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4341  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: @ the end of the BFL queue on: April 26, 2013, 06:54:21 AM

He sold his ass and his soul to BFL, and he will advertise them in order to draw noobs like you to their pre-order scheme. He was paid... A Jalapeño, so you know what type of dude is that.

You won't be receiving your Jalapeño until June... 2014.

4342  Economy / Speculation / Re: We`ve hit the top. Now return to "normal" TA on: April 26, 2013, 06:46:06 AM
So whats up guys ? Do you mad that i predict this crash? Just dont worry we will be under 100 soon Smiley

Wow... So mad... Really really mad.

I predict that the price will go down, and then it will go up.

And I did not study economics to know that Cheesy
4343  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon batch [2] countdown! on: April 25, 2013, 11:03:07 PM
I bet you there's a guy who bought a lot of BFLs when they started taking money, then bought a lot of Avalon 2s when they started pre orders, and lots of batch 3 pre ordered as well. That guy may as well have bought in at 31 dollars last last crash, and 266 last crash. It wasn't you, wasn't it?

LOL
4344  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 10:02:54 PM
And there goes the $140 resistance...
4345  Local / Mercado y Economía / Re: Bitcoin a 125€ y subiendo... on: April 25, 2013, 10:01:09 PM
Sácalos de mtgox y ya está, en diferentes wallets, en varios pendrives, en papel y por supuesto cifrado así si te roban el wallet o las claves pública y privada no podrán hacer uso de ellos por que necesitarán la contraseña de cifrado del wallet.  Grin

Obviamente no estoy hablando de tener el dinero en mt. gox. Sólo un retrasado dejaría guardado el dinero en un exchange. Me refiero a que depender de mt. gox para valorar el precio del Bitcoin lo hace muy débil, un ataque como el de la semana pasada y se lía parda.

Pues que sepas que está lleno de retrasados con miles de BTC y millones de € con su dinero en el exchange. Para eso está un exchange, para hacer trading - vender y comprar, muchas veces a diario, para sacar provecho de la volatilidad en el precio. De hecho, ahora mismo en el "order book" de MtGox hay aproximadamente 20 millones de USD y 101.520BTC

Lo puedes comprobar aquí (www.bitcoinity.com) o en blockchained.com. Imágen:



Si lo que quieres es comprar BTC para guardarlos en papel y olvidarte de ellos durante X tiempo, ni siquiera necesitas un exchange: se lo puedes comprar a alguien en localbitcoins.com, por ejemplo. Pero los exchanges son para que los traders tengan en ellos las posiciones con las que tradean. Ese es su trabajo, y lo normal es que tengan cientos de miles de € y miles de BTC c/u. Mucho "retrasado" como tú dices.

No me has entendido (y también he sido muy exagerado utilizando la palabra retrasado, culpa mía, te pido disculpas si te he ofendido), lo que me parece muy mal es utilizar mt. gox como caja fuerte para dejar los bitcoins o el dinero indefinidamente.
Si lo que quieres es tradear no te queda más remedio que tener el dinero ahí. Yo personalmente no estaría tranquilo con mucho dinero ahí metido.
Aunque es cierto que mt. gox ha demostrado ser más fiable que el resto.

De todas formas es que si Mt. gox tiene problemas gordos y acaba cerrando el precio de los bitcoins se desplomaría brutalmente y daría un poco igual perderlos dentro de mt. gox ya que dado el caso sería muy barato recomprarlos... si esa fuera la idea.
Así que por el bien de bitcoin espero se empiecen a ver soluciones reales como exchange P2P, etc.

Utilizar un servicio de terceros para guardar tus ahorros es un sinsentido - y de hecho los que los utilizan suelen no entender del todo el BTC y les suelen faltar conocimientos básicos de seguridad. Creo que los mensajes correctos son:

- donde más seguros están tus ahorros es en tus manos, no en las de terceros
- si aún así tienes que tener dinero en manos de terceros, por ejemplo para tradear, elige el más servicio más fiable y que merezca más confianza, y utiliza TODOS las medidas de seguridad que pongan a tu alcance: es imprescindible usar 2FA (yubikey y/o google authenticator) y tener una contraseña MUY segura

Manejar BTC es como manejar efectivo, siempre hay riesgos, el caso es conocerlos, valorarlos y emplear todas las herramientas a tu alcance para minimizarlos.
4346  Economy / Speculation / Re: Today's Crash: Call the Bottom on: April 25, 2013, 09:33:59 PM
Man. I'm just going to keep taking a break from this gig. the next 24-48 hours hold the answers. I'm not jumping the gun yet. I learn something new everyday. I'll pick a moment and then go all in.

