@FaSan
Io dico se uno si intrufola nel server con il wallet. Il classico comando dumpprivkey nei multisig come si comporta? Restituisce tutte le chiavi o solo una?
Devi lavorare in RawTX. FaSan Infatti come fa ad intrufolarsi in un wallet che non è online ? Si chiama appunto cold wallet, che ci fa online  ? Si ma le multi-sig mica vanno bene solo per quello cold. Anche su quello online garantiscono massima sicurezza. Logico che non devi lasciar tutte le chiavi sul server ^^' Si capisco, io parlava di cold wallet. Si sa che il multisig è perfetto per un coldwallet ... |
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@FaSan
Io dico se uno si intrufola nel server con il wallet. Il classico comando dumpprivkey nei multisig come si comporta? Restituisce tutte le chiavi o solo una?
Devi lavorare in RawTX. FaSan Infatti come fa ad intrufolarsi in un wallet che non è online ? Si chiama appunto cold wallet, che ci fa online ? |
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L'intermediario comunque in generale serve "solo" in caso di disputa, il vantaggio è che se si è onesti ma soltando sfiduciosi l'un l'latro, si può fare comunque tutto da soli.
Vero. @redsn0w Per tornare al discorso dei furti dai cold wallet. Chi ha il multisig dove vengono depositati transitoriamente i BTC, teoriacamente ha anche tutte le chiavi quindi può sempre sparire col bottino se non erro Si , però se scappa via con il bottino e tutti erano a conoscenza che il cold wallet usava un address multisig... la vedo dura spiegare a tutti gli utenti come diamine il malintenzionato ha rubato i bitcoin. Quindi la colpa sarebbe al 99% del exchange stesso. Se qualcuno si intrufola nel server, che sia multisig o meno credo che il danno ormai sia fatto. Quindi forse il 99% credo sia un po' altino. @FaSan Per le fiat non ci siamo secondo me. Ma per gli exchange di altcoin forse ci possiamo studiare qualcosa...  Non tutte le chiavi devono essere sullo stesso "pc", se no che senso avrebbe il multisig ? Ogni chiave andrebbe "delocalizzata" su un'altra macchina. |
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But most newbies won't be aware of the colour scheme/this feature so I'm not sure how useful it will be. Also, people impersonating staff is very rare and them successful scamming from it is either rarer.
It will not remove the scam but I'm sure it will drop the scam attempt to the various newbie. As you know someone has tried to scam the users, through pm, that pointing at auction (Advertise on this forum - Round 000) and a couple of users have lost their bitcoin.So at the end this function can prevent the scam attempt, because it doesn't exist a solution that works at 100% |
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L'intermediario comunque in generale serve "solo" in caso di disputa, il vantaggio è che se si è onesti ma soltando sfiduciosi l'un l'latro, si può fare comunque tutto da soli.
Vero. @redsn0w Per tornare al discorso dei furti dai cold wallet. Chi ha il multisig dove vengono depositati transitoriamente i BTC, teoriacamente ha anche tutte le chiavi quindi può sempre sparire col bottino se non erro Si , però se scappa via con il bottino e tutti erano a conoscenza che il cold wallet usava un address multisig... la vedo dura spiegare a tutti gli utenti come diamine il malintenzionato ha rubato i bitcoin. Quindi la colpa sarebbe al 99% del exchange stesso. |
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Thanks I've added these tweets to the OP, and now I hope that who have CNY & USD can request his money. Write here if you can make the withdrawal. |
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io però non capisco perché molti siti tra cui anche i vari exchange non usino il multiSig
Perchè quando arriverà il momento di -sparire- come lo giustifichi il furto al cold wallet ?  FaSan Eh mi sa che hai ragione, è difficile spiegare a "tutti i tuoi utenti registrati" come il malintenzionato abbia spostato dei fondi da un cold wallet " *offline" sapendo 2 delle 3 chiavi private. *con offline intendo proprio dire che non è mai stato connesso internet, bastava un 1 secondo solo ed avrebbe perso la proprietà del "cold wallet" stesso. |
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He means your upload capacity. There have been cases in the past where Bitcoin Core used all of the upload capacity of the users' Internet connection. To the point of making browsing etc. impossible.
Netlimiter is a software for Windows that allows you to limit programs to certain speeds.
Oh i didnt knew that , thanks mate But no all good , i can play online games and browse just fine without issues Wait til someone on a vps or dedicated server tries to grab the blockchain from you. =p Well, you may be OK if you have 10Mbps + upstream. Not so with me at 768kbps. Netlimiter is cool to have, anyway. So much better than using QoS on router .. What  they can do that ? I mean downloading the blockchain from me ? So that's where the blockchain comes from ? I thought it's downloading it from a link or something on the first place pretty interessting information to be honest ~ Madness Remember that it is a peer-to-peer (P2P) crypto currency , so every node communicate with all the network. Like the old Emule or uTorrent but here the file is the blockchain ledger (with all the bitcoin transaction). Hm I see , it does make sense I guess But let's say someone is running the Bitcoin Core for first time so he need to download the blockchain , how the Bitcoin Core will choose from where to download the blockchain ? Randomly ? or same country etc ... ? ~ Madness I can't give you a secure answer but I think that the node is chosen randomly (but I'm not sure). |
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OP asked for loan to gamble? its a bad habit mate, better if you stop your gambling addiction no wonder what will happens next :/
You shouldn't give him a loan for a "gambling question". At least ask for a valid collateral, but williamj2543 has "believed" in the OP and it was turned in a "semi scam". I hope the OP will repay the loan. |
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Come ha detto FaSan se il presunto hacker volesse spostare i fondi dal cold wallet avrebbe bisogno di 2 delle 3 chiavi private ( address multiSig standard). Ora mettiamo caso che l hacker venga in possesso di una delle tre chiavi private, non sarebbe in grado di firmare la tx verso il suo address e quindi non muoverebbe neanche 1 satoshi.
