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4221  Other / Off-topic / Re: Would YOU choose to live forever? on: November 05, 2017, 04:58:53 PM
Living forever is hell, trust me.. As a human being we want many things in our lifes.
But living forever.. it will change your mind rapidly..

As it is said: People want to live 4ever, but they do not know what do to on Sunday's rainy morning...
Why would I trust you with this? It sounds like you don't enjoy your life right now, so you don't want to live forever. I'm pretty sure if you enjoyed your life to its fullest potential you wouldn't want to die.

And personally, I could keep myself entertained for all of eternity quite easily. If you ever get bored it's your own fault, because you choose to be bored.
4222  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES | Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform | unofficial supporters topic on: November 05, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
best way to buy waves?

Your own Waves-wallet of course. Just deposit your Bitcoins there and you are good to go.

Ps. If you are fast you may have time to grab some supercheap Waves Community Tokens ass well, and receive some free Bitcoin Cash on the first round tomorrow (and many rounds later).    Wink
You need at least 0.001 Waves if you want to buy Waves in the Waves wallet with Bitcoin to pay the fees. A faucet can fix that, but it's an unpleasant surprise if you are not aware of this.
4223  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you surprise by bitcoin price now? on: November 05, 2017, 04:55:27 PM
Hey guys, today 1 BTC is 7565.02 US Dollar. Do you think it will keep growing?
Everyone seems to think that the fork matters, so it's quite possible that it will keep growing at least until the fork before correcting.
4224  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Could Japan ban ICOs? on: November 05, 2017, 04:54:58 PM
Japan is way too hot on crypto to start cracking down on it like China. Keep in mind that Japan and China are vastly different countries with different mentalities too. While China loves to censor its people, Japan is much more forward oriented, perhaps due to their small size.
In either way, Japan has been a frontrunner when it comes to technology for a long time now, and I doubt crypto will be any different.
4225  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are you surprise by bitcoin price now? on: November 05, 2017, 04:52:42 PM
Not really. Bitcoin has existed for a while and it was just a matter of time before it would start exploding into the mainstream once it started hitting the mainstream news. We're nowhere near the end yet either.
4226  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Most Undervalued Coin of 2017! on: November 05, 2017, 04:50:43 PM
I think Stratis is somehow undervalued.
Of cause it does not have a finished product yet, but the platform they are creating looks on paper really promising.
You could say it copied Ethereum, but I would rather say it optimized it for the industriell use.
C# is a widely used programming language, so it is easier to use Stratis.
If you listen to the developers, they sound really determined and focused on a good product that should be finished in 2018.
I guess all this should be included in price, because I am not the only one knowing it, but it does not feel so. There is a lot more hype around Asian solutions like NEO.
Besides that the community is great. Just check out the slack.

With a 300 mil USD market cap, I don't think Stratis is undervalued for it's current state. I agree, it's a solid project with a great dev team and definitely has a bright future, but for it's current state of development, it's not undervalued at all.
Under- and overvalued are terms thrown around very carelessly on this forum... Just like bubble and scam... Wouldn't pay too much attention to it.

Agree with your assessment though, people don't seem to realize that it takes time to create real value.
4227  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES | Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform | unofficial supporters topic on: November 05, 2017, 04:48:54 PM
 is the quantity of tokens limited?
Yes, 100m.
4228  Economy / Economics / Re: Why economists say Bitcoin a bubble on: November 05, 2017, 04:25:07 PM
In my thought. BTC is indeed getting overbought for, lets just say that BTC is being easier for people to invest money just by using internet. While the economy is being low because it isn't working right for the other people are working the btc instead of helping the community rise its economy.
It's hard to overbuy BTC when it can be used as a currency, as an investment and as a vehicle for altcoin investments all at the same time.
4229  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.10.0 on: November 05, 2017, 04:21:52 PM
Where can I find ur wp?
I think Doge was before Whitepapers.
4230  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: 🌟[ANN][ICO] Coinlancer.io CL - Freelancers Of The World Unite - ICO| 14th OCT🌟 on: November 05, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
People !! I'll tell you that. CoinLancer is a circus on wheels. For 5 days they can not fix the counter from the invested money on the home page. They can not answer the question of whether Token will be on the stock market this month. When they ask questions, they either run away from the chat, or they wait for the answer, and they do not answer anything later. Will someone explain to me what this is for a company?
The company should be specific and professional if it wants to succeed, and this company is a circus on wheels. I would rather lead their business than they all !!!
They can not even do simple easy things, and they are going to run a business? It's a joke !!!
One of my favourite ICOs to stay very far away from. Smiley
4231  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dilemma: sell or hold with these high prices & upcoming fork on: November 05, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
I would love to further increase my profits at this point in time, but knowing that it's a 900% increase already, there's no point being greedy and cashing out some of it would be the most sane thing to do and keeping a few intact, just in case the price continues to move upward. Having a back up plan is always the sanest thing to do in life, and of course most especially in finance.
Yeah I would cash out ~20% if I was actually worried about losing money. That way the initial investment would be doubled, which is quite nice by any reasonable standard. Have to keep taxes in mind though.