The all in time was below $1 my friend  Grin
4347  Local / Mercado y Economía / Re: Un nuevo crash?? Acaba de bajar de 100 on: April 25, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
No tiene ningún sentido, de bajar de 100 hace nada, y ahora a 107...  Huh

Claro que tiene sentido. El mercado del bitcoin es minúsculo, la cabeza de un alfiler, un chiste... Una sola orden de compra "a precio de mercado" de 1000BTC puede mover el precio de más de 10€, lo mismo una orden de venta. Si ahora alguien decidiera vender de golpe 200.000BTC el precio se iría directo a menos de 10€, y si alguien quisiera comprar 200.000BTC de golpe... Pues en Gox ni siquiera podría, llevaría el precio a más de 1.000€ por BTC y sólo compraria 135.000BTC, que son los que hay ahora mismo en el "order book" de Gox.
4348  Local / Mercado y Economía / Re: Bitcoin a 125€ y subiendo... on: April 25, 2013, 09:25:28 PM
viene otro ataque bajista en breve

qué va, por hoy ya hemos visto el fondo (aprox. $120).

Yo tenía una orden de compra a $121 (93.3€), parece que fue bien Wink
4349  Economy / Speculation / Re: Today's Crash: Call the Bottom on: April 25, 2013, 09:22:54 PM
$120
4350  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 09:22:21 PM
please dump more coins... i didn't get my fair share...

Yeah, dump 'em hard, if it goes below $50 I promise I'll go all in, and i'll send all the coins to a paper wallet and forget about trading Cheesy
4351  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 09:19:04 PM
feel sick in stomach really, lol, I knew it won't go below 120, placed orders at 121 and 122 but too late with bloody gox lag. Missed the easiest few hundreds ever.

Should have placed that 125 order before I left...  Cry

I think you will get another chance.  We are still slipping

Definitely, but it was still 20$ per coin in 2 minutes trade and more money to buy when it goes down again.

don't beat yourself up about missed profits.  if we could read the future, we'd all be rich Smiley

Man, you need to place those on beforehand. I had a buy order at $121.5, then I have others at $101.5, $86, $71.5, $66.5, $52.5, $42 and finally $35

If we crash to those support points the order is already there Cheesy

And it's always easier to CANCEL and orther than to place one during the lag.
4352  Local / Mercado y Economía / Re: Bitcoin a 125€ y subiendo... on: April 25, 2013, 09:00:06 PM
La pagina esa de clarkmoody se para mas que un burro en una feria, imposible seguir en condiciones los movimientos en tiempo real   Huh

funciona bastante mejor que bitcoinity.
4353  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 08:58:47 PM
Well now you know what $2M panicking looks like.

I would love some more $70 coins Cheesy

You should love them a lot when a price will be 30.

I have buy orders all the way down from $70 to $30. But I think that anything below $50 is highly unlikely. We already had HUGE selloffs after the crash, there's no so many coins to dump left.
4354  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 08:44:39 PM
Well now you know what $2M panicking looks like.

I would love some more $70 coins Cheesy
4355  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 08:41:56 PM
Bought some more BTC at $121, let's see Wink
4356  Economy / Speculation / Re: We`ve hit the top. Now return to "normal" TA on: April 25, 2013, 06:41:31 PM
Well guys, if we break $145 we may have some relatively cheap coins ahead. I keep dreaming about $30 coins, but unfortunately I think is only a dream Cheesy
4357  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 06:13:59 PM
This was just GOX trying to rescue price Smiley

Man, Jaroslaw, now tell us how you are a sucker and bought at $60

You should have bought at $0.6, then you would know that going to double digits is not a "crash". Crash is single digits my friend.

It dont matter for me im full of cash right now Smiley Dont care if it will be single or double digits. It will fall Smiley

Of course it will fall, and it will fard much harder than this. And then it will raise again, probably much higher than before... right? That's what happens with a commodity with a very limited supply or a "penny stock market". Great.... and you studied economics for that?
4358  Economy / Speculation / Re: We`ve hit the top. Now return to "normal" TA on: April 25, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
The dump failed, here come the buys!  Grin

It was single maniupulation to "rescue" price but it will fall to 145 Smiley

$145? Wow. What a crash. It "crashed" to the same level we first had three weeks ago (around April 7th). Wow. It crashed hard from $20 in February to $140 now. That hurt a lot.

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
4359  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL's Jalapeno exists - I have one in my hand and just uploaded a video on: April 25, 2013, 06:04:56 PM
How much were you paid to use same such a ridiculous title for this thread?

Quote
BFL's Jalapeno exists - I have one in my hand and just uploaded a video

You could have used: it is not a scam, BUY BUY BUY!

I can imagine how much you were paid. You were paid..... A Jalapeno. Nice and cheap way to buy someone.

Shame on you.
This doesn't even make sense.  Why is "it is not a scam, BUY BUY BUY!" a better title than what OP chose?

That's irony. I meant that "it is not a scam, BUY BUY BUY!" is as ridiculous as the thread title. Is obvious advertising in order to trap more poor newbies in their pre-order scheme.
4360  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: April 25, 2013, 06:02:09 PM
This was just GOX trying to rescue price Smiley

Man, Jaroslaw, now tell us how you are a sucker and bought at $60

You should have bought at $0.6, then you would know that going to double digits is not a "crash". Crash is single digits my friend.
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