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I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.
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I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.
I am not quick to judge, that is why I ask other DT members, as recently one site had real connection with WHO even if it looked suspicious. Maybe @babo can write more as he gave him 1 merit and he is from Italy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=65636
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I don’t think it’s remotely legitimate, I’d say it’s almost certainly a scam so I’ve negged him. Some people really are scum.
I am not quick to judge, that is why I ask other DT members, as recently one site had real connection with WHO even if it looked suspicious. As far as I understand, this site was created by a campaign that develops and supports a gateway for accepting bitcoins at retail, as well as BTC ATMs in Italy. On their official website, they write about this charity event: https://cryptolocalatm.com/bitcoin-donation-to-hospitals-for-the-covid-19-emergency/ them and Twitter: https://twitter.com/CryptoLocalATM/status/1240338594428043266 I may be wrong about the sincerity of CryptoLocalATM work, but at this point I have no reason to accuse them of fraud. Now the topic specified by OP is deleted , as it was a duplicate of the thread placed earlier: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234037.0 Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20200320192203/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234037.0
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Messages I received in PM from CryptoLocalATM: Why do you want to destroy our trust? I have not left you any feedback because you have given me a negative feedback accusing us of our noble initiative? we are not scammers we are a serious and reliable company in italy they all know us but just do some research on google we are always present in various blockchain events, we have 6 atm, and we provide blockchain services to more than 600 Italian companies with our pos, gateway and atm we don't need and we have never cheated anyone ... it's bad to be told this without even knowing each other. I do not find it correct that you have given us a negative feedback by invoking ruining our profile does not seem correct to me.
neutral for what reason then? you lost your precious time I imagine to create a post throwing mud on our noble work ... We have all our atm blocked because of the virus crown and we worked precisely because more than 3000 people died and you instead of helping you throw mud on of us without first checking our site and our history. Please delete that post especially on the scam section because we are not scams and our 2 year reputation proves it. thank you My reply: - I did not give you negative, but NEUTRAL feedback. - I don't want to 'destroy' anyone. - Consider making topics that are not self moderated. - Don't create multiple topics in all local sections if they are not translated correctly. http://archive.vn/nL3tC
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If you wanted to create topic in Croatian local section for example - You need to post in Croatian language only. Hire someone to translate or ask for help with translation. I did not create multiple copy/paste topics in all local sections. You did that. You can do as you like, but this is not the way to help people with Covid worldwide and in Italy. Are you threatening me?
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I have nothing more to add than to report the post to the appropriate authorities.
Please report it, and make sure to read what I wrote in first post. I absolutely do not threaten anyone you are accusing an honest company of scam so I ask you to delete the topic because it makes no sense.
Looks like a mafia threat to me.
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I tried to ask a couple simple questions, and my posts were promptly deleted.
Obviously this person will take any coins and disappear.
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March 21, 2020, 02:54:50 AM Last edit: March 21, 2020, 03:38:50 AM by mikeywith |
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self-moderate was deliberately chosen to avoid getting it dirty and focus only on the collection and also because many people jealous of us and of our initiative are always ready to hinder us without checking that we are a company with a historical and reliability
Scammers have always taken advantages of things like donations for war victims, natural disasters and pandemics are no difference, it's a common tradition for scammers here to create a locked/self-moderated topics, and it's pretty normal for people to accuse or suspect you for scam simply for 1- asking for money 2- Having a self-moderated topic, those two things are like mixing gasoline and fire. I am not accusing you of anything, I am also not defending you either, for all I know, you could be a legit kind soul that is trying to help fight the deadly virus, and you may very well be just another scammer, what I am trying to do is point you to the right direction of doing things, start by not having a self-moderated topic, accept suspensions with an open heart, do NOT ignore them yet ANSWER them, if I am going to donate a dime I need to make sure my hard-earned money is actually going for a good cause and not your pocket, I assume you as a grown person should understand. Now the right thing to do would be asking a highly trusted member from the Italian board, I think @fillippone is an Italian, or maybe the Italian Mod? those can "easily" perform their due diligence on the said company and see if you are actually representing a known ATM company in Italy, they can make a phone call and double-check all the details, and then report their findings in your new NOT-SELF-MODERATED topic.
My findings so far: - CryptoLocalATM does seem like a legit Italian company specialized in BTC ATM in Italy located at Via Angelo Emo, 86, 00136 Roma RM, Italy Phone Number :+39 06 3105 0469 Source: Google map
- On their website, https://cryptolocalatm.com/ arrived here, they have a Donation Page The link on that image is https://cryptolocalatm.com/bitcoin-donation-to-hospitals-for-the-covid-19-emergency/ archived here This is how it looks The link on the "Donate Now" bottom is http://donationscovid19.net/ archived here Looking at the accused member topic in the Italian board archived here, he has the same url http://www.donationscovid19.net/. Both links (obviously) re-direct to https://pay.cryptolocalatm.com/apps/4XnRgB3pMHqTUX6jB54JNNo81Phb/crowdfundSo it seems like the accused user does actually represent CryptoLocalATM, a trusted member picking the phone and double-checking that CryptoLocalATM is actually legit and their website was not hacked whatsoever will solve this issue.
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I think red - trust doesn't warrant here ( more likely from DT ), as there is no solid proof of scam or any real victims complaining around. As per the above details by mikeywith, we can even say that the donation address posted by CryptoLocalATM is legimate at an extent.
