To all mike sent me a code for my points and I purchased a sixth blade today.

here is the order.

yes they can run on cgminer. 

 I was only trying to show that running 2 different  programs on one pc can be done.

For me I can make .9 btc work even 1.0 btc  but higher then 1.0 btc

I may just look into the rk-box miners or the tube miners from AM

 

thanks so there is something better then my idea in your opinion the  hard fork .

  because frankly   we need to do something and to continue to allow block withholding without a deterrent is not acceptable.

you can run bfg for the ants and cg for the r-boxes on 1 laptop at the same time.

I run 6 r-boxes and 5 grid seed blades

 the r-boxes do cg miner

the grid seed blades do cpuminer.

see below


actual miners

once again :
125 posts a week
400 max a month  
max members  at 150 -200
pay monthly


the above method is easy for him and he deserves an easy method.

It allows a poster to ramp up to 125 on a busy week.
 It allows  a poster to drop down on a slow week and still reach a monthly max.
It makes someone have three accounts harder since a max of account is allowed.
It gives him an easy top btc number estimate by looking at the member count.


ie 200 members belong all do 400 posts total of 200 x 400 = 80,000 post max member to hero member avg means .0004 to .0012 to .008 is avg payment   so .0008 x 80000 = a max of 64btc to pay .

if all members max out.

also prevents someone from stacking a lot in the last 8 days of a month.

    Well while you and I may share a love of numbers and or how numbers are used in statistics many people here are earning their living via mining.
     It has become apparent that pools have an Achilles heel and finding good ways to protect the heel are needed. We do not need to fight about definitions of good luck, bad luck ,random activity. We need to  come up with plans to help guard against all the pools Achilles's heel that has been found. 

I am not sure if right now everyone even agrees that  this Achilles's Heel is factual and indeed does exist.  I agree multipool was given a very short lease. I agree that the math did not show their bad luck to be extraordinary. On the order of 10,000 to 1 would be really bad it was not at that level. Or even close to that level. It was under 100 to 1. 

   The problem is they were close to 16% of the entire pool and no safe guard is in place.  1 month with 1 block would be less then 1000 to 1 and that does happen every once in a while.  But with no deterrent no safeguard  attracting of a real villain that knows we sit  wide open has to exist and in fact be higher then if we have a safeguard or deterrent.

  So other then setting the entire pool to  solo mining 2 hours of every day or 1 hour of every day or 3 hours of every day what would you suggest?

 Also do you agree that for the time period that the pool is in solo mode  this danger would not occur?

Well one idea to stop centralized mining is for all major pools to rotate from pooled to solo mining.

24 hours in a day.

  so :

day 1   time 00:00-01:00   if you made the block you get it and do not share it as blocks are normally shared. or forced solo mining for 1 in 24 hours.
day 2   time 01:00-02:00    the same
day 3   time 02:00-03:00    do this right through the  24 day cycle.

end at day 24 then repeat.


what  does this do   it makes the desire to be in the pool with the lowest variance  ie cex.io  a little less since  cex.io 

would a) either do the 24 hour plan or b) not do the 24 hour plan.   If they do the 24 hour plan along with the rest of the top pools   the cex.io variance edge gets lessened a bit.  If they do not do the 24 hour plan they are subject to a withholding attack.  which lessons the variance edge.

 remember  if the pool is in the solo mode  withholding attacks are worthless.  Since only the withholding of a winning block suffers the loss.

 Well an opinion on the 3 doa blades gets a free blade request.

 I would be very cautious going that route.

 I have sold electronic gear on ebay for a decade.  here is my ebay record.



http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957


It is really good record.  I estimate 10 percent of my buyers have tried to pull a fast one.  I was able to satisfy every one of them. One way or another.  

Frankly I would not have done 3 rma's unless you know the gear fails a lot. Based on reports of the gridseed blades working or failing, that fail rate of 3 doa blades in a row is too high.

But in all the years I have sold gear I had 1 terrible item  the worlds first 7200rpm 500gh laptop hdd.

First made by seagate in 2008  my failed hdd rate was 8 of 14 hdds.

 The seagate forum had a 16 page thread of fu ,fu, fu, fu this drive sucks.  My losses on this item were higher then any item I ever sold.  

