some advice they are a shock/short hazard and not too good with power use.

this is the best advice.

and here is some more.   figure out if your miners   are ahead or behind in watts per gh.  

any miner 2 watts a gh or more is drowning in power costs.

any miner between 1-2 watts a gh is treading water.

any miner under 1 watt a gh is swimming well.

also figure your power price.

over 20 cents a k-watt  no good find a host.

15-20 cents you need really efficient gear at a cheap price

10-15 cents   you need efficient gear at a good price

5 to 10 cents you are in pretty good shape.

0 to 5 cents please contact me if you are close to NJ i would like to use my s-3's at your place. ( a weak try at being funny)

5 cents a k watt is possible in the northwest.

the northeast is bad 14-16 cents.

power the zeus chips burn more power and are sold from zeus the batch 5 is gridseed burns less power.

different builders plain and simple


  zeus gear sucks power  gridseed sips it


but zeus is lust dropping the fuck out if its prices.

 I love gridseed blades now 22mh or 4 for 1200.

But the zeus 40-42mh for  1299 is really cheap

 http://zoomhash.com/collections/top-sellers/products/copy-of-batch-1-zeusminer-thunder-x6-18-20mh-s-low-power-scrypt-asic-miner


even if it pulls  980 watts 


   I run 12 gridseed blades at 60mh pulling 1050 watts  but they cost me way more then 1299.

This pricing is going to prevent me from buying selling or making any money.. 

The continued speed of the gear being made/along with price drops  is crushing any chance for a profit.

Simple advice don't buy a thing for 1 month. See what the price drops to then decide.

first off scan the system to see its real number address




 http://www.advanced-ip-scanner.com/


for all you know it could  be   192.168.1.222 or whatever not 192.168.1.99

so mid august is 2 jumps.  well we are looking at a 7% on the 26th   of july and  for aug 15th a ? jump say 10 percent.  so  a diff of 22000 vs the current 17336  is pretty certain.  and do nothing low number is 38th for the 765 shares.

that comes to about 6 btc a week.    say aug 14 to aug 21 then a diff jump say 10 percent more to 25000 we then earn 5.28 btc for a week maybe another 5.28 btc then another jump.

we are up to sept 4 or 5 and we earned back 16.5btc  on the 38th not counting power  a th is 1000 watts 38 = 38k watts an hour 21 days or 1532 usd   if a recall you pay 8 cents a kwatt.

so the 16.5btc earned drops by  2.5 minimum for the power  total of 14btc to be split over 765 shares or  .0183 btc a share by sept 6th or so.  if all goes right 5x shares is .091 by sept   that is 54 bucks

 so My shares are 630 usd  so if we can mine 10 weeks and jumps are low I am ⅓ back at best.   if I allow the ba gear and don't upgrade.

 If I up grade what is my cost for 5 shares?  100, 50, 150?   anything more the 50 bucks or 10 bucks a share would be nuts.   since at best I go from maybe .2 btc return to .4 btc returned . 

The number above are rough but close and if anything high on the btc returned.

now if I was told with an escrow backed guaranty the new gear gets  .7 watts not 1 watt or .9 watts.  I will toss money at it.  and not much money 10 maybe 11 dollars a share.  which has to be escrow backed.

just does not pay off to get gear at 1 watt or .9 watts.

and mine is doing the same this is my 10 shipment from them and this has happened more then once. with orders from them see screen shot

and now a different piece of gear is available on zoom hash  appears to be a downclocked undervolted zeus miner.



http://zoomhash.com/collections/top-sellers/products/copy-of-batch-1-zeusminer-thunder-x6-18-20mh-s-low-power-scrypt-asic-miner


1300 usd for 42 mh and 1200 watts




http://zoomhash.com/collections/top-sellers/products/batch-1-zeusminer-thunder-x6-18-20mh-s-low-power-scrypt-asic-miner

749 usd for 18mh  and 500 watts


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http://zoomhash.com/products/22mhs-door-to-door-within-5-business-days-guaranteed-no-accessories

1200    4 blades for 22mh 380 watts on my plat psu


so the blades dropped to 300 each in a 4 pack




but here is what zeus has done


a  down clocked  under-volted Zeus =  389usd  9mh 250 watts

  http://zoomhash.com/products/batch-1-zeusminer-hurricane-x6-9-10mh-s-low-power-scrypt-asic-miner


a single gridseed = 325 usd 5.2 mh 90 watts http://zoomhash.com/products/80-chip-blade-miner-5200khs-door-to-door-within-7-days

I am running a thread on my 'gridseed blade in the cloud'


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=698679.0

no all they need to do is put you in a    bitsolo.net   or solopool.net type server
type section  when they get over 38 percent.  auto notify you that you are now solo mining and giving you a chance to go to another pool or continue to solo mine.

 

even if another 10% is in that section they are all solo-mining (thus not causing the 51% danger)   not a difficult solution for them to offer.

 most will not want to solo mine and will go to btcguild or  bitminter or eligus or slush

new thread link is here:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=743152.0


Note to mods this thread is in the wrong place as of July 28th. I am now mining with an antminer s-3 on the pool  and mining on btcguild along with the scrypt mining. I would think I should be in the pools section of btc/mining

this section:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=41.0

I could be wrong so no need to move the thread if you do not want to move it.

Edit Mon the 28th of July.


I added an antminer S-3 On July 28 >>>>>>>>>>    cost = $489      1 month free hosting

I added  a 27mh falcon on July 21 >>>>>>>>>>>    cost  =  $599    3 months free hosting

I started with the promo gridseed Blade on July 17th   cost = $0          Lifetime Free hosting


I ask mods to move this to mining pools in the btc section since I will be mining  with an antminer s-3.  If you want to wait until I post a screenshot of the antminer okay.

