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4201  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Best crypto lottery? on: April 16, 2019, 07:10:02 AM
Lottery always has the highest house edge. Up to 45%. Avoid them.

How else you can win that much with better probability?

Put all on single number in roulette multiple times. To win really big money you will have to guess single number 5 times in a row (if you win than you put all your profit again on single number and again and agin...). You will win 60 mil times initial bets (6 mil $ if first bet was 0.1 $) with 1:69 000 000 probability. That's 13% house edge. Now you see the difference? 13% house edge vs 45% house edge. And you don't need lottery.
4202  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Kampania AirDrops lub Bounty.... Jak to wygląda z drugiej strony? on: April 15, 2019, 09:01:31 PM
Ostatnio największy sukces odnosi IEO zamiast ICO. Czyli sprzedaż coinów we współpracy z dużymi giełdami. Tu masz pewien sukces jeśli uda ci się przekonać giełdę. Ostatnio były 3 IEO na binance (FET, BTT, CELER), wszystkie zakończyły się po kilku sekundach brakiem tokenów. W ich ślady idzie OKEx i chyba jeszcze kilka mniejszych giełd. Domyślam się jednak, że nie jest to prosta sprawa, by przekonać do siebie duże giełdy już na starcie. Ale i pozyskać inwestorów bez tego może być ciężko przy obecnym rynku.
Niewiele łatwiej będzie z influencerami. Jak ktoś ma prawdziwą widownię, to nie pokaże im byle czego, by ich nie stracić. Musiałbyś go przekonać, że twój projekt będzie sukcesem. Podejrzewam, że będzie to dla niego ważniejsze niż kasa.

https://azbit.com/ ICO od listopada. W pół roku uzbierali 4 mln $. Już 3 raz przedłużają ICO. Zainwestowali w Rogera Vera, który nalezy do Top 10 crypto influencerów (kiedyś widziałem w jakimś rankingu) - 500k fallowersów na twitterze.
 

Jak widzisz nawet najlepszy influencer nie da ci gwarancji sukcesu. ICO jest spalone. Ciężko mi powiedzieć kto jeszcze kupuje tokeny w ciemno. Dlatego ostatnio modne jest IEO.
4203  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Binance threatens to delist BitcoinSV for Craig Wright pretending to be satoshi on: April 15, 2019, 03:44:07 PM
And it happened. Wish to see this topic earlier. It was so much to earn. BCHABC is pumping nicely.

BCHSV - I remember when they claimed that they will destroy bitcoin. That they will dump all their bitcoins and BCHABC to win this battle. Well after delisting from binance they will drop below bitcoin diamond (out of top 50 CMC)
4204  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Spekulacja na newsach alt/btc on: April 15, 2019, 02:36:34 PM
news roku. Panowie Binance usuwa BCHSV. BCHABC wygrywa wojnę. Prawdopodobnie będzie wchłaniać cały kapitał z BCH SV przez najbliższy tydzień. Ja już się ustawiłem, choć wykres nie zachęca.

Co za news. Ja jestem w szoku. Binance usuwa coin z top 12 CMC.
Szykowałbym się również na pompę na bitcoinie. W końcu to są 3 strony rywalizujące o miano "prawdziwego bitcoina", a 1,5 mld kapitalizacji na BCH SV pewnie stopnieje do 0.5 mld w przeciągu tego tygodnia.

edit: Obawiam sie tylko tego szaleńca Craiga Wrighta. Czy nie zacznie dumpować BCH ABC i BTC by ratować SV skupując dump.
Edit2: https://twitter.com/krakenfx/status/1117828361269571586 Kraken kolejny w kolejce? 70% głosów na tak. Wygląda na to, że startuje akcja niszcząca BCH SV - kocham krypto community Smiley

A odgrażali się, że zniszczą bitcoina i bch abc
4205  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does Martingale Work? on: April 15, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
It does work but it depends on how lucky you are though.  Grin

That is the usual gambler and how they usually think about this strategy but I think Martingale is a really good strategy as long as you are using it in the good game. I am a gambler and I usually play dice games, in that statement, if you are using martingale you should be able to have a good amount of money to gamble. If you don't have enough, better stop quickly. I also bet on sports gambling and I usually use Martingale there not only when I lose but also when I win, for me, it is really great.
I am glad you added the clause, have enough money if you must use the martingale strategy. This is what most gamblers won’t do, they only mention that the strategy works very well but they won’t state that it is important to have plenty of money.