Based on blade price now I would send him a blade for  350- 400 dollars.  Which is a good discount.

  If he said no to that I would send him three 5 chip  gridseeds for free  if he said no to that I would not have much else to offer to you to fix the issue.

Remember  even though he sent 3 blades back to you unless you carefully checked all your serial numbers he may have had 3 good blades from you and

sent you 3 blades  that were bad.   To illustrate what I mean at least 3 other companies deal gridseed blades and there are 2  group buys for them

on this site.  So that is 5 sources of people/companies that handle a lot of blades anyone of them could be connected to this customer of yours and had

him rma with you 3 times.  You look bad and they replaced 3 duds on your bill.  

Since I do not know if you checked each and every rma and photoed the serial number on the pcb boards what I say above is a guess. In no way do I

believe that has happened and I do not know if that is possible since I do not have enough info.

I only point out many people swap out electronics this way. To   frigidformself  mike has really been a good guy with his company

 It appears he refund your purchased and sent you 3 replacements.

 This gear has been pretty good gear for most people is not there some middle ground for you and mike?

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 Back to me and what I want here.

You have been good to me you sent me my rma no questions asked.  The replacement gear works great.  I was good back to as  I ordered more blades and I really do want to order the sixth blade.

 So once again I ask for you to please set up my discount for this purchase.  I sent a pm to chris.

 I listed all my purchases made from march until early June. I do not want to be a pest but please fix this for me.

  This why I would prefer the top dozen pools to do it.  Thus you would not be able to avoid it or you  would have to go to a really small pool with high variance anyway.

 

I also want you to realize that during the 3 hour solo pool you are getting  better odds  then the  power spent by your gear.

I am not going to get back in the top 50 here and I was in the top fifty from sept 2012 to may 2013  using a lot of gpus  20 -25 and 11-13 pc's.

  Mining coins as low as 6 bucks a piece. I paid a lot of dues for BTC. I taught a few hundred people how to mine once I sold them gear on ebay.

Here is my ebay record.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=philipma1957

Here is my bitcointalk trust  rating

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=64507


  I support BTC for more then just the  "I will make money idea of it".




Back to ideas splitting us into 5 teams with 20 percent of the hash  each can help.  

 But  I would like to propose another idea.  I have 3 ant miner s-1's running under clocked and undervolted. 420gh how about  we get a lot of antminer s-1 guys group them and see how ant miners do.

I have  6 r-box  they run 195gh  I can run them here in an r-box section along with a lot of other r-box

I have 1 dragon miner hosted 1th I run it at btc guild I am will to point it at a dragon miner only section of a pool.
 

  This idea is more work to do you need a miner to show some proof of what gear he really has. The sections need to be large 100th or more. since right now 100th is about a block a week.  you need to run around 8 weeks to see if a 100th group is really far off.

   This idea also has some other merits if you find a trouble section  you can further test for  possible  commonalities within the group.  
Lets say hard wired vs wi fi.  may turn out that 100 sp10's with hard wired connections work better then 100 sp10's with wi fi.
On in the case of my hosted dragon miner it could turn out that it can't make a block. while people using dragon miners in house make blocks 2x the rate.

Once again it is harder to do then the simple 1/12 of your work  is  done solo mining idea that  I offered earlier.

A variation on the solo idea is this every day has 24 hours.

 pick  2 hours a day let it roll forward  

 0:00-  2:00   day 1
 2:00-  4:00   day 2
 4:00-  6:00   day 3
 6:00-  8:00   day 4
 8:00-  10:00 day 5
10:00- 12:00  day 6
12:00- 14:00  day 7
14:00- 16:00  day 8
16:00- 18:00  day 9
18:00 - 20:00 day 10
20:00- 22:00  day 11
22:00-24:00  day 12


in that 2 hour period whomever hits the block or blocks     it is his  or hers just as if  it was  solo mined.

yeah koi will get the most hits   he has 200 th     I have .4 th  but any one with dud gear/dud software will never get a block in that time period.


 easier to do then a second server for a second pool…   it would certainly discourage bad gear/software miners that know their gear is bad.


How about this idea Doc.  does it have merit.


   you make the same money and pay out the same money.  No extra gear or paperwork.


