^ Europe definitely lives on different rules and yes I can as easily sell for euro tether etc at some exchanges:
- Local ones very bad rate when w/d euro and not instant.
- Binance no more SEPA so 1.5% fee and days. $30 is regular bank
- Bittrex same day but $25-35 fee for any bank.
- Bitpanda same day no fees but shit rate.
- P2P shittier by the day on LBC, on bisq and others pretty good but not guaranteed same day and yeah, ever since GDPR and AMLD5 it's a pain to find good rates/liquidity. Hate splitting up sells among several traders.

But p2p traders in southeast asia, which is how I am most easily able to liquidate, BTC is king. You can also do Tether but won't be a great rate.

Plus, all traders have a big spread that is still better rates than at any exchange so I still gain a significant amount more selling BTC for local currency then sending to myself euros. Of course an additional step of inconvenience but actually faster. I can sell BTC to SEA trader and remit back to myself with a similar Transferwise service all instant, literally in under a minute I can get it all and significantly more than if I sell it direct at an exchange.

Again, just my personal preference experience -- it's actually still a frigging PITA to not be N American or European trying to reside there and live on crypto but yeah anyway, I guess I'm also really Bitcoin-oriented. Have a Metamask for all the other networks but just still find it my second resort.

Don't know how I didn't see this earlier would have asked them about it (I always use one of the Gulf airlines travelling home)

But I actually already used several airlines with Bitcoin, but via travelbybit. They cost a lot more on regular routes but the exotic routes, especially those with >1 transit? They cost cheaper when paying with Bitcoin.

Only problem comes later with some slight adjusting with the airlines itself IF your flight gets changed etc but otherwise I booked several returns on long distance and saved quite a bit.

Actually haven't found anyone else I know using it. Anyone here does?

And on the airlne subject, anyone look into AirBaltic's... latest crypto er, gig?

Yeah happy days for me too! Finally, bagged my first big win in a long long time. Even had time to make a hedge on Wales at 4.3 when NL led... so you can imagine my disappointment at the 92nd min equaliser. Nice to hear it also turned out for you Trofo!

Thank you tall Dutch men who can head the ball...

but phew the game was horrible to watch until around minute 85... de Jong de licht all of them passing like England League One clubs. Not that the Welsh were any better.


It's all luck in the end (some skill for sure but how to you say the guy who predicted 2-1 is twice as good as they guy prediction 3-1 right?).

I'm rooting for you, honestly, I like seeing a new guy come in and show us all how it's done.

You literally shot yourself when you said you had a good chance at predicting Belgium-Poland though ha, but nah that's you being a true sportsman and allowing the rest of us to try and catch up

Yeah thanks, do need to tune in more often, just pretty awkward timing. So I don't think I won anything, highest scoring quarter was 2nd and I picked 4th, and then Curry... apparently had a shitty game

Question: where on earth to find stats like how many 3 ptrs he had? Gave up after a while.


Probably should clarify, even if I use Tron (which I don't) I'd still have to find a way to convert it back into a currency I could sell easily.

I use BUSDT sometimes too (Binance Smart Chain USDT), but eventually I need to send it somewhere, and that's normally to Binance to convert to BTC or some other real crypto then I cough up the fee anyway.

So the fee's always something I've to pay at some point (whether on network or on exchange).

BTC I like because I pay a really small fee, and I sell immediately p2p, so I get virtually all the value back. Every other crypto kicks me in the shin -- blame my passport I guess heh.

Debit cards have always been easy to get without KYC, though, no? I mean, I know it's getting harder and harder. Used to be you could just sign up with an email online and get all kinds of debit cards -- it's free money for the issuer as they charge you well high on reloads and fees. Now you do need to provide more info -- billing address proof, name, but I'm pretty sure it's still possible to get gift card type debit cards that don't bear a name.

As nullama points out above too, virtual cards still don't need a name.

So what's the big deal here really? That it can spend Bitcoin? Big deal =p

Well done, friend! Saw your ticket, and thanks to Weghorst the damned tall abomination, I had my first winning acca in a long, long time -- that does happen to be Nations League but yeah, we don't care haha. All the favourites in Group A and B won finally.


Great! Then I'm definitely putting in a small bet on that -- Aussies and Kiwis both have always almost been put at high-value odds because they do end up losing/drawing a lot against UEFA and Concacaf teams. I should know, I pick them quite a lot when odds are above 5/1 on ML heh.

But they play in hot Qatar so I wonder is Australia might prefer that... if Peru play at home, the high altitudes always suck the life out of opponents but elsewhere their inferior height is a problem.

@icopress I'm happy to let you join as Trofo suggests, I even don't mind giving my position's points as a starting base but agree, you'd have to join at last position to not risk anyone being sad heh.

LuckyGuy's the bastard to beat though.

Anyway. I wanted to wait till after the game tonight to mention my hedge against the shitty Hungary double chance win, and if Netherlands again pulls it off, I will have my first winning ticket since... 3 weeks? Amazing huh, even will get insurance if I lose.

But see, needed all the AFCON games plus World Cup to get it right, Italy really only scraped through.

If NL scores first and I happen to be online, you bet I'm hedging with a Welsh handicap!

Edit: my usual image sharing site down but it's a 12.85 ticket: Cape Verde, Zambia, Australia, Italy + Netherlands ML.

Just reminded me of Localbitcoins pre-AMLD5... you used to be able to find a lot of people who actually do OTC on Localbitcoins, you know it is them when you see their buy/sell limits are in the million of dollars, and their method of payment was face-to-face (cash in person).

