danke. bisschen OT ist aber ok in diesem thread, finde ich (obwohl ich hier neu bin). Zum Kurs: UP as long as $32 holds. Aber im ernst: bin so bullish wie schon lang nicht mehr. Die West-börsen haben meiner Ansicht nach das Ruder wieder übernommen, China könnte nochmal recht bös mit news reinhauen, aber glaub nicht so heftig wie die letzten beiden male und vielleicht auch garnicht. Sowohl die fundamentalen Aussichten für Bitcoin als auch die Säsonalität sehen gut aus. Ich glaube, daß wir bis Februar ein neues all-time-high sehen werden. |
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Nowobyte, danke für Deinen Beitrag.
Ich hab hier grad in meinem Kopf einen derartig langen Post entwickelt, aber werde es nicht schaffen ihn aufzuschreiben.
Daher nur eine ganz kurze Antwort:
Solange alles freiwillig und ohne Zwang abläuft, kann es kein "Schmarotzertum" sein.
(den Hinweis auf unsere wie ein Krebsgeschwür wuchernde Beamtendiktatur kann ich mir jetzt doch nicht verkneifen)
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Reggie was also correct on the housing bubble.
interesting car analogy.
yeah, fuck lamborghinis, I want the bitcoin car that comes with it's own toll-free roads to everywhere in the world. |
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I don't get why all these savvy "Wall Street" investors are waiting until *after* the next round of pointless senate hearings to invest. If they're so interested in the future of bitcoin (as many people here seem to believe), then why not start investing now BEFORE the prices begin to skyrocket. Isn't that kind of the point of investing?
Maybe because it is unethical to invest other peoples money in a product that might become illegal or has a too high risk ratio.... just my BTC0.02 I doubt wall street types act according to some type of ethics much. They could be fearing legal repercussions, though. A broker might not necessarily look only at risk/reward in a potential investment he might recommend to his clients, but also at how well it can be argued later on (should the client sue for bad advice, fraud or whatever) that the investment was looking sound at the time. |
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Wenn weiter über Bypässe versucht wird den Willen der chinesischen Regierung zu umgehen könnte ich mir vorstellen das
1) China die ganz große Firewall gegen Bitcoin hochfährt (dadurch würde vermutlich ein China Fork entstehen mit unabsehbaren Folgen für den Rest der Bitcoin Welt)
Ein China Fork is meiner Ansicht nach extrem unwahrscheinlich. Es reicht ja ein funktionierender link um die Netze zu verbinden. So derartig abgeschottet kriegen die Chinesen das nun auch wieder nicht. m.E. wird hier etwas ausser acht gelassen, dass 1. auch die Masse der Chinesen keine "Nerds" sind die mal schnell auf TOR o.ä. umswitchen und 2. das umgehen einer staatlichen Firewall im immernoch arg repressiven China wohl auch nicht straffrei abgehen wird... Aber hin wie her, hoffe dass es nicht dazu kommt... Nochmal zum potentiellen China-Fork: Es muss ja nur einNerd in China vorhanden sein der über TOR oder cb-funk oder sonstwie 'nen link herstellt zum Rest der Welt und die frischen Blöche in China broadcastet und schon gibt's keinen Fork mehr. Also bis mir jemand erklärt wie das unterbunden werden soll (ohne das China-Internet komplett abzukoppeln) betrachte ich solche hypothesen als FUD. |
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Jetzt mal hier meine gefährliche nicht-experten-Antwort.
Ist eigentlich ganz einfach: Beim Kauf rechnest du die bezahlten USD zum jeweiligen Tageskurs (Datum Kauf) in EUR um. Das ist dein Anschaffungspreis. Beim Verkauf rechnest du die erlösten USD zum jeweiligen Tageskurs (Datum Verkauf) in EUR um. Die Gewinnermittlung machst du dann einfach mit den EUR-Werten (Veräußerungserlös minus Anschaffungspreis)
Ob du nun wenn du die USD tatsächlich in EUR zurücktauschst (withdraw von mtGox zum Beispiel) auch noch den Gewinn durch Wechselkursschwankung USD/EUR versteuern musst, weiss ich nicht. Wahrscheinlich schon, aber wohl nicht als Gewinn/Verlust aus privatem Veräußerungsgeschäft, da es sich um Devisen handelt. Dieses Thema habe ich bei meiner Steuer einfach ignoriert.