     2 hours a day we all get a shot at a big hit.

 the other 22 hours we are at normal.

This would discourage  that suspect bad luck canon would it not.  Opinions?

Look I am hashing here with 420gh  so we are talking  a long time for a block  not even weeks or months more like a decade.

 Only  a few 100 or so have more then 1th.      1th takes almost  2 years with average luck to make a block.  

 So good cdf testing only works for those with 97 th  

 normal luck   is  1 block a week for 97 th.   8 weeks of no blocks makes one suspect if they are hashing at 97th.  

  for my 420gh 16 years .  So cdf does not work.  Since  most miners here too small to measure well.

  So  right now if we did  post cdf results  the number 2 miner should make a block every 17 days since he is at  39th.

 A fair trial for him is 8x that or 136 days.

    Like it or not  auto-switching to a solo section  of a mining pool is going to be the only way to sift out  the weeds.

We  could be in the solo section of bitminter 10% of the time and in the merged part of bitminter 90% of the time.    

yeah my 420gh will most likely never   hit while I am in the solo part  but that would discourage  someone directing his defective gear/software here.

 I can't figure any other   fair leveling method that would only attack  bad gear/bad software.      

I really would like to see a dozen top pools doing this.  I know the fear is it chases away people

big miners may say fuck it if I  want to solo mine I don't need a pool forcing me to do it I can do it myself.

WELL if big miners think a pool is filled with bad gear/ bad software they will end up doing solo mining anyway.


 OTHER SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME.  

Say 15% solo 85 % solo    instead of 10/90   or maybe 20/80.


 Remember when you are in the solo section If your gear is 2 watts or better per hash it is like getting more then 1100 to one one a 3 digit number bet. when in fact the normal odds are 1000 to one.

  A better idea is welcome , but I don't really see one that could be applied across most of the network.

Well  he asked us to give him some ideas .   So that is what we are doing.

  I for one think he is close to correct with 400 post monthly limit  but think 125 in a week 400 post max is better.
  
I think monthly payment should remain.  Not weekly.  I wnat it to be easy for him to do this not hard.


  Lastly he should cap membership to 100 or less.

 Assuming we are at under 100  people right now.  

 If we are at 100 to 130  he should cap at 150.

I Did a full number count

I get about 123 as of this post from stunna below

 basically he needs to keep some limits .   this is from this post.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7421598#msg7421598

125 a week  with 400 max monthly and 150 members  or maybe 175 members   but caps are needed.

001) devthedev
002) boumalo
003) DubFX
004) nwfella
005) TwinWinNerD
006) onlinepro
007) lynn402
008) keithers
009) saif92
010) cooldgamer
011) Don007
012) ljudotina
013) MICRO
014) turtlehurricane
015) wachtwoord
016) bitgeek
017) u9y42
020) marnem
021) IamCANADIAN013
022) Harley997
023) d2dtk
024) alexrossi
025) azguard
026 )Skoupi
027) koshgel
028) forever21
029) Amph
030) madmat
031) hdbuck
032) Ashbite
033) Parazyd
034) Sniar
035) Gianluca95
036) dnaleor
037) gondel
038) CaptainBeck
039) rohnearner
040) ObscureBean
041) deisik
042) shorena
043) Beymond
044) MoneyGod
045) 1211
046) justin00
047) MajidBC
048) hilariousandco
049) innocent93
050) Cranky4u
051) zcxvbs
052) deadley
053) ajareselde
054) grolll
055) sydboy
056) Musent
057) ethought
058) djjacket
059) LaudaM
060) Nerazzura
061) sameev29
062) philipma1957
063) zhinkk
064) lihuajkl
065) pandacoin
066) Equate
067) AuroraHF
068) mprep
069) ReRunRod
070) golikcoin
071) niothor
072) Acidyo
073) androz
074) Chris001
075) leex1528
076) mladen00
077) zahra4571
078) skele
079) beetcoin
080) okthen
081) mdzedzej
0820 iopq
083) byt411
084) WhiteShum
085) counter
086) nahtnam
087) moreia
088) snaildvorak
089) lyth0s
090) cxboyminer
091) Anon39
092) omahapoker
093) bcmine
094) makebitcoin
095) BRADLEYPLOOF
096) Ron~Popeil
097) Gladdy
098) bitmaster111
099) acs267
100) hoian0809
101) DrG
102) oppahdoggystyle
103) poordeveloper
104) iawgoM
105) pinksheep
106) AcoinL.L.C
107) "    noviapriani"
108) noviapriani
109) bryant.coleman
110) Cryptopher
111) Malin Keshar
112) Bit_Happy
113) animalroam
114) icey
115) Mythul
116) cech4204a
117) ShakyhandsBTCer
118) newIndia
119) galbros
120) freedomno1
121) lottoitaliano
122) helloge
123) tonykay

