The tf alt patrol seems to be marching through this thread.

Only agreement is to pay what he wants?!  Does this guy work for tradefortess?  Or he simply is an alt for tradefortess?  If the former, I hope you dont ever end up on his bad side or I'll be the one quoting this post in your complaint thread.

I wonder how many sock puppets tf has on this site.

I'll say one thing about this thread, I started it with two questions in mind:

1) someone lowered my trust, who? why?
2) what recourse do I have?

Now I know the answer to (1).  Tf, aka the admin on coinchat, is who.  The why seems to be a general spirit of vindictiveness against a little guy who angered him some months ago.

As to (2), the answer seems to be little or none.  I can put the facts out here on this thread, but tf has too many sock-puppets or just plain minions who will answer each of my posts with 'tf is your god, you have angered him and therefore you deserve any and all consequences he chooses to mete out for you.'  So its clear that any rational challenge to my attacker is going to be overwhelmed by the flood of TF worship.

I'm going to keep going back to these facts:

a) I did nothing wrong on this site or any other
b) I have never traded on the bitcointalk.org marketplace
c) Tf and I entered into no agreement and risked no btc on each other (tf admits this)
d) Tf refuses to remove his slanderous feedback

Tf is continuing to attempt to extort an arbitrary amount of money from me in exchange for using his godlike powers here to clear my name.  To those that suggest I pay the blackmailer whatever he demands I ask this: what will stop him from going back to his 'DB' in a week's time and return saying 'oh I made a mistake, actually you owe me xx more money', reslapping me with an antitrust rating until I pay again.  I'm beginning to wonder if the other people who have called him a scammer suffered from these sorts of extortion attempts.

So I simply repeat, yes I chatted on coinchat.  But no, that does not amount to an agreement to pay tf whatever he demands.

Nice to know that tf is the final arbiter of truth when it comes to his accusations.

Tf hath spoken, pay up or shut up.

Others have suffered similar fates at your hand?

Thanks for your 'advise [sic]'.

1) I have not acted unethically and not a single shred of evidence has been produced which suggests that I have
2) tf is unethically attempting to extort payment from me for arbitrary amounts at his whimsy.  He is falesly holding marketplace trust against me despite admitting he risked no btc on me and that we had no agreement.

For all of you who are suggesting I pay whatever amount he asks, I just hope he doesn't go after you next.  What guarantee do I have that he wouldn't just try to extort more? 

Great, so using coinchat is stealing.  And coinchat users are 'stealing' whatever amount tf accuses them of.  I wonder why you seem to have such a vested interest in this?

Finally, decrying false allegations against myself is not 'crying'.   If you are going to stay involved in this conversation, please stick to the established issue: tf invents an aribitrary amount and falsely accuses me of stealing from him.  He engages in extortion against me for this amount on an unrelated site.

I just hope that tf doesnt get unhappy with you someday (assuming you are not actually him), you may not like it to be falsely accused and crucified without evidence.

Huh?  I have no idea where that amount comes from.  Tf started it at 1.5Btc and seemed to lower it to .5 arbitrarily.  In any case, I certainly have not stolen anything.  I sent messages to a site that gives btc for sending messages.  How is that stealing?  I hacked nothing,  I enjoyed the site normally until I was banned.

Thanks, I feel rather calm.


Ok, so tf is licensed to extort any amount he chooses.  I just accept that?
For you, it's not relevant that the rules were asked for repeatedly and weren't provided until after the ban? Hmmm.
Charming.

Risked btc in trust ratings is explicitly defined as follows.  


If you admit we did not engage in a currency trade then that is obviously tantamount to admitting that you are abusing the marketplace trust system because of an unrelated personal grudge.  Tf, why don't you admit that it's time for you to make this right?  Drop the false allegations against me and I will drop mine.  I really don't think this is helping you or your reputation to keep holding out on charges that you have admitted are false.

Again, it's nice of you to chime in but you dont have your facts straight and you are missing the point.

The account he's talking about 'wikib0t' was created by me but I never used it beyond logging in and out a few times.  If tf is being honest, he'll admit that. 