I think it’s not for player like me who play for fun because I don’t play with much money, I see gambling as fun and I play with very little amount I can easily afford to lose and I believe there are other days to play again, playing with huge money one day and pausing for the next days or months ahead is not so nice, so I would rather play little by little daily for months.

Read OP before posting! Its not "what you think about martingale". Its "martingale DOES NOT WORK HERE IS PROOF". And it does not work for any amount of money. In fact the more money you have the lower probability of doubling you have. Martingale decrease probability of doubling compared to betting everything on red and going home.
4206  Other / Meta / Re: Ice bucket challange ... meh ... Rank up challenge ! on: April 15, 2019, 01:00:55 PM
Of course, I accept your challenge @TytanowyJanusz. I will update this post today in the evening (CET).


Great to hear that. You have 7 days than.



Clock is ticking Smiley

Good luck Smiley As Yoda would said: May the force merit source be with you.

You could adjust the part where the challenge is to rank up and make it a challenge to earn a certain amount of merits. The user has to earn 10 merits in the next days for example, no matter the rank. In that way anyone who wants to participate can do it. It might be hard to find enough users who are close to ranking up since they need both the activity and merits.

You might be right. Let's test it on few rounds and see how it will work. If we will have trouble with nominating another member or someone will like to nominate friend that is far from ranking up i will not protest to challenge someone to earn fixed amount of merits. Even challenge "who will get more merrits wins" sounds interresting.

4207  Local / Alternatywne kryptowaluty / Re: Kampania AirDrops lub Bounty.... Jak to wygląda z drugiej strony? on: April 15, 2019, 08:05:48 AM
Jeśli celem jest pozyskanie inwestorów, to spora część inwestorów przed wpakowaniem kasy najpierw sprawdza co się wyrabia na social mediach. Widząc 500 osób nie traktują projektu poważnie. Widząc 100 000 myślą .. ale hype ... ale cena wystrzeli. Taką ocenę sytuacji wzmocni fakt, że każdy twitt jest przekazywany dalej przez kilkadziesiąt osób. Więc airdrop i bounty zadziałają nawet jeśli wszyscy użytkownicy to fake konta z fake fallowersami.
Nie opłaca się zatem płacić więcej za więcej fallowersów, bo jak zauważył cryptovigi w większości i tak są fakowi.

Dobry, doświadczony bounty manager szybko odróżni konto fallow za fallow od prawdziwego. Jednak nie oczekiwałbym, że prawdziwe konto będzie miało więcej niż 100 fallowersów i zgodzi się na pracę za ICO tokeny. Dobrym sitem wydaje się wymóg własnych twittów związanych z whitepaperem zamiast samych retwittów. Tyle pracy odsieje spammerów z multikontami. Jednak sprawdzanie tego będzie kosztowne.

Zauważyłem, że płatność kilka dolarów w bitcoinie przyciąga uczciwych użytkowników a kilkaset dolarów w ICO tokenach przyciąga spamerów. Dlatego nosimy sygnaturki za 15$ za tydzień płatne w bitcoinie i piszemy ci elaboraty a ci z sygnaturkami za 150$ tygodniowo w ICO tokenach siedzą na innych grupach i piszą "good project, nice whitepaper, can't wait ico. Team looks professional. This will be great ico" - 95 znaków, więcej niż 75, czyli płatne.
4208  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Play poker to train trading on: April 15, 2019, 07:50:58 AM
In my opinion, it means you have the same experiences as a trader in crypto has so you could easily switch from poker to crypto. There are ups and downs in cryptocurrency and a poker player is very well versed with the ups and downs as well. So, here in place of playing against a person like in poker, you would play against the cryptocurrency 2 billion dollar industry. This is I think a good interpretation.

Not just the case of poker, there is a debate for years like when we are gambling with strategies then why not go for trading as trading is known for full of strategies and analysis. In my experience, a trader may become a successful gambler but I am not sure about the vice versa thing.

