While checking around, I came across some write-up of how long this bear market have been and we also get to know that this bear market is the longest. I found out this: https://www.ccn.com/the-crypto-bear-market-wont-last/amp recently. So what's your own opinion and say about how soon will the bear market be over? I don't expect much of the next halving on its own We should understand that while block reward is halved, i.e. the supply of new coins becomes half as much, the total supply is already large enough to make this halving not very relevant other than for hype and noise (i.e. for speculative purposes mostly). But if the cryptowinter is to end (that won't be because of halving), this event may still serve as a good trigger to kick off a new cycle
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I was looking for some ways to increase my profits and eventually decided on margin trading. I am aware of the risks, but the potential gain impresses. What should I consider before going in for margin trading and which exchange offers more favorable conditions for that? Okay, let me explain a few things First of all, you should always remember that with margin trading you are basically playing against the "house". And the house in this case is the exchange where you margin trade. You may be playing against an exchange even when you are long with your own coins, but it is always the case with shorts. In practice, it means you should expect things which you normally wouldn't, for example, exchange forcefully liquidating your margin position on some completely arbitrary grounds (like an alleged glitch in the system) Second, you should understand how the margin system is supposed to work, i.e. when you are likely to have your position liquidated, and here I mean real liquidation, not the one like described above (i.e. wrongful liquidation). If you don't know or understand how it works, you better stay away from margin trading on this exchange until you do. Otherwise, you risk losing your balance due to a technically legitimate margin call. And remember at all times that you are playing against the house with margin trading
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People will sell off coins here at the end of the year to claim a big loss on their taxes. But we need more than that. We need bad news. We need negative press stories. We need security flaws to be "discovered", even if they don't really exist. And why do we need this? To get the prices down so I can buy in cheap to several coins, and then let them ride to BIG PROFITS on the next market cycle upswing! Gotta get that dolla dolla bill, yo! ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) I agree that we all have to sell and crash the prices of all altcoins.Why?Because they are useless. But I'm not gonna do this just because you want to make some money out of pump&dump shit. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Go find another "get rich quick" scheme I can't say that all altcoins are useless For example, personally, I find Litecoin quite useful, even if for only "pump&dump shit". Kidding aside, if Bitcoin is to become something, it will most certainly have to do with a store of value. But a good store of value can't be a good means of payment at the same time as these things are mutually exclusive to a great degree. So we need an altcoin which would work as a means of payment with Bitcoin being a store of value. And this is where Litecoin fits in perfectly, without any kidding
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I really don't know anymore and it really scares me because nothing really moves bitcoin anymore. Unless something HUGE happens I feel like we are going to stay at the same 3-4 thousand levels forever, like something needs to happen and this price needs to change otherwise we are not going to see a bitcoin that is more than this current prices. It really needs to move and it needs to move now, I don't care even if its going down at this point, I just want to see it alive Be careful what you wish for As you just might get it finally. This "stability" is very deceptive. It is not the first time we see prices moving in a tight range (though it is definitely longer than usual), but it always ends in a powerful breakout. You may be sure you are not the only one who feels the same way as many traders are not happy with this market either. And to earn as before they have to narrow their trading ranges in such environment and add to their orders It means that the range between major support and resistance levels is diminishing. At first it leads to price being sort of locked in between the narrowing walls, and this is what we actually see now. But ultimately, when the resistance or support is finally broken, there will a mighty price action either to the upside or downside as it always happens. And I don't think things are much different now (even though it may take longer than usual)
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For two months the price stayed in an uncharacteristicaly stable range in the mid $6ks, before the price was very quickly crashed into half, down into the $3ks. Do you think this same stability has begun to form over the next couple months in the mid $3ks? if so, will price break upwards to end this stable range or downwards, as it did last November? I think many people are asking themselves the same question And I also come to think that it is quite warranted, though I in no case would call the current environment as stable. If anything, it is quasi-stable as the trading volumes are really pathetic now, i.e. there is neither sufficient supply to move prices lower nor sufficient demand to move them higher. All in all, it essentially means that the market becomes highly susceptible to small disturbances in the balance of supply and demand What it can lead to, we already know when the price quickly and effortlessly crashed 2 times. So don't expect too much from this seeming "stability". Maybe, it's about time to short, again
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You may want to add a simple FAQ or How-to
I also paid a visit to your site, but honestly, I don't know how to play Blackjack (really), so a short and easy to read guide is sort of must-have for people like me. Well, actually I may know how to play it but I don't know what kind of game the term refers to. Apart from that, I didn't quite like the blurring of the background when you call a menu, it is not easy on the eyes and unnecessary attracts attention (the idea obviously being the opposite). I guess just slightly shadowing the background would do the trick
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I feel like some people in Bitcoin community also hold a similar belief, that Bitcoin will go to the moon as soon as fiat, stocks and traditional economy will collapse. So, it seems like both them and JP Morgan think that crypto and fiat can't coexist, and one must fail in order for the other to succeed.
