (an amount I dont even have!).  If tf's ransom demand was 0.001btc I would probably just pay him to make this go away and hope that he didnt come back demanding more at a later date.  In any case I would be able to provide evidence from this forum where he and I made an agreement and if he didn't fulfill his part of the bargain that would also be public knowledge.  As things stand, there is 0 evidence regarding whatever I "owe" him (scare quotes because I don't believe I owe him anything).  Yet I am liable for any amount he chooses andmy only recourse (it seems) is to decry the blackmail in this thread.  I really feel that the numbers domatter here because they are a) unsupported by evidence and b) my rep is being held liable for those amounts.

I don't think hes so much holding your reputation randsom, as he explained 1.5BTC was what it seemed you had gotten, and .5BTC is what it seems now. I'm sure he could actually check and find an exact number of coins that he lost.

The Reputation system works however people want it to work. There is no protocol or strict guideline for how it should work. If I see someone doing a very shady deal, if I wanted to, I can leave them negative feedback saying, this guy looks shady, and give them the reference link, or if someone ripped me off on Ebay, and I could link them back here, I could also leave them negative rep for that. The point of the feedback system is that you can leave notes for yourself and others, with linked proof and comments, and people can judge the validity of the claims themselves. Without proof, people will desregard the negative trust, with it, they will be far more hesistant to deal with you. My point was that the figure doesn't matter meant that unless you had planned on paying him back, whether it is for 1 Satoshi or 100 BTC, it would still show negative trust from TradeFortress, and would peg you as untrustworthy if people agreed that you are in the wrong.  If you were willing to pay Tradefortress back the amount that your bot had Actually earned, I'm sure he would be far more interested in searching through transaction histories to find an accurate figure.

but the thing is, should Tradefortress go through the logs to give you a more accurate number of BTC lost, or would it just be a waste of time. I'm sure hes thinking that a guestimate is perfectly fine, as he wont see any amount back.

And although you may not find anything wrong with your bot taking funds from coinchat, as I said earlier, it isn't really your, or Tradefortress' opinion that matters. All that matters is when someone who is going to do business with you, what will they think based on the evidence. I personally think you are at fault and wouldn't trade with you be it 1 Satoshi, or 1.5BTC (which leads into the significance of the amount owed) , and you can see that others think you are as well. But there are also other people who don't think you are at fault, so its a matter of getting people who don't find you at fault to trade with you.

Thanks, Salty.  While I'm saddened that tf's unsupported allegations would lead you not to do business with me (were there ever an opportunity), I really really appreciate your respectful tone and consideration of the argument.  I think it stands in stark contrast to most of what's been posted in this thread.  If I could get tf to talk with me in the same way, I would suppose that he and I would have been able to work something out.

Given your analysis of the free-form nature of the trust system (despite the fact that the trust thread seems to construe it much more narrowly as relevant to currency trades on bitcointalk), do you really think it's a good thing to have people known for reactionary and incindiary usage of 'risked btc' as part of the default trust scheme?  If the system is set up to include things like personal grudges not relevant to trading, then should there really be a 'default trust' list?  Finally, if the trust system isn't really about marketplace trust, isn't it more of a confusingly labelled 'friends list', like social networks or something?  I mean, if tf's lowering of my trust isn't more than a glorified 'unfriending', then I suppose I wouldn't have been that concerned.  However, saying that he 'risked xxBTC' on me (when he demonstratably hasn't) and demanding payment of that amount feels like something more than 'i dont like tspacepilot'.
4214  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 10:08:13 PM
Like I said before, I agree with TradeFortness on this point (you really should start reading). There is a lot of stuff I disagree with, but that doesn't matter now, because he has a point and I can see past my differences with him.

Have fun making up false facts and trying to get out of the corner you are stuck in.

Uh,  was this supposed to a link?  I thought you agreed that blind tf cheerleading wasn't helping and you planned to move along. 
4215  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 09:56:09 PM
there is not even evidence that the bot even made 0.01BTC until it has been proven everyone should stop taking sides

If tspacepilot had not withdrew any fund from coinchat, and Tradefortress has lowered his rep for no reason, wouldn't the first thing tspacepilot would say is, hey, I never withdrew anything? They have argued about the amount, but the reasonable first step a person would take in defending themself is saying that they had taken nothing. Tspacepilot did not say they didn't withdraw Bitcoin earned by the Bot, they said they didn't withdraw 1.5 BTC or .5 BTC.

also


I'm sorry salty but this isn't correct.  