I didn't know that this debate has been going on for years now, mainly because i don't have years here sadly. But i totally and truly agree with you, a trader can become a really good poker player and not necessarily the other way around. Learning one requires a lot more attention to detail and discipline than learning the other one.

The big difference i would say is the social aspect of the game. Reading people and stuffs like that, things a trader will have to learn that are not necessarily related in a personalized level with trading. With trading it's more about the macro level of things.


You are all misunderstanding investing with trading. That's different. You are investing in fundamental when something is undervalued on market due to its fundamental value. You are prepared for long time hold.
Trading is based on short term speculation and chart analysis. It requires money management and discipline together with objective assessment of the situation. Trader will put his money into overvalued asset knowing that it has higher possibility of growing. Investor would not do that.

That's why good poker player will be good trader because skills that are the hardest to get from trading (money management, discipline, objective assessment of the situation)are easy to get in poker (faster reward/punishment for every good/bad move). You can learn TA in 1 week, that's not the factor that separates earner from looser.
Good trader will not be good poker player because skills that are useful in poker are harder to master in trading.
4209  Local / Polski / Re: [Konkus] Wytypuj cenę bitcoina lub rozbaw społeczność (edycja druga) on: April 15, 2019, 07:32:45 AM
$4800. Obstawiam, że kurs będzie się utrzymywał w podobnych okolicach co obecnie, z nieznacznymi spadkami, zanim zacznie spadać ostrzej lub iść do góry, ale nie od razu.

Trochę z dupy wytypowanie Wink

Dzięki za predykcję. Do końca czerwca 1.5 miesiąca, jak dla mnie za długo na tą półkę cenową po tak silnym impulsie. Według mnie do tego czasu z konsolidacji już wyjdziemy i albo będziemy szorować niżej testując 4200 albo wyżej walcząc z oporem na 5500-6500. Niemniej jednak życzę powodzenia Smiley aaa i gratuluję miejsca w chipmixerze.


Dziś 15.04 - ostatni dzień na składanie predykcji co do ceny bitcoina na 1 czerwca 2019.





Świetny. Może do końca konkursu okaże się, czy prawdziwy Smiley
4210  Local / Polski / Re: Martingale - strategia na ruletkę? on: April 15, 2019, 07:02:21 AM
Przejrzałem strategie z tej strony. Powiem ci, że nieźle się ubawiłem. Ogólnie z ruletką jest tak, że każde pole daje wygrają x36 z prawdopodobieństwem 1/37. Jak obstawiasz pierwszy tuzin to obstawiasz 12 pojedynczych pól czyli do wygrania 36/12 z prawdopodobieństwem 12/37. I tak dalej. Zawsze prawdopodobieństwo wygrania jest mniejsze od przegrania. Bez znaczenia ile pojedynczych pól w jakiej kombinacji sie obstawi.

Wszystkie strategie na ruletkę opierają się magię i nieznajomości matematyki. Z każdego żetona postawionego gdziekolwiek wyciągasz 0.97 żetona. Ale według wyznawcy strategii jeśli postawisz 5 żetonów o statystycznej wypłacie 0.97 żetona każdy w specyficznie określony kształt, to magicznie ich szanse rosną... niestety nie.

Im głębszy research strategii robię tym bardziej jestem przekonany, że nowe strategie wymyślają kasyna a nie gracze. W końcu kto zostawi najwięcej kasy w kasynie jak nie ktoś, kto jest przekonany o skuteczności swojej strategii a obecne straty uzasadnia "niesamowitym pechem". Jak zmusić przeciętnego człowieka do postawienia domu na czerwone jak nie stwierdzeniem "czarne wypadło już 15 razy pod rząd zmuszając cię do zwiększenia stawki z 1$ do 32 000$, teraz musi wypaść czerwone, stawiaj 64 000$, w końcu 16 razy pod rząd jest niesłychanie mało prawdopodobne". Diabeł by lepszej strategii na dymanie graczy nie wymyślił.

