I just can't understand how anyone could defend BFL unless he/she has an incentive to do it (promised early machine or something) or hopes he might get one by placing himself in their backs.
I do it because I don't like people to be wrong on the internet. If something needs to be corrected, I correct it. BFL didn't purposefully do anything malicious, so I defend them. They don't deserve to have various non-customers on the Bitcointalk forum slander them. I think it's fair to warn everybody reading here that NO MORE PREORDERS should be placed until they really prove they can give PRECISE delivery dates for both past and new orders. I think it is fair to warn everybody about past performance, but it is not fair to tell them what to do. If people want to place preorders, it's no business of yours. Warn them that BFL has only delivered a handful of units since taking preorders back in 2011. Warn them that BFL has no precise delivery date. But who are you to decide whether it is a good or bad investment for them? That is a decision for them to make. In fact they have delivery dates, which has been proved A LIE for +6 months. Delays and more delays. It's outrageous to see how they send a few units to PR guys and WIRED magazine just to keep the money flowing in their preorder backlog. Man, how could you not feel that? They should be working their asses off in order to explain to their customers when they will be able to manufacture en ship en masse, but they seem to spend all their energy trolling in these forums and in PR stunts + aggressive advertising. It's a shame. |
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I just can't understand how anyone could defend BFL unless he/she has an incentive to do it (promised early machine or something) or hopes he might get one by placing himself in their backs.
I do it because I don't like people to be wrong on the internet. If something needs to be corrected, I correct it. BFL didn't purposefully do anything malicious, so I defend them. They don't deserve to have various non-customers on the Bitcointalk forum slander them. I think it's fair to warn everybody reading here that NO MORE PREORDERS should be placed until they really prove they can give PRECISE delivery dates for both past and new orders. |
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So much fail in the above post, I don't even know where to start.
I have an idea Tehfiend, if you are so offended, why not ask for a refund?
Many of us paid in BTC, and you know that a refund would be a slap in our face, so we can only hold to our orders hoping you finally overcome your problems and we can try to mine back what we invested. But instead of being transparent, you seem to be spreading dubious statements so new users keep throwing fiat at your HUGE preorder backlog... And you seem to enjoy trolling quite a bit, too. |
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Crazyates, do you work for BFL?
The OP declared interested in buying a Bitforce 5GHs, and asked: do they ship now?
It's obvious that an unit bought now WILL NOT ship now. It will takes MONTHS to ship. That's the reality, no need to play games.
BFL had more success in creating a cult than in creating products... and I guess they are well aware of it and exploiting it for their benefit. That's how weak minds work: If they retract their decision it would be a tacit admittance of making a stupid decision, therefore they defend their bad decisions by all means possible, to the point that when all rational arguments are exhausted they appeal to fallacies and rhetorical devices to defend the indefensible. This stupid human weakness is exploited a lot in the infamous Nigerian scams, and in many other type of scams. They trapped people between impossible decisions, between correcting themselves and looking stupid or staying dumb and looking stubborn. The latter resolution affects less their egos, so that's the road they take. Nobody wants to admit to be wrong, and as long as that's the case, they will stay trapped in their mediocrity. I also took a gamble with BFL. I knew it was a gamble, and I decided to take it anyway. I'm loosing, and I'm loosing twice because I decided to pay in BTC (it felt right to support BTC economy, now I know I was plainly stupid as they get fiat from Bitpay in any case). But at the end of the day, I acknowledge this loss I wittingly exposed myself when taking this gamble, and I move on and I acknowledge I was mistaken. No need to have the Stockholm Syndrome. No need to tell to a new user "They are shipping now!" when he says that he is interested in buying a BFL miner today. Because that's a LIE. I feel better if others don't make the same mistake, it feels very unfair when I see how they still suck new users with the "we're shipping soon" BS. Thus, I don't understand crazyates position, unless he is paid by BFL. No, I'm not paid by BFL. I just think it's funny when you state two opposites, and claim they're both true. And Bits, you're assuming that I'm either A) too stupid or B) too delusional to see what's happening with BFL. Just like Rampion, I'm not happy. I haven't been happy for months. I also paid in BTC, so a refund would be a slap in the face. My only real option is to hold onto my early pre-orders, and