They're wrong. A booming crypto is a luxury afforded by booming conventional markets. The money going into it doesn't appear from a vacuum. It's from people earning in fiat and cashing out other assets. In several decades it could conceivably be something you could move into and never look back. Until then it's dependent on the health of everything else out thereBut the same can be said with respect to any asset out there I assume some people are going to come up with the idea that gold doesn't belong to this category, i.e. when everything falls gold rises. But it is not so. Gold just happens to fall slower in value under such circumstances even if its price denominated in fiat money (say, the dollar) may in fact be rising. The bottom line is that you can't actually take Bitcoin (or crypto in general) and say it is a luxury as everything else would be a luxury in this context (apart from bare necessities like water, food, shelter)
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There was also some talk about Starbucks accepting Bitcoin, and then Starbucks saying that its not accepting Bitcoin. Same with Microsoft. The entire thing is just way confusing and I am waiting first for approval before I Start to really learn what its about I remember those talks And some of them are going on years, for example, about Amazon being ready to accept Bitcoin in the near future, when that "near future" should have come a couple years ago already. But as far as I know, Microsoft had really been accepting Bitcoin directly at their site for some services in the past. Then there were rumors that they disabled this possibility (around the time Steam shut down their Bitcoin operation), but they had been refuted if I'm not mistaken. How things are now with Bitcoin at Microsoft I don't know, though
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It seems so. A recovery may occur only by 2020 or 2021.
Its hard to tell yet since we have access on a limited trend for 2019, meaning we still have more months to go before to confirm it. 2019 can be a possible sideways trend but I still hope for a more powerful uptrend. The hype can happen again, just make a new development and we will go high again. price doesn't have to reach the previous ATH for it to be considered in a recovery. what you are talking about in 2020 is the ATH being hit and a new one being set not the recovery itself. the recovery will happen this year for sure. the drops can not go on any longer since they have gone on long enough, you can't really expect price to drop 99.9%!!! we already have about 85% drop. and the sideways may continue for a while but they also can't go on forever. and they also have lasted long enough Why can't we expect the price to drop so much? for the same reason why you can't expect the price to continue rising without a stop and reversal. at some point after the rise from $900 to $20000 it had to stop and come back to the balanced level. and now is the same, it has to go back up to go back to balanced levels That's a crappy argument if you ask me There is no and cannot be "same reason" here. No asset can rise indefinitely but that doesn't in the least mean that it can't fall to 0, and this is particularly true with respect to speculative ones, like Bitcoin or whatever. According to this logic, the stock of dotcom companies couldn't turn into garbage just because these companies couldn't rise to infinity either. Somehow I thought people have actually learned something after the 2018 crash Many altcoins including the top ones have dropped over 90% already (e.g. Litecoin has fallen 17 times from its ATH to its recent low). But how will Bitcoin be much different from them if things turn really bad for it?