I sent you the pm.

  I hope to get my small concerns fixed shortly.

 thanks.  phil

mike while  you are corresponding with frigidformself on this thread with his problem you have not fixed mine.

I can tell you this in reading the correspondence you are having he could simply be trying to hurt your business.  He says he knows each and every board number of the doa gear that you sent to him.

the guy you are posting with good be a liar or really unlucky. He may have had a dozen blades on hand from other sellers all your gear was good and he just sent back duds to you then trashed your name

If you know your boards numbers sent out to him and he sent back the same numbers it could be resolved.   frankly I would offer to help settle his complaint with you as i hate to see that type of argument be out there for all to see.

But I am still not resolved with my request.  I have all these earned points I want to spend them on a blade . Your reward system has me really annoyed.


 Since I have had 6 blades come to my house from you and all 6 worked although one board in 12 boards  had a low hash rate .  you sent a new blade and it has 2 good boards.

So 6 blades 11 good boards 1 slow board.   I want more gear.   I paid more then 5800 usd and earned 58000 plus points. I just wanted to spend the points on my next blade.


so to repeat please let me use the 5 rewards  on one purchase see screen shot

I still like this idea today is the 21st I am at 65 or 66 posts for this week and i am making about 120 to 130.  I know this because of the s-3  coming out this week.  the rk-box coming out this week and 2 reviews on some gear i will do. This next month I am making more then 400 posts I will make around 500.  I will be fine with giving 100 free post so to speak as I posted 300 posts a month for 10 months with no  signature money at all.. After all signature campaigns end I will still post a few  hundred posts a month.

 Stunna you have been good to the community.  So whatever you adjust your campaign to should be okay.  But something that gives a bit of weekly variation yet keeps a monthly max seems good to me.

My suggestion is :

125 post per week max.  
Monthly total of 400 posts max.

still pay monthly .

 I say 125 weekly max  and 400 monthly max as keeping tracking is easy.

The way you word it now anyone near 100 in a week needs to consider what time zone to say what week a post is in.

Also If someone wants to go on vacation and posts 125 +125 +125 + he can post 25 on his vacation week.

 also you max monthly payment is still

 400x Hero rate
 400x Senior rate
 400x Full member rate
 400x Member rate.

So my idea
1)cuts down your workload
 2)keeps your max btc payment the same.  
3)It also gives us a break if we want to cut back one week out of the 4 weeks in a month.
4) prevents 400 post in 5 days and zero the rest of the month if you just set a monthly limit.

Frankly I am happy that you did limit posts to a reasonable number. I am retired so I could post 200 a week if I want a job.  In fact I would be annoyed at myself for not pushing up post counts  when you had the 2.4 coin limit.  These numbers make much more sense thanks for doing this.

that is my plan for the s-3's

bitmaintech has stated these are quieter and since they are shock shielded much better then the s-1's  were .  I plan to run  6 to 12 of them this winter-fall.

My 200 a month  winter heating bill should drop to under 50 bucks a month.

I don't want your bet since I don't want to take your money but that price is too high since rk-box goes for 600 usd .

I spent a lot of time analyzing just how much better the s-3 is over the rk-box.  I get 50 to 110 usd better.

If bitmaintech lists at 900 it will only help to sell the rk-box for 600.

 I feel for the guy   'if he just had 2 weeks of bad luck and was completely unlucky' ,  but with the  April and May on the other pools having the 'bad luck' issues.  A big miner admitting poor software  being the cause.

   He had terrible timing for a bad luck streak.