mine those BTC back. Do I wish I'd of bought from Avalon? Sure. Hell, I'm even thinking at this point my hundreds of BTC should have been used to buy GPU rigs! But hindsight is 20/20, and just because I still think of BFL as a legitimate business located in Kansas (who's now shipping the first of their ASICs) doesn't mean I'm retarded or ignorant or about to send my bank info to a Nigerian scammer. Sorry buddy, but I've been hearing the same comments about BFL from people like you for over a year now, before they even announced ASICs. People still hated them back when they were only selling FPGAs, and what-do-ya-know their FPGA Singles have been hashing away nonstop since I bought them. After all the hate, I'm kind of sick of it. I feel your pain (part in bold), it's the same for me too. Anyhow, this does not change the fact that its fair to tell clearly to new users that they won't get their units any time soon if they order now. This is a fact. If they were really shipping orders placed now, both you and me could order some Singles (which are very reasonably priced for their hashrate) and try to recoup our initial BTC investment paying in fiat for this new units. But no, we know that the Singles dont even exist yet, that our units could still take AGES to arrive, let's don't even imagine about an order placed TODAY. We have to face reality... And ridiculous claims as per "they are shipping" are just confusing uninformed users, which can also be easily blinded by greed. |
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i know it's against todays experience.. but .. .. to me looks like bullish.
I honestly don't understand why the price is falling today. Nothing but great news coming out for the past week. There are a lot of very rich folks with lots invested in Bitcoin and Bitcoin-companies that are going to be building out the infrastructure something fierce over the next year. Because most of the people pour their fiat in just because the price raises, and a bubble just bursted? This is what you get when speculative mania cools down. good buying opportunity today, rockets taking off tonight or tomorrow but watch out for that red hot 120$ end of week sales could drop us down under 100 for a little while oh boy would that be fun  that'd be lovely  |
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i know it's against todays experience.. but .. .. to me looks like bullish.
I honestly don't understand why the price is falling today. Nothing but great news coming out for the past week. There are a lot of very rich folks with lots invested in Bitcoin and Bitcoin-companies that are going to be building out the infrastructure something fierce over the next year. Because most of the people pour their fiat in just because the price raises, and a bubble just bursted? This is what you get when speculative mania cools down. |
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Bueno, y ya tenemos otra vez la batalla entre Hayek y Keynes pero en versión dibujos animados.
Menos foros y más libros...
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Crazyates, do you work for BFL?
The OP declared interested in buying a Bitforce 5GHs, and asked: do they ship now?
It's obvious that an unit bought now WILL NOT ship now. It will takes MONTHS to ship. That's the reality, no need to play games.
BFL had more success in creating a cult than in creating products... and I guess they are well aware of it and exploiting it for their benefit. That's how weak minds work: If they retract their decision it would be a tacit admittance of making a stupid decision, therefore they defend their bad decisions by all means possible, to the point that when all rational arguments are exhausted they appeal to fallacies and rhetorical devices to defend the indefensible. This stupid human weakness is exploited a lot in the infamous Nigerian scams, and in many other type of scams. They trapped people between impossible decisions, between correcting themselves and looking stupid or staying dumb and looking stubborn. The latter resolution affects less their egos, so that's the road they take. Nobody wants to admit to be wrong, and as long as that's the case, they will stay trapped in their mediocrity. I also took a gamble with BFL. I knew it was a gamble, and I decided to take it anyway. I'm loosing, and I'm loosing twice because I decided to pay in BTC (it felt right to support BTC economy, now I know I was plainly stupid as they get fiat from Bitpay in any case). But at the end of the day, I acknowledge this loss I wittingly exposed myself when taking this gamble, and I move on and I acknowledge I was mistaken. No need to have the Stockholm Syndrome. No need to tell to a new user "They are shipping now!" when he says that he is interested in buying a BFL miner today. Because that's a LIE. I feel better if others don't make the same mistake, it feels very unfair when I see how they still suck new users with the "we're shipping soon" BS. Thus, I don't understand crazyates position, unless he is paid by BFL. |
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I think you miss an important point: the world is ruled by bankers, and this is a REAL problem. They set the rules, and Bitcoin has the potential to solve this problem.