"Kiedy padł pierwszy tuzin, stawiłem Labouchere na drugi oraz trzeci tuzin i na pierwszy tuzin stawiłem 1 żeton. Następnie, kiedy padł trzeci tuzin, stawiłem Laboucher na pierwszy i drugi tuzin i na padnięty trzeci tuzin stawiłem 1 żeton według Fibonacci ( 1,1,2,3,5,...)."
Czyli obstawiałeś cały stół bez zera, ale więcej kładłeś na to, czego przed chwilą nie było ... zupełnie jakby piłeczka pamiętała gdzie ostatnio wypadła... jak mówiłem ... magia.
4211  Other / Meta / Re: Ice bucket challange ... meh ... Rank up challenge ! on: April 14, 2019, 07:11:12 PM
    Is the challenge random?
    If so, what if the challenged member is not interested or does not want to participate?

    I nominate first person. After challenge he/she will nominate another one. If he/she is not interested may simply not accept it and another person will be nominated.

    Anyway, the new kind of challenge of the OP is interesting, and innovative. I don't see the exact rewards for winners mentioned in the OP, so can the OP clarify it more, please.
    Quote
    If he will manage to rank up I will donate funds to charity.

    Its simple. Looser donate funds to charity. As much as he wants. The end. There is no reward. Its topic created to improve post quality, and help charity.

    I think that would be fun, but I can’t rank up anymore. Tongue
    Outstanding guys should be eliminated from such challenge, like DdmrDdmr, who can rank up more to Hero, and Legendary. Even in the case the challenge open sooner, and DdmrDdmr does not earn enough merits for Legendary rank, he should be eliminated from such challenge. Because, if he has chance to join, he will win for sure with his fast merit-earning rate Grin
    Maybe, the top 50 merit receivers should be excluded to join the challenge.
    Top 200 Merit Receivers without Merit from the Top 200 Merit Receivers

    It's not kinder garden. Its topic created to encourage nominated users to try their best contributing for BTT community or donate to charity. There is nothing to win. Its not lottery to win a house. What if wwzysocki will challenge theymos? For sure, he can't rank up and will have to donate to charity if he will accept challenge before but what if he will create new rank just for fun and rank yourself up just for one day? Than Wwzysocki will have to donate to charity. That would be very interesting and fun to watch. Why to limite that? There is nothing to win. Its Win - Win situation for everyone (BTT community, nominated user, charity)

    You should construct a limitation on your challenge since not all of the members have an equal amount of merits and the target merit. It's hard especially for those who will need a lot of merits to complete the challenge. You should specifically state the range of the merits needed to be able to participate in the rank up challenge.
    However love the idea but think in this case newbies are in better position they need only ONE merit  Cheesy

    I don't know how rich @Tytanowy Janusz is, you know it will be easy for them to gain 1 merit and more 100$ will go to the charity.

    Again. It's not kinder garden. In ice bucket challenge you don't have any limitations like (5% of month income or 2% if you have more than 2 kids in donation, bucket with at least 10l of water and 16 cubes of ice 1cm^3 each to be sure that its equal for all)

    I don't know where you get those 100$ from. I don't have to be rich to donate more than 1 cent to charity once. Cause i only challenge wwzysocki. He will challenge next person if he would like to.

    Lol,
    This sounds like fun but just for a few participants, big part of the active members are our of the scope + the chalange cound create quite a merit hunting situation.
    Anyway, since I cannot join Cheesy (I have to wait almost a year) I'll keep an eye on the participants to trow some merit thier way.


    Thank you. I'm sure they will appreciate it. I see activity is your limit. You must be damn good quality poster Smiley


    If the person who has been challenged is ready to take the challenge, he has to announce his acceptance, and if he doesn't do that within 24 hours, there will be another random challenge targeting someone else, I guess.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, OP.[/list]

    You are right. I didn't specify that. I'll do it now.
    If person, who was nominated, will not accept challenge within 24h (idle on forum or post with refusal) person who nominated him has 24h to nominate next person.

    If nominated person was idle and will get online can still accept challenge if another was not yet thrown.

    If person don't want to nominate anyone I'll do it or I'll write post with other instructions (something like - anyone can throw challenge to anyone. First post wins)

    @Wwzysocki did not accept challenge within 24 h. He was most likely idle (did not post anything for 2 days). Now i have 24h to nominate another person, If Wwzysocki will accept challenge before i do that it will count. I think its fair. I'll find another user tomorrow.
    4212  Other / Meta / Re: Ice bucket challange ... meh ... Rank up challenge ! on: April 14, 2019, 09:16:08 AM
    Maybe you could provide some limitations on who can participate as there are some people who are like 5-10 merits away from ranking up. In addition, I guess you could also increase the time limit depending on their current rank, with the lowest rank having the least time (maybe before less than 24 hours) and other ranks following the same rule as well. Nonetheless, this is a noble purpose as long as charity always wins!