I would not be surprised by the aggressive replies from CryptoLocalATM, it's inconvonce to them without any reasons for sure. I am even sure any divine person donating for COVID-19 would use his due intelligence before investing.
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March 21, 2020, 04:01:52 AM |
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I think red - trust doesn't warrant here ( more likely from DT ), as there is no solid proof of scam or any real victims complaining around. As per the above details by mikeywith, we can even say that the donation address posted by CryptoLocalATM is legimate at an extent.
I think the negatives are accepted in this case, they are merely precautions since there are more scammers than legit people who ask for donations, my research so far does not suggest that he is trying to scam, I also have no way to confirm he is legit or at least the whole CryptoLocalATM is legit or not. In order to be fair to the accused user, and also not to send potential donators away after reading the negatives, I have added a neutral feedback explaining that the user is not a confirmed scammer, but nobody should send them donations just yet, but rather keep an eye on this topic until we confirm his integrity. I am sure those members will be willing to delete their negatives if they see proof suggesting he is legit, and if he is not, those feedbacks would have served their purpose anyway.
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March 21, 2020, 04:41:25 AM |
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I have added a neutral feedback explaining that the user is not a confirmed scammer, but nobody should send them donations just yet, but rather keep an eye on this topic until we confirm his integrity.
Your neutral feedback says to ignore our feedback. :/ I'm not sure if he is a scammer, but I do know he deleted my simple questions - which is what my feedback states.
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I'm not sure if he is a scammer, but I do know he deleted my simple questions - which is what my feedback states.
Your feedback states Taking advantage of the pandemic. Which suggests that he is a scammer, the other two negatives also suggest that he is a scammer, however, none of us here is certain that he actually is, and therefore the negative feedbacks should be "ignored temporarily", but I failed to make that clear enough in my feedback, and thus I have changed it. This way if there is someone willing to donate to help save a life, at least they know that the negative feedbacks are rather precautions and that they should not negate the idea of donating altogether yet.
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but I failed to make that clear enough in my feedback, and thus I have changed it.
Unexpected but nice and refreshing! This way if there is someone willing to donate to help save a life, at least they know that the negative feedbacks are rather precautions and that they should not negate the idea of donating altogether yet.
I would hope that by now that anyone having bitcoin they can afford to donate probably knows how to use an exchange.
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I wonder how many legitimate attempts we do not let through because of say language difficulties and cultural differences, and how many illegitimate ones we do let through unknowingly.
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Hello guys, I am posting here because I have been mentioned here and notified via PM about this project. If someone asks my opinion I am ready to answer with my personal opinion. My personal opinion concept is clear enough I think: I did what I tough it is the best to make this opinion as close as possible to reality, but I bear not guarantee this is the case. I am not Italian mod, I am a simple user, so no way I am going to verify anything about anyone making calls or looking for documents, sorry. I doubt this is also something a mod could do, but I really have no role in that. The reality is that I don't know CryptoLocalATM I know there is an operator in Italy who runs many Bitcoin ATM named CryptoLocalATM, I discovered it while discussing Bitcoin ATM's in Italy. I know that society denounced a scam regarding Bitcoin Vending machines, resulting in a possible loss of fund for users. I don't knwo if the user is somehow related to this operator. Beside that, I cannot make any assumption about the project. I have no proof to say anything about that. I can say there are project with much more transparency about the process. Like this one, for example. I "rediscovered" this project I got to know year ago. Again ,no too many facts to oppose, but the BT thread about this project dates back to 2015. But again, this is my personal opinion. Sorry I have no facts to help you in your decision about that.
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we work against the scam and on our website we have written various articles against the scam and now we see that we are accused of scam? perhaps it would be better to check if a user wants to scam or issue negative trusts like asche and LFC_Bitcoin
After making sure of our good faith and the existence of our company that works in transparency, please delete this post that damages our image and also those data "TRUST" without any sense and without reason, thanks.
I really don't like to use such a difficult situation for personal purposes and take profit for yourself. Your website did not convince me that you are a legal organization, and it's very likely some really registered and serious organisation can't collect funds because people already scammed of the same thing. So, until you show strong evidence that you represent a charity you remain red marked from my side. No need to argue here, bring us solid evidence here and there will be a donation, not just red trust removing.
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...Now do you believe in us? This of course is our last post and I ask people before accusing us of investigating well and seeing that our initiative is public and noble we would never joke in such a serious problem. Among other things, it also applies to our image...
I do not believe that you are engaged in fraud, I have already written about this before: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5234209.msg54065665#msg54065665 I see your real business that is connected with bitcoins. But the way you didn't approach fundraising professionally is surprising to me. According to the statistics on your site, you have collected $13 in 38 days. Such assistance will not be able to radically change the situation with the coronavirus. I think you need to focus your work on something more important.
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mikeywith
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be constructive or S.T.F.U
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Thank you for the input, I suggest you may start a thread in the Italian board regarding this subject, the company claims to have physical ATMs in the streets of Italy, this shouldn't be too hard to confirm, I assume at least a few members in the Italian community can at least confirm/deny the existence of CryptoLocalATM's Bitcoin ATMs. To this point, and based on the above evidence I presented in my previous reply, we know the forum member does actually use the same donation page from CryptoLocalATM website itself, so at this point, it's no longer a matter of the member's own integrity but the company itself.
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