Oh my god BTCMILLIONAIRE, you're letting them tax you on personal income which means that every percentage you gain you'll lose twice through capital appreciation to the government. Since you can't pay the government in bitcoin you'll cashout to dollars, lose liquidity just to pay extortion fees through dollars and lose a vast majority of your wealth in the process. I know for a fact that you're not a millionaire because you would have registered a corporation which would have tax differed all your crypto holdings in the United States. You need to go back to the drawing board and create a plan on how to protect your wealth in crypto, I'm sorry there are no excuses when playing this game.

If you want to know more then just send me a pm.
I'm not in the US, but I'll take you up on the offer of PMing you since I have been thinking of moving there.

Also, I'm not cashing out any of my crypto portfolio into fiat and just letting it sit because there is zero tax on this type of long-term investment in my country with only one simple hoop to jump through.
Quite a few countries have exceptionally low taxes for long-term holds as well, which is why I brought this up in the first place.
And most people on here don't seem to think about taxes at all, which is another reason to bring it up. I am pretty sure that a lot of people will wake up to a very bad surprise if they actually manage to make any substantial profits and try to buy anything big.
4232  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin regaining dominance. on: November 05, 2017, 04:08:00 PM
15 days have passed since I opened this post. I've just had a look at the dominance graph again and it keeps widening, favoring bitcoin. Ethereum has been constantly losing dominance against it. All coins have, apart from bitcoin cash, but not in a relevant percentage as it stands at 5%.

At present, bitcoin has 62%, more than 4 times as much as its biggest competitor, ethereum.

Do you think this will change after Segwit2x fork?
That's very hard to answer.

If S2x makes the network much faster and cheaper to use, it could be possible that people would jump on Bitcoin even quicker than before, thus increasing the price. It's also possible that the Bitcoin profits will be cashed out and shifted into fiat and altcoins instead while waiting for the next rally.

In reality it will be a mix of the two and then some, and the course of Bitcoin will depend on which "flow" is stronger at the time.
4233  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do card holders like Visa provide information to Central Banks? on: November 05, 2017, 04:05:35 PM
NO! they are not allowed to divulge such information unless authority ask for it.
In some countries they have to report immediately. And if there are any irregularities there might be a thorough investigation.
4234  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bananas + blockchain ... Can it work? on: November 05, 2017, 04:04:23 PM
How is the price of 1 coin = 1kg of bananas going to be guaranteed?

Everyone is talking about how some people don't understand blockchain technogology, but it seems like a whole lot of you are forgetting the fundamental principal of blockchain technology: it is decentralized, open source, and controlled by anybody.

Coins issued from a blockchain can be used freely by anyone, they can sell it for whatever price they want, keep it, whatever.
How can investors liquidate their investment?
If it's through exchanges than the people and market will determine the price, not the company.
If it works like stocks (similar to lykke), then the only way to guarantee the price would be if it is centrally controlled by the company itself.
Is there anything in the works for that?

So to me, it seems impossible to guarantee that 1coin = 1kg of bananas.
Salt has already run into similar problems when it promoted that membership into salt would be 1salt = $10
Well, the market has decided that 1salt -$2.49
How much value are people going to put on a coin that has no real use and no guarantee in price?
There are numerous cryptos that are pecked to a certain price. Just look at Tether, it's always at a fixed $1 USD.

And in the case of BananaCoin, it's simply that holding one coin will mean that you will later get the profits off of 1 kg of Bananas after they sell. It doesn't mean that the price of the token has to be exactly that, but you will get at least the price of one kg of bananas distributed to you after the sales.

People can choose to sell it for cheaper because they want to have liquidity now, or people can choose to pay more for a BananaCoin hoping to get the dividend multiple times in the future.
4235  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Waves hold for longterm Good or Not? on: November 05, 2017, 04:01:33 PM
IMHO, Waves is a good choice specially for long term but you should avoid putting all your eggs on this basket! Wink

I agree with you.

At the moment WAVES dropped to $2.8 few days ago, I converted 8% of my portfolio to WAVES and managed to buy it at $2.84-$2.91. Now I sold 1/2 for 20+% profit and put another buying order @2.8. I will hold the rest for at least few months as I believe the price will pass $5 in earlier 2018.