Questo sistema se usato per il cold wallet aumenta drasticamente la sicurezza, io però non capisco perché molti siti tra cui anche i vari exchange non usino il multiSig. Posso capire se non esistesse, ma è una funzione che è già presente dal lontano 2012.
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He means your upload capacity. There have been cases in the past where Bitcoin Core used all of the upload capacity of the users' Internet connection. To the point of making browsing etc. impossible.
Netlimiter is a software for Windows that allows you to limit programs to certain speeds.
Oh i didnt knew that , thanks mate But no all good , i can play online games and browse just fine without issues Wait til someone on a vps or dedicated server tries to grab the blockchain from you. =p Well, you may be OK if you have 10Mbps + upstream. Not so with me at 768kbps. Netlimiter is cool to have, anyway. So much better than using QoS on router .. What they can do that ? I mean downloading the blockchain from me ? So that's where the blockchain comes from ? I thought it's downloading it from a link or something on the first place pretty interessting information to be honest ~ Madness Remember that it is a peer-to-peer (P2P) crypto currency , so every node communicate with all the network. Like the old Emule or uTorrent but here the file is the blockchain ledger (with all the bitcoin transaction). |
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I say: Yes, you can! Imagine, that the right ethereum-agent could do all administrative work for a city!
Can you do that? Most Ethereum-related things I've seen are rather lame. I would like to see what ethereum will do (if it will be released). Can it help the decentralization ? Oraclize can do the same (about decentralization) and it has been already released. |
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Ormai se un nuovo exchange non usa multiSig non andrebbe proprio calcolato, con tutti gli "hack" che ci sono stati dovrebbe iniziarlo ad usare tutti.
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I've voted for republican but I would prefer a sort of decentralized "government" the democracy has failed. We "need" a revolution, and the blockchain can help us.
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Hey marcotheminer, I've searched my ID but the site gave me this error: error uid : 211419 new = -5350 Please try again |
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Owning bitcoin is not complex. Spending and protecting them takes time to learn. I don't think it's that difficult. If people can online bank then they should be able to use blockchain.info. I truly believe bitcoin is too complex for the average shopper right now. We need a secure contact-less medium, similar to a credit card, to bring high street shoppers interested in bitcoin. Changing people's daily habits is difficult. I am fine with bitcoin staying off the high streets and focus on cross-border "internet" payment system. This is the real strength of bitcoin.
What makes you think these things wont come? I'm sure there will be all sorts of wallet apps to do things like contactless payments and have advanced security features (finger print scanning etc). Blockchain.info has a problem. New people here of the blockchain and they think Blockchain.info is THE site to go to. (Doesn't help how much it was featured on CNN's Inside Man episode). Blockchain.info was hacked. It's not that safe, but if Bitcoin became mainstream tomorrow, Blockchain.info would have a TON of new wallets created. Think of that, while reading this: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ohnb8/how_i_lost_15_btc_on_blockchaininfo_without_my/Blockchain.info will look like it's the best online wallet for a newcomer, but it has many problems, and should not be suggested to those new to Bitcoin to put all of their money into it. The best online wallet is greenAddress (multisig + 2FA). However you know it doesn't exist the 100% of security, but I agree with you because blockchain.info isn't secure and the proves exist ( a lot of hacks related to the site, the famous RNG value). |
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BTW: If they are close to bankruptsy they are not allowed by law to give money/coins back to a single or a group of persons ("They lost BTC only, so all others should get FIAT/altcoins back." -> NO). It doesn't matter if they lost BTC, LTC, FIAT or something else. In the situation of a bankruptsy they will add their whole assets and this total is divided to all creditors.
I think they check their liquidity at the moment, also in case of an exchange run.
I remember some local shitty exchange had around a few hundred thousand dollars in orders (denominated in local currency). Bter is a few orders of magnitude bigger, so their dollar funds should be in the millions (if not tens of millions). 7K btc is a huge sum indeed, but I honestly hope that the theft of so much money still wouldn't kill them, unless they are deliberately going to shut down the exchange, of course.In this case the "law" can help only with the FIAT money, if they run away and choose to scam all the customers also the altcoins +bitcoins will "disappear" (they will go). This is a really bad and difficult situation for all... |
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Maybe we will never obtain a 100% decentralization, because I think the people will start to think decentralization = anarchy but it isn't the same thing. Instead we can decentralize the life aspect as the approach with the government's institutions but it will take some time (and remember the governments can no longer be corrupt, or "bribe").
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yeh 3 days same picture, even promissed nxt withdraw still not working.
Hope f.. scums not just buying time to run away.
I hope they will not run as mintpal did in the past, at least pay the altcoins to all the "costumers" and after close (because I don't think they can pay all the 7k bitcoins). |
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prob devthedev id say. if he is willing to do it
OK thanks If you want I suggest you also Maidak, but devthedev is a great escrow for the community. |
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