are you seriously comparing shitcoins that drop 90% and more to bitcoin?!! Bitcoin can easily follow them. But if you want to believe (Bitcoin or otherwise), who am I to stop you? 3k is still a huge price from any point of view (other than looking at it from the 2017 highs) and there is a lot of room below, so to speak. I hope it won't be like that but saying it is impossible is not a good way to go in both trading and investing
just because 3000 is a big number, it doesn't make it a high price. what's next? you are going to say $312000 is too high for Berkshire Hathaway price and it has a lot of room to go down?!! 0 is the lowest price potentially possible for the Berkshire Hathaway stock. Much bigger institutions failed (see Lehman Brothers)
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Yeah I am not at all convinced there is gonna be some capitulation event and giant bounce forming a V that shows clearly the bottom is in....because we already saw the capitulation event: the 50% drop from $6000s to $3000s!! I don't know why people ignore that! Just because it didn't have a bounce up to form a V doesn't mean that wasn't capitulation. It suddenly dropped by 50% after forming a bottom over the course of like 10 months last year. If that's not capitulation I don't know what is Because it doesn't feel that way The drop from 6k to 3k was very much like the other price drops before this one. For example, we first fell from 12k (which was considered a true bottom after the 20k top by many "distinguished analysts" here), then we fell from 9k to 6k. And the last fall felt very much the same as the previous falls did, so don't really expect people to think of it as a capitulation event even if it is I certainly think there's a chance Bitcoin will go lower and break $3000 at some time in the next few months, but I also wouldn't be surprised if the $3100s it hit in December was the bottom. It dropped from $6000s to mid-3000s, bounced up to low 4000s ("V"), sank to $3100s, bounced back up to low $4000s, and now is chillin' at mid-3000s. Seems to me we've clearly seen the capitulation and now we're scrapping along the bottom for a bunch of months just like in 2015 Basically, you don't know. But don't worry, no one knows for sure, either
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I think BAKKT is very important as it is the first time Wall St will actually be offering a real Bitcoin product (not just gambling on the price of bitcoin which is what the two futures markets from dec 2017 were). People say Wall Street is waiting for custody services like Bakkt before investing, which implies Wall Street doesn't care about "being their own bank" and doesn't mind third party trust. If so, isn't Bitcoin a purely speculative vehicle to them, or in other words just for gambling on the price? What else is it for? Wall Street types are die-hard speculators and profiteers Then yes, they don't care about "being their own bank" and I'm utterly curious why everyone can be so deluded about their real intentions. They are vultures that parasitize on something that has real value, though I wouldn't call them just gambling on the price as they don't gamble but suck in money like a cleaner. On the other hand, they may not be very interested in Bitcoin specifically because it is already mostly a vehicle for speculation, so there is not much left in it for them (and they are not going to become next bagholders)
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More interesting is are they willing to change the Tax legislation, because now in US cryto currencies are assets and US customer are owning taxes on every exchange, even when it's crypto-to-crypto like BTC/ETH. Someday many people will have huge troubles with IRS Don't mess with the IRS If I'm not mistaken, crypto is considered commodities by the CFTC for trading purposes, and it is expected you pay taxes on capital gains which you realize when you sell a cryptocurrency for profit. But as I suspect, it is not much different from capital gains that you make through currency exchange operations on respective exchanges or Forex. So I don't think there is actually a need to change the tax code for cryptocurrencies in general
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Deisik you are legendary member maybe you remember the times when this numbers were much smaller. Can you remember which exchanges were popular in 2015 and earlier? I was actively trading back in the day, so it is not a hard question for me to answer. Bitfinex was the most popular exchange back in 2015. I can't say with certainty about now, but it is still one of the top exchanges out there. And I like their approach to margin trading as it is pretty simple and easy to understand (unlike what they do at Bitmex), though I don't quite like them wrongfully liquidating open margin positions as it actually happened to me once But they admitted being wrong and even paid back the expenses which I suffered due to their mistake
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On the flip side, though, there is another catch here. For example, it becomes known that the keys have been compromised, but the hacker can't steal the coins as it has a timer counting. So how can a legitimate owner claim his coins and not let the hacker claim them before him? That's an interesting implication which I didn't think of when starting this thread
I think there would be no way to do that. Once the countdown ended, they both would try to send the coins to another address at the same time, so the only way the legitimate owner could keep his coins would be by spending a higher fee than the hacker and being lucky That's what I think myself However, there can be a way out, something like a fallback plan. For example, you can also add an encrypted variable with a password known only to you, which you set at the moment you lock the address. It would allow you to stop the timer prematurely and thus claim the coins back immediately. I know you are going to say that it can be stolen too, but it is a one-off variable which is used only to stop the timer, so you don't need to save it anywhere but in your head only (read, it is not the same as your private key)
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Okay, I will look into it. Can I set a timeout with this approach, i.e. when the recipient doesn't claim the coins after a specified amount of time, can I claim them back?
