I got a sneak peek on the first batch date as well as prices, May 10 to 20  for the first batch, price is $2100 for S19 and 2900 for S19 pro.

I am 99% certian my source is reliable, in fact they are so confident that they started to take pre-orders starting from today.

What do you guys think of these prices given they are post-halving.

I can tell you why, you see a good amount of people (30% if  IIRC) need to be in the ICU (intensive care units) or they will die to the CoronaVirus.

China did a great job in quarantining infected cities, built a hospital with a capacity of about 1000 ICUs, and never stopped provding more, so the case was most of the time as follows:

ICUs+ Doctors+Nurses => Infected with people who need ICU = low death rate.

In Italy on the other side, and because they failed to apply a good quarantine, and because they don't even have 10% of the production capacity China has it was:

ICUs+ Doctors+Nurses < Infected with people who need ICU = high death rate.

And Italy has a better ICU per capita ratio than most other countries, so if the virus spreads as fast as it did in Italy due to lack of quick quarantine in another country, we will sadly see worse death rate than in Italy.

For an example, it says here the U.S has 2.8 bed per 1000 people, assuming they are not rushing to add more now, then many people will die not just due to the virus, but rather the lack of health care and the problem with these ICUs, a patient doesn't stay for a day or two, they might need to stay in for days, so if you have 50 beds in your city, no more than 150 people can get sick per say a week because nearly 3rd of them might need to be in the ICU and that is exactly 50, say 51 people need ICU, and 1 person will be at great risk, that is the exact reason why governments quarantine us, not because they think they can keep us safe from the virus forever, but because we need to slow the rate of infected people so that we can give them the intensive care they need until a vaccine has been found.

So really,  your chances of survival, when hit by the virus (especially if you are old or have some health issues), depend almost ENTIRELY on how many ICUs are available at your city and how many people get sick at the same time as you do.

the above information is not my speculations or own findings, it was explained to me by a doctor or else I would have never thought about it this way, obviously, the governments don't tell us all the details because they don't want to 1-scare us and 2- knowing that all you have in your city is 10 or 20 ICUs makes you think the health care program your government has always promoted is far worse than less developed countries and that will cause problems to the government because the people will protest against them.

Also, the death rate has to do the health of individual and lifestyle, the Chinese have a very good diet, a lot of vegetables, rice and seeds, Italians eat a lot of pasta and pizza, the U.S diet is even worse, basically, all of our diets suck big time compared to the Chinese.

Frod: sorry for going off-topic here, those are great public information that every miner can make use of.

Meanwhile, back to difficulty.


we are starting to go flat, 2 days for the next adjustment, fingers crossed that we do hit -15%.

I think that has to do with the fact that S9 SE comes with a firmware that has Asicboost enabled by default, that LPM option does nothing but activates AsicBoost, so maybe that's where the problem comes from. If you find Enhanced Low Power Mode you could try that, but as far as LPM is concerned, you gain nothing from enabling that anyway.

اعتقد ان الحز الصحي سيطال العالم كله, الموضوع مسئلة وقت لا اكثر, انا احاول الاستفادة من هدا الوقت لتعلم اشياء جديدة, قضاء الوقت مع الاهل, اصلاح بعض الاشياء في المنزل, الرياضة على السطج  , اريد ان تنتهي هده الازمة وانا في افضل حالاتي الصحية, العلمية والنفسية بالرغم من انه قد يبدو شيء شبه مسحيل ولكن بعون الله سأكون قادر على تطبيقه.

قلقي الوحيد هوا استمرار الوضع لفترة طويلة بحيث يكون تأتيرها على المخزون الغدائي للناس قوي ونصل لمرحلة من عدم الاستقرار قد نحتاج سنوات للخروج منها, اتمنى ان تحل المشاكل قبل حدوث اي شي من هدا القبيل.

This does not validate the count, looking at it on the monthly chart, the only thing that is not perfect is the length of wave 2 in wave 3, regardless of how you try to count it, as I said it is not a perfect wave but the wave still meets all rules of a correct Eliot wave.


Yup, that is exactly what I just said, without using the levels.


Agreed but I still think we have a long way to go for panic to stop, that we had so far is merely the pandemic effect, the global economy was going to collapse either way this will only speed things up.

Short term look at BTC, I see us going to $5100, and then $4600, was not planning to take such a trade, but I can't stop my itchy hands. 