1) The amounts are invented, I;m not sure from where.  Tf asserted 1.5 then .5 and I never withrew near that amount.
2) The b0t thing is a red herring.  Yes I registered that username but almost never used it.  I had hoped to deploy a bot under that name but never got the bugs worked out before I was banned.   Tf and I even had a discussion one time about that bot and he did not object to the name at the time.

To bring us back to the point: everyone agrees that tf and I had no currency trade agreement and that he is attempting to use his influence on a third party site to punish me for his grudge about my use of coinchat.

You didn't withdraw "anywhere near that amount" so you did withdraw something. And you "Almost never" used the illegal bot, but you did use it.

Salty, I think I see your point about reducing this to a categorical notion.  However, I disagree wholeheartedly.  Tf is currently holding my reputation ransom for 0.5BTC.  He started off demanding 1.5BTC  (an amount I dont even have!).  If tf's ransom demand was 0.001btc I would probably just pay him to make this go away and hope that he didnt come back demanding more at a later date.  In any case I would be able to provide evidence from this forum where he and I made an agreement and if he didn't fulfill his part of the bargain that would also be public knowledge.  As things stand, there is 0 evidence regarding whatever I "owe" him (scare quotes because I don't believe I owe him anything).  Yet I am liable for any amount he chooses and my only recourse (it seems) is to decry the blackmail in this thread.  I really feel that the numbers do matter here because they are a) unsupported by evidence and b) my rep is being held liable for those amounts.
4216  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 09:39:53 PM

To bring us back to the point: everyone agrees that tf and I had no currency trade agreement and that he is attempting to use his influence on a third party site to punish me for his grudge about my use of coinchat.
The rules state that a bot has to have "bot" in it's name, not "b0t". This has been mentioned before. So using that bot would have given you BTC you didn't deserve, because you break the rules.

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To bring us back to the point: everyone agrees that tf and I had no currency trade agreement and that he is attempting to use his influence on a third party site to punish me for his grudge about my use of coinchat.

For fuck sake, stop bringing this up. We already destroyed that argument. You don't HAVE to be in a currency trade agreement for him to decrease your trust rating. If he thinks you scammed him, he is allowed to, no matter if you guys ever made a trade.

Oh if it's for fuck's sake then I think that makes your point a lot more clear.  I get it, for you TF shall can whatever he wants no matter the relevance or the accuracy.  Yes, for fuck sake I undersand you perfectly.

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God, why do I even bother talking to you. [sic] You only see your own truth and nothing else. I am out of here.

Probably for the best.  If all you can offer is the mantra that whatever tf does or says is right and true then I wouldn't exactly characterize your contributions as helpful.  Ciao!
4217  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 06:33:00 PM

this is unfair you are backing up tradefortress  when he has provided 0 evidence that any coins were taken  

I have started multiple scammer tag requests on here with evidence and you guys couldn't give a dam about it


No, that is not true at all. tspacepilot opened the thread up, asking what happened. Tradefortress explained it to him, and rather than tspacepilot saying, No I never took the coins, or no, it wasn't me, they said, no, I never saw the rules so its ok that I took the coin.

tspacepilot has admitted to chatting using a bot containing the name b0t rather than bot, and withdrawing about .5BTC rather than 1.5BTC, in light of that, how can you say there is no evidence?

I'm sorry salty but this isn't correct.  

1) The amounts are invented, I;m not sure from where.  Tf asserted 1.5 then .5 and I never withrew near that amount.
2) The b0t thing is a red herring.  Yes I registered that username but almost never used it.  I had hoped to deploy a bot under that name but never got the bugs worked out before I was banned.   Tf and I even had a discussion one time about that bot and he did not object to the name at the time.