However, you are right about all eggs - always have a wide portfolio.
Be careful about having a "too wide" portfolio though. There are a lot of people who assume that diversification means buying as many assets as possible. That's not the case though. It's better to have a few really strong assets than a lot of mediocre ones. So it always pays to do extremely thorough research on every investment.
4236  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What to do with 1 Bitcoin? on: November 05, 2017, 03:55:35 PM
Sure, but one doesn't make any amount of money that is worth caring about even without factoring the diminishing returns over time in.

 I hate to say it as I don't wanna be that guy but... Your a blabbering fucking idiot.

 I noticed you didn't respond to the post before as you literally have no come back.

 Fact. If you own a S9 you are making over $20+ a day and paying less than .11 in elec.

 You have no basis for your claims, nor any reasonable argument why not to buy one.

 Rather than fucking sit here all high and mighty and preach, how bout you show some real figures as to why not. True that.

Scrap'
I provided detailed reasoning several times. And it should be obvious to anyone with the most basic understandings of business structures.

But anyway, since you prefer insulting over turning on your brain, here's some hard data.


A single S9 unit costs around $3500 right now and draws 1400 Watts. At 10 cents per KWH and current Bitcoin prices that means a profit of just under $15 a day, which means 8 months of mining to break-even. And this is before the adjusting difficulty or any increase or decline in prices.

Now, since mining is a multi-billion dollar corporate endeavour these days, said corporations will rush to increase their hashrate as soon as they possibly can if the prices allow to do so. And since they are fucking billion-dollar corporations, they will get better prices on hardware, thus further increasing their profitability by decreased costs. Hence, the hashrate will increase very rapidly whenever there is a significant increase in prices (which has happened literally every single time so far in the history of every single cryptocurrency).

As a result, the above estimate will be on the low end even with Bitcoin prices increasing, so in reality you will be looking at longer than 8 months to make your money back. On top of that you have the opportunity cost of losing out on Bitcoin's price increase, that this year around would've equalled a break-even period of less than two months average, which is four times higher than the generous estimate of 8 months on the miner.
The one and only benefit that a miner offers over buying Bitcoin directly is the fact that it could potentially be resold and thus serve as a hedge. This however, is only viable in the event that Bitcoin remains popular, in which case you'll profit significantly more by just holding the coins.

In the event that Bitcoin decreases in popularity, not only your profits will go down by mining, but the resale value will decrease significantly as well because ASICs are completely useless for anything else.
In anyway, the point that I've repeatedly made remains. Unless you're a hobby nerd and want to try out mining for fun, or have a significant amount of wealth invested in crypto that you want hedged against the high volatility and have competitive electricty prices (sub 5 cents because the giant farms will drive the profits down into this range) it makes no sense to buy ASICs to mine Bitcoin.

And in the case of a hobby miner you're better of with GPUs due to the ease of resale in case of crypto going south.



Sorry for taking a dump on your lawn, since you're clearly into mining. But it just simply makes no sense for low net worth individuals from a strictly economic perspective.


P.S. This is calculated at the $7530 price, only a month ago the profit would've been around $8 per day, equating to a break-even period of at least 14 months before adjusting for changes in hash rate. Pretty fucking shitty ROI for a crypto investment.

P.P.S. Complaining about people "sitting high and mighty" immediately invalidates all of your posts. Shows that you can't argue or reason without getting emotional or personal. I recommend working on that.
4237  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.10.0 on: November 05, 2017, 03:34:18 PM
DOGECOIN'S PRICE TO INCREASE 10,000%+ IN THE FUTURE
http://www.luckytong.com/dogecoins-price-to-increase-10000-in-the-future/
1 DOGE PRICE =10000X1/100 =100  YOUR LOCAL CURRENCY IN FUTURE SOON.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/7amxsp/dogecoin_more_popular_than_litecoin_in_india_and/
SMART PEOPLES ALREADY BUYING DOGECOIN IN MARKET AT LOW PRICE AND HOLD THEIR DOGECOIN IN WALLET NOW.
1 Doge = $100? Wow. Screw Bitcoin amirite guys Roll Eyes
4238  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO] SONM: Supercomputer Organized by Network Mining on: November 05, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
why is there no price shown?
https://ethplorer.io/address/0x983f6d60db79ea8ca4eb9968c6aff8cfa04b3c63

what does it need that this will be changed?
Don't really know, but it works on etherscan.
4239  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: WAVES | Ultimate crypto-tokens blockchain platform | unofficial supporters topic on: November 05, 2017, 03:30:51 PM
best way to buy waves?
On Bittrex.
4240  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bananas + blockchain ... Can it work? on: November 05, 2017, 03:30:09 PM
This sounds all very useless and I don't see a potential at all in this project. If you do manage to make this project good, then kudos to you! Grin Grin
It's a pretty good investment if their numbers are right actually.
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