تجد مثل هده المواضيع المتعلقة بالعملات البديلة في قسمها المخصص , لا اعتقد ان حملات الايردوب توقفت ابدا, ربما قل نشاطها ولكن اعتقد ان الجدوى المادية منها ليس موجودة الان نظرا لان السوق قد عاد الى طبيعته نسبيا ومعظم العملات الجديدة اصبحت بلا اي قيمة تذكر, ولكن هدا لايعني ان سعرها لن يعاود الصعود مجددا, تبقى هناك احتاملات لكل شي, ولكن انا اثفق مع الاخ اوميجا, حاول تطوير حسابك والتعلم ونشر المعرفة اولا, وعندها ستكون وسائل الكسب متاحة لك وهي افضل بكثير من الركض وراء ايردروب لعملة مستقبلها غير معروف اصلا.

اعتقد ان الافلام والترفيه بصفة عامة هوا سلاح ذو حدين, فكما هوا مضيعة للوقت وفي معظم الاوقات لا يأتي بفائدة مباشرة, الا انه قد يكون مفيدا لابقائك بعيدا عن اشياء اسواء, اعتقد ان الجميع يفضل ان يشاهد ابناءه او اخوته افلاما في الليل عوضا عن التسكح مع رفاق السوق خارج المنزل, بكل تاكيد القراءة والتعلم افضل من مشاهدة الافلام ولكن احيانا الاسواء يجعل من السيء جيد, انا لست مدمن على الافلام ولكن تقريبا اشاهد فلم او اتنين او اسبوعيا كنوع من الترفيه مع العائلة, في الواقع في مثل هده الاوقات والحجر الصحي قد تكون الافلام هي احد الوسائل القليلة المتاحة للترفيه 


بكل تأكيد اخي, فحتى بعيدا عن الجانب الاخلاقي, الالتكرونات بصفة عامة لها تأثير عميق على الاطفال واهمها مرض التوحد بحيث ان الطف يصبح يعيش في عالم اخر معزول كليا عن عالمه الواقع ويواجه صعوبة في الحديث والفهم والتأقلم مع العالم الحقيقي, لاجب بأي حال من الاحوال السماح للاطفال باستخدام الانترنت والموبايلات.

There are no invalidations in Wave 3, I agree that the wave is not perfect, especially the way "they" count (ii) in the said wave but as far as structures are concerned, nothing really invalidates the wave count, if you see any invalidations, please point them out, I am far from an expert with EW.


It does make sense.


Speaking of large time frames (weekly and monthly) the only previous similar situation we had with double bottom formation was the 2015 capitulation period, that was not a perfect double-bottom but we had a wick go below the body of the previous candle, which in hour case should have been the $3600 level, but we did dip to as low as $3700 on some exchanges, so you are right, as far as double-bottom this could be it.


I wish I had half the optimism you got because I think we are not even halfway to misery as far as the global economy is cornered, today alone the U.S had over 5000 new Corona cases, the same number in Italy, sadly Italy lost 627 people today to the virus, and if you look at the Coronavirus chart you can easily see an uptrend of nearly 90 degrees, I know for certain that China was the best country to handle the virus, and I can only assume that things will be worse everywhere else, no vaccine seems to be coming next week, our bodies don't seem to be developing any new method to fight the virus, I don't want to spread fear, but things don't look promising at all, sadly.  

As far as TA is concerned, I am keeping a close eye on everything, the monthly candle has a lot to tell as well, I will take any close above 6.4k as a good sign on the monthly timeframe, and weekly close above 200MA is as good, a weekly close above 20MA and I will become bullish, close above 10.5k and a retest, I will be super bullish, but I think all of that is wishful thinking because the most likely scenario, for now IMO is this > 6.1k-6.4k is major resistance and we are unlikely going to break it, we head back to make a lower low below 3.1k, everyone and their grandmother loses hope in bitcoin, range between 2k and 4k for a few months, and then start a new bull cycle.

I will not be trading based on that scenario, that's a very large picture, I am sticking to the short/midterm in my trading, but it's a scenario that worth to be highly considered and prepared for, what we have now is everyone thinking the halving will change everything and take us to new ATH, everyone thinks making money is easy, buy bitcoin before the halving, become rich after the halving, but we know that markets don't work this way, it needs to eliminate those people first and thus, the scenario above is not any less likely to happen than any other scenario.