    Good luck to all participants who will be attempting to challenge this event!

    It's for charity and for fun. I think it does not require those extra limitations to work. If you will challenge someone who needs 1 merit to rank up he will most likely do it in 1 day and you will have to donate to charity faster and we will continue with another challenge. If you will challenge someone who needs 200 merits he will most likely fail and donate to charity or don't accept challenge and we will continue with another person after 24h.

    What you guys think about challenging up to 2 members? I'm a bit concerned about that because after 10 round we will have more than 1000 challenged members per week which I won't be able to handle.

    @wwzsocki You still have 7h to accept challenge.

    4213  Other / Archival / Maggiordomo bot thread for Tytanowy=Janusz(ww) on: April 14, 2019, 07:14:11 AM
    Tytanowy=Janusz notification thread for Maggiordomo bot.
    4214  Other / Meta / Ice bucket challange ... meh ... Rank up challenge ! on: April 13, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
    Hello Bitcointalk community. I'm happy to introduce RANK UP CHALLANGE.

    Rules:

    • I nominate first person to rank up challenge. This person have to announce their acceptance in this topic together with short self introduction (with few best posts?) within 24h.
    • Within 7 days of accepting challenge, participant have to rank up (gain enough merits).
    • If he will not manage to rank up during whole week than he will have to donate funds to charity. (It does not matter how much. That's only for fun. It could be 1 cent or 1000$)
    • If he will manage to rank up I will donate funds to charity. (charity always wins Smiley )
    • Winner or looser have to post proof of donation
    • After challenge user, who was nominated has 24h to nominate next person (be careful to who you throw challenge. If he will manage to win than You will have to donate funds to charity Smiley, be prepared for that Smiley )

    I've decided to challenge @wwzsocki. Quality poster with only 27 merits short to rank up to Hero member rank. That would be close to 4 merits per day. Hard but not impossible.

    @wwzsocki I challenge you to be the best BTT member for whole week. Write as much quality posts as you can. Help as many BTT users as you can and win forcing me to be better person by donating to charity or fail and donate to charity by yourself! Now your move!

    Wall of Fame

    nr|Challenge-makers|Challenge-takers|Merits to earn|Succeed?|Time|Payed to charity?
    1|Tytanowy Janusz|wwzsocki|27|yes|3d 10h|yes
    2|Cryptovigi|Tytanowy Janusz|27|yes|3d 23h|yes
    3|wwzsocki|tbct_mt2|13|yes|1d 07h|yes
    4|-|-|-|-|-|-

    Current challenge

    This will contain link to posts with newest challenges and link to posts with self introduction of person who accept newest challenges

    Nr|challenge|self introduction
    1|empty|empty
    2|empty|empty
    3|empty|empty


    Total amount donated to charity

    68$

    Charity that accept bitcoin:
    https://www.binance.charity/
    Bitcointalk Charity Program - Give Hope to Everyone $ 1 Is A Big Thing For Them created by @cabalism13

    You don't know anyone close to rank up to challange him? Here is full list:
    https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5024849.0


    Update:
    Most of the feedback I get is about that this challenge sounds fun but only few will have opportunity to take part in. I thought about letting nominated person nominate up to 2 users. But that way after 10 round I'll have to mange 1000 challenges. That's why I came up with an idea that I will open 3 spots for 3 active challenges per week. If you see empty spot that means that its free and will be taken by first challenge posted. You can challenge anyone. New spot will be realised if someone won't nominate new user on time.