I know, you say this is the "idealistic" side. It's not "idealistic". It's the reality. It's about freedom.
This does not mean that Bitcoin will succeed, it means that is worth to believe in it and support it. Many people share this view, and more will come - despite of the fact that the short-term bubbles are pure speculative mania.
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I do believe "Scammer" tag is in order here.  Yes, please! This really put a sour taste in my mouth for BCT's auctions. I think based on the OP and the auction end time, I should have won both units. Perhaps, I was some grief in the end, by not having my bid honored... Yes, I think this is not the first time OP does this - correct? |
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Well, and the english used by "jonn hart" is incredibly similar to the OP, hope he gets a scammer tag ASAP
I agree +1000 You can open a post in the Scam accusation subforum for the mods to apply it. It's obvious he is the scammer. |
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Place your bids 120 will soon be close!
I read this as a "please, don't let 120 fall" Not as in "easy money if you buy at 120" The truth is that the media mania period expired and we are going down for some time. I personally don't think that 120 will hold. Long term bullish, medium term bear. I agree with that. Don't know what will be the bottom, but if we break $120, a decline to $70 wouldn't surprise me. Anyhow, long term Bitcoin looks stronger than ever. |
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Well, and the english used by "jonn hart" is incredibly similar to the OP, hope he gets a scammer tag ASAP
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Crazyates, do you work for BFL?
The OP declared interest in buying a Bitforce 5GHs, and asked: do they ship now?
It's obvious that an unit bought now WILL NOT ship now. It will takes MONTHS to ship. That's the reality, no need to play games.
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Guys, give them a break - no news is good news. They updated on the 15th, they said there was a small delay, chill and stop freaking out, its pointless.
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Hope you get back that money, you put a lot of trust in Bitmit... Check the "about the seller", they don't even have ID verification (I know it could be easily faked, but still..) EDIT: and yeah, the OP is the seller and a scammer for sure. Looks at the ridiculous claims he does to bump the thread, "if I were you I would buy for sure!", etc... And: "Escrow: Yes" means Bitmit will hold the amount as long the buyer got the Mini Rig Like giving legitimacy to the scam... Unfortunately these forums are full of jokers. |
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Let's be serious, only real support is at $120. Breaking or not that point is a real mid term indicator.
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Bid sum is $5 million higher than at the price peak. But is your belief weakened by the likelihood that a great many of those bids below $120 are simply waiting to spend the cash raised when they sold earlier? My sleep-at-night bids are already there. Who here with $ at gox does not have some bids in place? Maybe new money is waning and their lack of bids is obscured by the new bids from recent sellers. Yeah, the truth is that taking out the money from the system is much more difficult that sending it in. Fuck, the apostille thing is crazy, the Gox guys take FOREVER to go through the docs, then you program a withdraw and it takes WEEKS to be processed... For the average Joe "cashing out" from Gox is even more difficult that buying its firts Bitcoins... Everything needs to improve A LOT - BTC need to be widely available and easy to buy and to sell for it to be really huge. Now its very difficult for a newbie, the learning curve is sharp. |
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So you are guaranteeing here that an April order like the one we are discussing in this post will be delivered in July?
You represent a company, I'd appreciate some clear and honest statements instead of trolling.
You know what? Dont bother buying BFL mining products or any mining products. Just take your money and listen to some genius here, buy stocks.... while at it ask your broker to GUARANTEE your ROI is 100% annually. Then come back and share your joy with us. Yup thats how its done,..... like a boss. I'm not asking for a guaranteed ROI - I'm asking for a guaranteed delivery date. It's so difficult for you to understand that? Why don't you buy Bitcoin from me, I tell you all sales are final, you send me the fiat, and then I don't send your BTCs for months. And if you dare to bitch I will tell you to just buy stocks. |
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