Contact them and you find out they almost always have an OTC website, you agree to the exact price and BTC, and it's settled off-site.

Maybe everyone like that started out p2p, and started then working with many different bigger traders to pool liquidity. And maybe this means 1 OTC broker is actually an agent for all the different owners? I did use to think if that was one way of starting it?

Didn't see it either, and wouldn't have known about today's one if I didn't see your post so thank you =D

Annoying to see the "you must bet" message first when I've been losing daily bets on Nations League there already haha. I know, I know, it's just $10 but one might think last night's losing bets should count haha.

I have something like $30 USDT -- which if I take out and send back to someone else will probably cost me $30 in fees haha.

It was amazing but frustrating to watch the first half (second half I was having my eyes elsewhere so couldn't really tell if they improved) but this match was so important to them and they played like they were not really hungry (I even felt UAE were more desperate).

Peru's pretty good, mind you, they've been solid players in the Concacaf games -- both will want to continue their WC final appearance but yeah, Aussie's got the weight of history behind them, appearing in every edition I've ever watched except the first (1998, where they lost the playoff to Iran)

Who else thinks a Kiwi-Aussie acca is worth the money?

I don't think it will, but the weight of percentage is there...

ATH on past ATH keeps getting smaller in magnitude. At the same time, the severity of the floor from ATH does seem to dampen little by little... but the last floor was 85% of the ATH. For us to hit a floor of 20k is a pullback of less than 70%.

I'd never gamble on Bitcoin not pulling back that far.

Of course I'm real happy if we never break old ATH and stick to the course of that side of history.

Yeah, something I actually forgot about, the World Cup. See how they make us quickly forget once they've shelved things around?

Oh and yes, thanks everyone for supporting my bet. Which actually ticked off 2/3 legs except the Hungary double chance. Hooray! You 3-pointer exact scorers can thank me personally.

Not related to this thread perhaps but related to the whole fiasco of Nations League and internationals, I just got f'd up by Qatar Air moving flights in summer. They say it's an airport issue but I bet you it's the whole World Cup prep thing. So now instead of a 22 hour flight with one layover I have a fantastic 48+ hr hopping time across the Asian continent. Compensation? Nada. Considered refund and rebook but flights are 60% up since I last booked. And not getting cheaper.

If anyone doesn't need to fly this summer/winter. Don't. Cost to fly return to my nook of the world is over 200% costlier than in 2020. I blame Covid yes, but also World Cup as I idiotically took the route that goes past there.

Woo hoo Australia!

Watched the first half just before Germany-England Nations League game and I have to say I feared the worst when half time came up, Aussies had the offense but ended up blunt, but by the time they scored the first goal (with their only shot on target all game) I was okay. Then the equaliser -- had a bet riding on it -- and good old late goal popped up.

@KTChampions I got Aussie at effective 19/10 boost so really pleased. Somehow like them in the WC, even if they end up just getting whipped heh.

Up next Peru!

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I know exactly what you mean about pride, some inane desire to prove to myself I can get one big win out of this. It's not like I've got anyone to prove myself to either. I don't think it's my worst streak (that's many years ago getting to know Liverpool heh) but it's certainly one of my most humiliating performances this season overall in recent years, now just carrying over to post-season.

I'll take your BTTS and pair it with a double chance Hungary.


Go Hungary, that's my double chance, and if I lose at least I get the superbru points ha...

Can't add more to what others have said but really, can't emphasise enough that bots are there to automate, just like in trading. There's no strategy that is foolproof so the best you can do is get the strategy to meet your requirements as quickly and with the least losses as possible.

I've never really had the need for bots -- once the site has autobet anyway, it meets my needs. That's generally just for wager requirements (dice anyway).

I will say the advantage of bots is your results are stored locally, so you can look and chart them out later, over a huge sample size. I don't do that but I suppose it'll help for more... passionate gamblers.

He comes to mind a lot for me too. My kid watches F1 more than me (even the Fe) and it surprises me he overlooks Alonso a lot, probably doesn't register in his recent memory that the guy's an actually good driver, just happy to play second fiddle. Guys like that do enjoy racing and showing off but they know what they're there for and are just literally there to enjoy the ride.

Personally, think my love affair with Tsunoda will be unrequited. He's not impressed me this season so far.

It never hit me like that though. You buy fractions of lots in stock markets, you also buy fractions of gold (who the hell could afford an ounce as a first time buyer anyway), don't know why people saw Bitcoin differently, but I guess it's just because people see the whole BTC price everywhere and it doesn't occur you can buy parts of it. Or as you say, they feel like they're getting in early on a lowcap coin, waiting for the x100 dream.

Never seem to be able to find posts from before but this was something had spoken about the last time someone suggested it'd be expensive to mine in Southeast Asia, at least in my location -- hot, humid, and with very expensive corporate prices for electricity.

But on my island (it's a huge one, more like a mini continent) where the refineries are, I saw them myself first time 30 years ago, just chimneys... rows of them just flaring the gas non-stop 24/7. It's still flaring to this day.

So the natural gas is cheap, cheapest form of fuel anywhere in the country, but because there's no pipeline (also small population) other than to East Asia there's still too much. They try to bottle up as much as possible (why we still use cannisters to cook and to run LNG cars) but it's still way too much.

I keep thinking it's an idea to try and stave off the gas to run industries like mining anyway. It's not like that gas is being saved, it's all just been flaring for 3 decades.