    Update 2.0 :
    From now on you can challenge other member to gain fixed amount of merits (f.e. 20). But if there will be more thrown challenges than empty spots priority goes to rank up challenges.
    4215  Local / Polski / Re: Signature campaing - regularnie płatne pewniaki on: April 13, 2019, 03:08:45 PM
    Manager: yahoo62278
    Nazwa kampanii: Windice.io Signature Campaign
    Ile do zarobienia/tydzień: 25$/ 25 postów
    Jakie rangi: s
    Dodatkowe informacje:przy cenie btc = 5000$


    4216  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Roulette - what to bet on? on: April 12, 2019, 04:47:32 PM
    well from all gamble games roulette is not that bad. You have Slot machine where odds are set by machine owner (you don't know it and can't count it). Same as scratchcard. The worst gamble game is the one where you cant cout probablity.
    Lotteries (put 2$ win 100 mil $) are the one with highest house edge. Up to 50%
    4217  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The BEST Charts with BITCOIN with candlesticks on: April 12, 2019, 02:01:13 PM
    So..... Tradingview Sucks for charts. They pop up all over the place. They want money for clear charts.

    CMC does not even have candels?? How can anybody do anything WITH no candle?

    Coinbase... let's not even talk about CB.

    Where else can i turn to?

    Binance?

    Use charts on exchange that you trade on. All supports, resistance every important price level, stoplosses on your exchanges are set based on chart from your exchange. Why whould you use tradingview and set stoploss at 900 sat if all traders on binance set stoploss at 910 (because there was last bottom on binance) -just example.
    You trade on binance - look at binance charts.
    4218  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Drops Back to $5K Price Support After Failed Breakout on: April 12, 2019, 10:35:46 AM
    https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-drops-back-to-5k-support-after-failed-breakout-2

    Bitcoin (BTC) has fallen back to support at $5,000 after a failed breakout Wednesday.

    The number one cryptocurrency by market valuation made a strong bullish break from an ascending triangle pattern yesterday evening at 18:00 UTC, reaching a peak of $5,488 on the Coinbase exchange. However, that move was quickly rejected and an increase in selling pressure on today’s open laid the pathway for bitcoin to slide, first to $5,200 overnight, then quickly to $5,018 soon before press time.

    5000 support... yea... 3200/4200 zone is strong support and 5600-6200 zone is strong resistance not 5000. Your support is for 1h candle small volume traders who are not able to push price in any direction only create +- 2-4% move. Nothing will happen if it will break. Nothing will happen if it will hold.
    4219  Economy / Economics / Re: Why exchanges constantly expose you to the risk of losing your capital. on: April 12, 2019, 10:30:43 AM
    I also noticed that after listing at the crypto exchange, coins first have a high price, and then they fall, but this is hardly bounty hunters' fault. Rather, the price of all the coins is manipulated by the exchanges and the teams of those coins that go to the exchange. A team can sell coins cheaply, causing token holders to panic and sell their coins, after which the price drops even lower.

    I dont think the price manipulated. Like others investor behaviour, they just want to liquid their profits and convert it to others crypto or fiat. I think this is natural and always happen in any market. When the price reach peak, investor realizing the profits.

    90% dump in 1 second is normal for you? You don't know what you are talking about than. This peak and dump happened in 1 second after opening trading. Who is that fast to think "hmm i think that it might be my target. I will sell here"

    There's really nothing wrong about it. It was the investors' fault for trading in those prices. It's actually normal in and out of cryptocurrency space so there's nothing to complain about it. Also it's business, as long as they are not doing anything wrong while they are profiting from it, they'll just stay as it is.

    They were not trading in those prices. They set market buy order before trade opening. Trading opens at +1000% (because as i write opening price is pure random) and their order was finalized there.
    4220  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: technical analysis is enough to be successful in trading ???? on: April 12, 2019, 10:22:19 AM
    I am trading from many years using technical analysis but technical analysis only is not enough , I am lacking something in my analysis and not having confidence in taking trades only based on technical analysis, I did ask many traders they say lot of factors like psychology, crowd behaviour , market sentiments , any experienced traders here know some other factors  please mention , and if  of you know  books where I can learn those  please mention book name            thanks

    Money management and tone of experience. Don't be scared to open trades. Do them as much you can and learn form each. Start with minimal bet (thats ~5$ on binance). What can go wrong? -20%? that's whole 1$. And what you've learned is priceless. Trade as much you can.
    For TA trades choose only coins with volume >200 - 500 btc. TA don't work on lower volumes because every small investor willing to exit his 5000$ will destroy chart.
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