To bring us back to the point: everyone agrees that tf and I had no currency trade agreement and that he is attempting to use his influence on a third party site to punish me for his grudge about my use of coinchat.
4218  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 06:21:41 PM
What matters is if TF used the trust system in accordance with its rules. According to theymos,
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On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this…
Therefore, TF can use feedback for whatever he wants. If it becomes frivolous, then people will ignore TF's trust or the entire trust system. Action does not need to be taken by the trust system admins.


as said before TF is not in default trust list, therefore most people will never even see the negative rating.

I don't think this is right as I only discovered the negative rating because it did show up next to my posts (before I removed default trust).  In any case this is one of the few facts in dispute on this thread which can be empirically measured by anyone Wink
4219  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
What matters is if TF used the trust system in accordance with its rules. According to theymos,
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On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this…
Therefore, TF can use feedback for whatever he wants. If it becomes frivolous, then people will ignore TF's trust or the entire trust system. Action does not need to be taken by the trust system admins.

Since I tend to be very conservative when it comes to deciding if something is unethical, it sounds like TF gave someone .5 BTC because his banning mechanism and bot detection were inadequate, and now he's retaliating through the trust system. However, the OP was gaming the system (coinchat) and not following the rules, and other people would call that unethical. TF would go so far as to say that it's stealing! It's hard to determine if that makes someone trustworthy without a definition of trust that everyone agrees on.

Thank you very much for a reasonable and thoughtful response.  I really only have two small points of disagreement.  The first is that my total withdrawl from coinchat dont amount to more than 0.35, so the 0.5 amount is obviously trumped up.  This is obviously part of the argument that you are elegantly deciding not to be involved with but I wish to make the correction.

The second is that while you are right that if the trust system becomes frivolous, users will eventualky ignore it, there's an assymetry here in that some people are listed as trustworthy by default.  So when those people use the trust system frivolously, it endangers the system (and their victims) even more.  Therefore I believe that the trust system admins do need to reconsider their inclusion of tf on that list of default users to be trusted (or whether such a reified list should exist at all).

Finally, can someone provide a link to a concise description of the trust system and its proper usage?
4220  Other / Meta / Re: Someone lowered my trust, I don't know why. What recourse? on: September 30, 2013, 05:57:55 PM
...

Salty sums this up well, I agree with him.  OP looks to be completely in the wrong here, TF in the right.

in this particular case maybe....

I'm only talking about this specific situation, if you're implying that I said TF is always right then you are wrong.


this is unfair you are backing up tradefortress  when he has provided 0 evidence that any coins were taken  

I have started multiple scammer tag requests on here with evidence and you guys couldn't give a dam about it

This one is getting a lot of attention because it's in Meta not Scam Accusations.


the main point I was making is that trade fortress has not provided and evidence that it was the bot that earned the money and not a human as the op says they were talking on there a lot and testing a bot so most of it could be legit and only a small % be the bot we don't know as there is no evidence been shown ether way yet everyone here is taking sides  

Thank you.  It's refreshing for someone to finally respond with something other than 'pay tf or be shunned'!

Even if I do owe tf something because he paid me for messages that he wishes he hadn't paid me for, the total would probably amount to something closer to 0.01.  In any case my total withdraws on the site dont amount to more than 0.35 so the .5 figure is outlandish.  I note again that he started off at 1.5, then dropped it by 1/3 when people weee taking my side on this thread.

Still this is missing the goddamn point.  tf runs a site that gives away money for chatting.  I chatted for hours and hours and received money.  Tf decided he doesn't want me there anymore, fine.  How does this give him any right to lie about me on bitcointalk.org?  He is suggesting that he and I had some currency trade agreement and that I didn't follow through.  That is false.  I have entered into 0  marketplacd transactions and tf's grudges against former users should not be taken out by him on their trust ratings.  If he is going to act like that, I think it's a strong reason to remove him from the default trust list so that at least new users can make up their mind for themselves about people he holds grudges against.

Again, he suggests variously that I am spamming or defrauding or stealing, sometimes 1.5 btc sometimes other amounts, all based on his whimsy and with 0 supporting evidence.  How is any of this relevant to the marketplace trust?  Even he admits it's not, that it's based on his personal grudge with me about how I used coinchat some months ago.
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