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I talked with the ceo of gawminers yesterday and I agreed to try his company again.


 This is my try with his cloud.zenminer.com  option.  I am in the cloud using a gridseed blade.

this mines at mutiple pools and converts to btc.  So I feel it can belong with btc and not alt/scrypt coins as it does result in btc payout.


First full day is today.  Note yesterday was  a part day and I earned 0.00025832 BTC

 I have about  5.2 mh   mining at the clevermining choice . >>>>>>>> this number fluxes every few minutes.

 the payment should be 0.0035376 btc

I will post it when it comes..


 I will do 10 days at each  choice. They are as below.  

 1)Clevermining

 2)CoinKing

 3)NiceHash

 4)ProfitPool

 5)WafflePool







Full disclosure I talked with the ceo of gaw and told him I would run an honest fair report on this account. My cost for the account was $0.

the small 0.00025832  btc is a few hours of mining done yesterday.
 
I also put this thread  that I can edit and mod the thread..

Here is a screen shot of my account: I plan to post 1 screen shot a date updating the results.

I would send my 10 chips and pay more money if the hash was 2x and I got the gear no later then aug 1.  plus the power was .8 watts


As far as I can tell none of the above is offered.

 I have 2 s-3's coming on fri .. I have coupons for 2 more.

They will do  1800 gh at 1360 watts.

Sending money to turn my 5x shares from 250gh-300gh? to  500- 1000gh?    


 okay  lets say I agree.

 1)what money do you want?

2)  the exact figures?

3)100 more usd?  150 more usd?

4) tell me the exact amount need for 5 shares  and for that matter the exact amount needed for 765 shares.

5)tell me the exact amount of hash for the 5/765 shares.

6)tell me the fees to mine.

7)tell me the day we start to hash.

8)tell me the power this gear uses.

I can't see sending more cash in without clear answers to all of the above.  and an escrow bond for part of the money we send in.

and even if you give a clear answer to every question above.

the math may show that the plan still gives a loss.  

this (mining) has become a very hard business   margins are tiny.

on paper both plans lose money today.

 the mine with what is due us will lose money.
 the improve the gear and mine later will lose money.

the simple reason is neither plan gives us gear as good as the s-3.  

but with all that  I will go along with the groups wishes whatever they are:

 as long as my 8 points above are done.

  I think they are fair points.



I just read howardB's post  above and he has good points.

 when did your payment clear?

  and how many did you order?


I ordered at 14:17 my payment hit the block chain at 14:52   it cleared at 15:02   I ordered 2.

If you paid fast you should have had fri delivery  like I did.  Others ordered later paid later and got friday delivery.

 Are you in a rural area in the USA?  That can slow delivery.

         then put a full count and let stunna decide.

      For me I post a lot . I did so before I joined the signature campaigns.

   I am retired  now and have the time to post   well over 400 times a month.

So this is a nice way for spare coin.  I will most likely make 500 to 600 posts from July 17 to Aug 17.

 I have some projects for this month with the s-3's they will be good to post

I have had the post office do this.

 Most likely they had a trainee doing the route.  

They don't trust him and gave him a notice to deliver not a package.

I tip my fedex my post office my ups guy.  cost me 20 for the each on july 4th and chirstmas.  total of 120 a year.

I also bring a big platter of quality cookies to the local post office during the christmas season.  With my packages in and out it is worth the money.

And contrary to popular belief  giving a  us postal worker a gift is legal.  (it must be under 25 usd and must be not  done over and over.)

2x a year for holidays is okay.

yep  just like I said we have two poor choices.  both will result in losing money.  (unless coins jump)

I can live with a loss.   adding to a loss is a no go for me.


third choice is sue black arrow   which is also a  pretty shitty choice.

 I would point an s-3 at it for 3 months.

Thank you I appreciate this.  I have always kept a bit of hash with you.  A suggestion offer a server option that awards to the block maker only.

If 10 ph of hash gets tossed at it that would keep you under 39% since it is as if all that hash is solo mined.
I have posted asking for a block maker takes all option in the pools section.  Every major pool has turned it down.  If you make the offer with a reasonable fee 25 btc to the block maker .  With the rest  of the merged coins and btc transaction fees  to  cex.io.  I think you would get many th /ph of hash .  If it does not work you can end it.

Should be a money maker for you.  It also allows us a safe reliable payer of blocks to manage us miners that want the solo option.

it is not about giving a 3 or 4  thousand to double the hash.  The time it takes is the issue.  there are 765 shares   about 100k in usd.

so for the sake of argument we all kick in 10 bucks and it is all the money needed.  the hash jumps from  38 th to 60th . 

if the gear uses 1 watt a hash and we wait 25 extra days we don't gain a thing.

bob gave us two choices  both = you lose fiat on round 17.  So why hand out more money and wait more time.

If we were told no delay the gear will be here in two days I think many would jump on it.

And even though the antminer s-3 is a bit worse then advertised  it can do 450 gh at 340 watts.   mine come on fri.   900 gh at 680 watts = .75 gh a watt

thousands will be mining by monday.  why should we pay more money for gear that does not compete with that and it will be delayed if we pay.

I am not giving more money for this r17  not for a longer wait time for power hungry gear.

4060  is my start point  for 7-17 to 8-17

I used ending point of 4055 which means I gave 5 posts away. for the crossover from 7-16 to 7-17


I did over 500 and asked for 400