2nd, as I've stated before (despite it's irrelevance), my use of a 'bot' has been entirely overstated.  Admin on coinchat was helping me to make a script for answering questions from the wikipedia.  I enjoyed chatting on coinchat quite often before I was banned and told to pay an arbitrary amount to be reinstated.

3rd, why are you so interested in the rules of coinchat?  Are you a tf sockpuppet?  I dont really get it.

4th, the main point, whatever gripes tradefortress (and bitcoininterest) have about my use of coinchat, it doesn't justify false accusations and extortion attempts for arbitrary amounts of money on another site under another name.

Here's the relevant question.  Obviously TF and I entered into no such currency trade agreement so it will be impossible for him to provide any genuine evidence that we have.  I'm just trying to leave this at the bottom of the thread because it's important to me for people to see that despite my feedback saying that TF 'risked .5BTC' (or whatever it currently says) in fact he and I have no such agreement and this accusation is false.

Well of course you're welcome to your opinion but I repeat that:

0) I never saw the rules of coinchat until after I was banned (despite explicitly asking for them several times)
1) TF and I never entered into any currency trade agreement
2) TF is falsely accusing me of having enterered into an agreement with him

For me, it's important make sure that people know and agree to the rules if you want to be relevant.  Also, I just can't see how coinchatting too often or too much such that I was banned by the admin equates to I owe admin whatever arbitrary amount he says I owe him and that if I don't comply I'm a spammer.

Ok, but it's really not about trust it's about false accusations.  By saying that 'risked' BTC on me he is suggesting that he and I entered into some agreement and that he sent me that amount of BTC and that I never followed through.  In fact, no such chain of events occurred and it wasn't until I said "what the hell?" that I even found out that TF is the sore admin from coinchat who seems to want to undo the past.

I don't get it, you make a site that gives out bitcoins for chatting then get mad when someone gets bitcoins for chatting then go and suggest that person stole from you on an unrelated site under a different name?

Again, it's not about ego, I've said "I'm sorry" to "admin" of coinchat via e-mail when he banned me.  He finally sent a link to the rules and I reviewed them and said I was sorry for breaking them.  He told me at that time that he wanted me to pay back such and such an amount (without any discussion as to where he chose this amount from and why) if I wanted to rejoin coinchat.  For me that was too onerous a burden so we parted ways (until very recently when he launched his attack on my trust rating here).

Do posts in meta also count towards our paid total?  Just curious.

Thanks for the input, everyone.

I just want to reiterate this request so that everyone can see that we're waiting for a reply on this one:



@tradefortress:

If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation.  If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).

Ok, that's encouraging too, I suppose that I don't mind using an escrow if I ever were to want to trade.  In any case, I'm hoping that the community will convince tf to drop his false allegations after discussion in the other thread.  We'll see.

We are discussing now in another thread, in a sense that's encouraging.

Thanks for the suggestion and encouragement about trading.  In fact, I'm not trying to trade at the moment, but I am trying to clear my reputation of false allegations should I ever wish to do so.

Tradefortress: it is you who are attempting to switch the topic.  Do you allege that I entered into a currency trade agreement with you as in below:


If you assert that we entered into such an agreement please provide documentation.  If you do not assert that we entered into such an agreement please remove your trust feedback against me and I will remove mine against you (which I admit was purely placed there for parity against your false accusation).

Ok, thanks for the feedback r3wt.  I don't know if you're a moderator here.  But now I understand that tradefortress and powerful people on this site can use the marketplace trust system to abuse people who they hold a grudge against for actions unrelated to bitcointalk.  That is, marketplace trust and 'risked' BTC don't actually have to relate to any trade agreement on this marketplace.  In fact, if what Tradefortress is doing to me is acceptable then it's clear that  'risked' BTC doesn't actually have to mean that you sent anyone that amount of BTC, just that you feel it's an amount you are owed according to reasons which you only have to justify to yourself.

According to this logic, I have now registered feedback against tradefortress that I 'risked' 0.5BTC on him.  I feel justified in doing this because if I were ever to wish to trade on this site, surely my potential profits could have reached 0.5BTC were it not for the "illegal" slander which tradefortress has dragged my name into.  I justify this according to my own rationale, not that I actually sent him that money or had an agreement with him for services for that money.  Guess fair is fair, even if it hurts everyone in this case.