Let's watch the 200MA and the weekly candle's close in 2 days.

Thank you for the input, I suggest you may start a thread in the Italian board regarding this subject, the company claims to have physical ATMs in the streets of Italy, this shouldn't be too hard to confirm, I assume at least a few members in the Italian community can at least confirm/deny the existence of CryptoLocalATM's Bitcoin ATMs.

To this point, and based on the above evidence I presented in my previous reply, we know the forum member does actually use the same donation page from CryptoLocalATM website itself, so at this point, it's no longer a matter of the member's own integrity but the company itself.

احسنت, بكل تأكيد تلك الاعلانات هي مهمة لاستمرار الموقع ففي النهاية هم يدفعون الاموال لتوفير تلك الافلام واستضافتها, بغض النظر عن انها مزعجة, المشكلة الاكبر هي نوع الاعلانات, تخيل انك تجلس مع ابنائك لمشاهدة فلم كرتون وتظهر لك اعلانات اباحية وتشاهدها انت وابنائك  , طبعا لشخص يشاهد وحدة قد لا يشكل له نوع الاعلانات اي مشكلة.

ثقافة الدفع الالتكروني جديدة كليا في معظم الدول العربي, ثم ان اسعار الخدمات المدفوعة قد تكون مرتفعة بالنسبة للبعض, فمثلا 10$ شهريا في نت فلكس او موقع مشابه قد تكون رقم كبير على الكثير من الناس, بعض الناس لديه شغف بخصوص الافلام والمسلسلات ويمكن ان يحرم نفسه من شي معين لدفع المبلغ لمشاهدة الافلام, وفي النهاية كل شخص وامكانياته.

The drop may seem like a lot, but if you compare it to the very near past you can see a few interesting stuff.



https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-price-btc.html#6m

dashed-line = price
line = hashrate

We are now at 85E diff and 6.2k price, the last time we had this hashrate was 3 months ago, Dec of 2019, the price was 7.2k, the only difference now is that more efficient gears are in the game and prices don't seem to be stable nor going to the upside, so it's very likely that we see more decline in the hashrate, with just 52 days to the halving it's highly unlikely that we go up from here, there may be a few newbies or risk-takers who will join now, but I guess those will hardly maintain the current hashrate, let alone taking it to a higher level.

I think China will play a major rule in the recovery of the market and not the opposite, China has officially defeated the spread of the Coronavirus and they seem to be slowly returning to business, this is what the numbers suggest and my Chinese friends also confirmed it, so China was the first the to get into trouble and the first to come out, I am counting big time on the Chinese to actually lead the recovery, I hope other countries manage to defeat the virus as fast, that will not only save the economy but will save a lot of lives.

Phill, we are right at what I expected 6 days ago.

Kindly "random me" in this raffle if possible:

Thanks

Your feedback states


Which suggests that he is a scammer, the other two negatives also suggest that he is a scammer, however, none of us here is certain that he actually is, and therefore the negative feedbacks should be "ignored temporarily", but I failed to make that clear enough in my feedback, and thus I have changed it.

This way if there is someone willing to donate to help save a life, at least they know that the negative feedbacks are rather precautions and that they should not negate the idea of donating altogether yet.

How is that an S9k issue? this is more like every fan on planet earth's issue, running for months with probably little no cleaning is enough to toast any fan, it really has nothing to do with the S9k model itself, S9k is indeed the worst miner as far as the control board and hashboards are concerned, but it's a matter of luck when dealing with fans, I have some fans that spin for nearly two years at 90% without a problem, some die in a few months, you just got to blame your luck and move on, there isn't really any way around to fix those fans given their cheap prices.

OP, get yourself a new fan/s as Phill said, and I would advise you to actually get an extra one because pretty soon the other one might stop working too, a spare fan and a spare PSU are really important, this is why owning a single miner is probably a bad idea, because buying a spare fan, PSU and a control board for a single miner is not the best thing to do, but if you have a few of them and keeping a single piece of spare of everything makes a lot of sense.

On a side note, I am not sure if this just by chance, but I noticed that setting a fixed fan speed on those fans even at high RPMs of 90%, the fans tend to last longer than those set to auto-mode, maybe the continuous change of the motor speed kills it faster, or maybe that was just my luck.