yes. you can for instance use the same time locks that LN uses(without neding to use LN) so that you stipulate that you, yourself cannot touch the funds for X time (allowing the other person to spend within the time without fear that you are fake paying them by you claiming as soon as it confirms) thus giving them time to spend it there are other options too Okay then, probably it is exactly what I wanted to see in Bitcoin, though done in a different way (maybe, even in a more flexible way). So how can we prevent coins from being sent to a non-existent address? Well, not actually prevent them from being sent but rather being able to claim them back? Perhaps, adding a variable (a timer) that would allow to claim the coins back if they don't get spent? What you're asking for is Centralization. An overseer to decide what is allowed and not allowed changing the network to make all addresses behave in a certain manner that allows confirmed transactions to become unconfirmed. or to allow people to double spend is bad. but i dont think thats what the OP is asking for Funny, taking into account that I specifically pointed out in the OP that people should not attack me without first trying to understand what I actually wanted to suggest (and they still failed me): Second, we should make some transactions reversible, but please don't attack me before you actually listen me out. It is most certainly not what you think it is Obviously, I didn't mean that all transactions should be made reversible. And maybe a 1-of-2 multisig is the right way to go with my proposal, after all
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The difference between short selling and long is that long has an option of just "buying". Like if you think bitcoin will go up instead of doing long you can just go out there and buy bitcoin, which means the same except the leverage. Short doesn't have that option, there is no just buying a anti-bitcoin or whatever hence long is a bit different than short. Its less risky for the long people. Short on the other hand has leverages, margins and liquidations and many more stuff that makes it riskier No, this is not a real difference I mean, not in practice. In real life, the trees don't grow to the sky, so while you have a certain price at which your short position will be liquidated (if we talk about naked shorts), it is basically the same as 0 for longs. You can say that if this price is too high, then the whole idea of shorting becomes meaningless, and I would likely agree with that but will also add that it is not particularly different from just "buying" at 20k and holding at 3k. In fact, there is an anti-bitcoin. It is covered shorts which you can hold indefinitely long There is literally a chance of shorting bitcoin today and as soon as it increases 5% you will lose ALL your money, like ALL, you don't have that type of troubles when buying bitcoin and storing somewhere, bitcoin went from 20 thousand to 3.5 thousand and its still not all lost, just most lost, however on shorting you can have ALL lost instead What you speak about refers only to naked shorts but covered shorts have the same effect on the market price as the naked ones but without this "short-coming" (pardon the pun)
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First, we should create "frozen" or lockable addresses
Most hacks happen over the secondary market mostly centralized exchanges, the chances of a wallet address getting hacked is very low, you can secure it further by using a hardware wallet And what does it change? Centralized exchanges hold most of their funds in cold wallets anyway, so keeping such wallets locked with a forward timer (say, set for 1 hour) will prevent these hacks from happening. On the flip side, though, there is another catch here. For example, it becomes known that the keys have been compromised, but the hacker can't steal the coins as it has a timer counting. So how can a legitimate owner claim his coins and not let the hacker claim them before him? That's an interesting implication which I didn't think of when starting this thread you get to also stipulate how many people are needed to spend. hense a 1 of 2 means out of 2 chosen people only one is needed to spend the funds. thus allowing equal oppertunity to spend the funds. thus if the recipient does not spend it, you can get it back
the result is exactly what you want. funds are put into an address which you or the recipient can then claim.. EG the recipient can claim or you can claim(refund)
Okay, I will look into it. Can I set a timeout with this approach, i.e. when the recipient doesn't claim the coins after a specified amount of time, can I claim them back? What you're asking for is Centralization. An overseer to decide what is allowed and not allowed Blockchain is that overseer. It decides what is allowed and what not
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It means if you want to profit from this you need to be so lucky that something that is one in ten thousand chance should happen before five thousand bets are over. Hence I think playing regular hi and lo without adding jackpot is much more fun to me, I do not add extra loss to the account which allows me to win or lose with a better odd betting The current jackpot is likely an artifact from the jackpot contest that seems to have been removed I don't know if this contest was ever available on FreeBitco.in but on FreeDoge.co.in you could participate in the jackpot contest where you rolled for the jackpot against other players. For example, if you participated in it and hit the jackpot (08888), you were given the whole amount paid by other contest participants in this round. I don't know why the show was canceled but with it the jackpot made sense playing
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but lets deal with the second one
imagine you set up a 1-of-2 multisig (only one signer is needed) you pay into that address and if the recipient then does not move the funds. out of the multisig within a timescale you can then spend them back to yourself This is a very clumsy setup Why would I need to share my private key with someone else as this is what a multisig is about as far as I understand it? I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology here but I hope you get the point. I just want to send somebody a few coins from my wallet (read, address) who I may not even know, and make sure that the coins don't get lost or stolen in the process. So how does a 1-of-2 multisig help me in any meaningful way here?
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That's not a surprise As that's what you should expect from a poorly designed system which has no built in protection against hacks or thefts. I understand that no one may have expected Bitcoin to turn such a huge success (e.g. we all remember Linus Torvalds and his famous "just for fun" thing), but this is no excuse for not adding basic, if not to say primitive, options which would make stealing coins a lot harder if not prevent hacks and thefts in the majority of cases
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