I think the negatives are accepted in this case, they are merely precautions since there are more scammers than legit people who ask for donations, my research so far does not suggest that he is trying to scam, I also have no way to confirm he is legit or at least the whole CryptoLocalATM is legit or not.

In order to be fair to the accused user, and also not to send potential donators away after reading the negatives, I have added a neutral feedback explaining that the user is not a confirmed scammer, but nobody should send them donations just yet, but rather keep an eye on this topic until we confirm his integrity.

I am sure those members will be willing to delete their negatives if they see proof suggesting he is legit, and if he is not, those feedbacks would have served their purpose anyway.

Scammers have always taken advantages of things like donations for war victims, natural disasters and pandemics are no difference, it's a common tradition for scammers here to create a locked/self-moderated topics, and it's pretty normal for people to accuse or suspect you for scam simply for 1- asking for money 2- Having a self-moderated topic, those two things are like mixing gasoline and fire.

I am not accusing you of anything, I am also not defending you either, for all I know, you could be a legit kind soul that is trying to help fight the deadly virus, and you may very well be just another scammer, what I am trying to do is point you to the right direction of doing things, start by not having a self-moderated topic, accept suspensions with an open heart, do NOT ignore them yet ANSWER them, if I am going to donate a dime I need to make sure my hard-earned money is actually going for a good cause and not your pocket, I assume you as a grown person should understand.

Now the right thing to do would be asking a highly trusted member from the Italian board, I think @fillippone is an Italian, or maybe the Italian Mod? those can "easily" perform their due diligence on the said company and see if you are actually representing a known ATM company in Italy, they can make a phone call and double-check all the details, and then report their findings in your new NOT-SELF-MODERATED topic.

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My findings so far:



-  CryptoLocalATM does seem like a legit Italian company specialized  in BTC ATM in Italy located at


Source: Google map


- On their website, https://cryptolocalatm.com/ arrived here, they have a Donation Page



The link on that image is https://cryptolocalatm.com/bitcoin-donation-to-hospitals-for-the-covid-19-emergency/ archived here

This is how it looks



The link on the "Donate Now" bottom is http://donationscovid19.net/ archived here

Looking at the accused member topic in the Italian board archived here, he has the same url http://www.donationscovid19.net/.

Both links (obviously) re-direct to https://pay.cryptolocalatm.com/apps/4XnRgB3pMHqTUX6jB54JNNo81Phb/crowdfund


So it seems like the accused user does actually represent CryptoLocalATM, a trusted member picking the phone and double-checking that CryptoLocalATM is actually legit and their website was not hacked whatsoever will solve this issue.

Notifications: http://loyce.club/notifications/2033515.html

اعتقد اني فهمت الفكرة, ستكون رائعة ان تم تنفيدها بالطريقة الامنة والمطلوبة, شكرا على توضيح الامور التي تم السؤال عنها من قبلي ومن قبل الاخوة الاخرين.

نصيحة بخصوص الردود, اولا حاول عدم اقتباس الردود كاملة, لتقليل طول النص, يمكن الاكتفاء باقتباس جزء النص الذي ان تريد ان ترد عليه, او لاداعي للاقتباس وقم بكتابة اسم المشترك التي توجه له الرد مع علامة @ مثلا @mikeywith, ايضا قوانين المنتدى تمنع وضع اكثر من تعليق لعضو واحد بدون ان يكون هناك تعليق عضو اخر وبدون مرور 24 ساعة, يعني لا يمكن كتابة تعليقان متتالين بدون ان يتوسطهم تعليق لشخص اخر, او ان يكون الفارق بينهم في التوقيت 24 ساعة, لذلك يمكنك تعديل الرد الاول واضافة الردين الاخرين فيه.

شكرا لرحابة صدرك وتقبل مروري.

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لتطوير حسابك يجب عليك اولا الاطلاع على القواعد من هنا https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2345906.0

تم فهم كيفية الترقية العضوية هنا https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2365213.0

بعد تطرقي لموضوع المصطلحات الثقنية مع الاخ hugeblack في هدا الموضوع اعتقد ان هدا وقت مناسب لرفع الموضوع وفي الواقع تحديثه, اتمنى ان  لا يكون للاخ Kavelj22 اي مانع بخصوص تحديث هدا الموضوع.

في الوقت الحالي ربما يكمننا البدء في التفاهم على افضل بديل لهده الكلمات