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Wenn weiter über Bypässe versucht wird den Willen der chinesischen Regierung zu umgehen könnte ich mir vorstellen das
1) China die ganz große Firewall gegen Bitcoin hochfährt (dadurch würde vermutlich ein China Fork entstehen mit unabsehbaren Folgen für den Rest der Bitcoin Welt)
Ein China Fork is meiner Ansicht nach extrem unwahrscheinlich. Es reicht ja ein funktionierender link um die Netze zu verbinden. So derartig abgeschottet kriegen die Chinesen das nun auch wieder nicht. |
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If you have never used Silkroad 1.0 in your life, you are not a true bitcoiner.  this is waht I exactly hate, so you think what are junks ? using drugs is one thing and using bitcoin is another thing, I am so happy that they took SR down, I hate when people start talking about "body freedom" and all that shit, do you have kids ? or let me put it this way, when you will have kids I would love to know what you think about your kid wasting his life with using drugs and I would love to know how would you feel looking at him, would you still think "yes freedom" so what do you think about child porn ? also normal ? man I hate these people.... the solution to protect your kids from drugs is education, not prohibition. |
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If you have never used Silkroad 1.0 in your life, you are not a true bitcoiner. Does making an account to see what all the fuss was about count? I never bought anything. Did you ever use GLBSE (command line)? I did  aaah! those were the times  . He should've left it at that. Quite secure, rather anonymous, harder to shut down. But people demanded to have a login and nice interface and shit. The old web interface wasn't bad at all either. |
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This is more like the Bitcoin I know and love. The lack of volatility over Xmas was disturbing. Cmon we need a 50% price drop now just to keep everyone on their toes.
tomorrow i'm buying 8k worth of bitcoins. ive gone weak in the knees  Smart move. That will make us go choo choo! Man I suck at this, what does go choo choo mean  oh god you sure you know what your doing buying 8K all at once? "choo choo" is the sound you hear when you miss the entry point and you're running behind a train, 8 thousand dollars in your hand. |
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This is more like the Bitcoin I know and love. The lack of volatility over Xmas was disturbing. Cmon we need a 50% price drop now just to keep everyone on their toes.
The first time I've seen volatility around Christmas with Bitcoin. Ever. 2011 seems to have seen similar volatility on the 25th:  |
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Last page had not one, not two, but THREE people, self-quoting and auto congratulating themselves for their previous "call" that it would go up after a breakout.
Fkin pathetic. Buy some self-esteem and stop self-quoting and jerking your own dick already....
we should quote each other instead for a nice circle-jerk. |
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Oh my god? U serious? Ask depth fallen off a cliff.
coins have been bought, so off the book they are. |
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I understand bitcoin and I'm looking to get as many coins as I can with a given amount of fiat
Then put in orders @ $350 and wait what happens. was looking for something more technical rather than glib I was thinking about this.  At this moment a sell off enough to take some risk but uncertain whether we will get there soon (if ever). A main rule of trading is 'when in doubt, don't do anything'. A lot of people here expect what you charted. Therefore it might not happen. Market tends to move in the direction of most pain. A lot of people here expect > $1k and ATHs next month, and that the rocket will take off by the new year. So it's difficult to use this as an indicator of sentiment. Many people were very sure that $576 was the bottom as well. Yeah, that's true. We can't draw any reliable conclusion from that. Phoenix1 is right, though: we'll find out. Looks like "most pain" was to be inflicted in upward direction. |
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I'm trying to replace some loans I took to go long on margin by better ones. How would I go about that?
I tried borrowing based on an existing loan offer from the book (by clicking an item in the lending offer table). This creates a "borrow limit" entry in the "unfilled credit demand/offer" section.
But it isn't being filled. Why not?
Another question: what happens if I close a "borrowed funds used in margin position" item? Does my position get affected (coins sold? (I'm long)) or is a new loan offer taken automatically?
thanks to anyone taking the time to explain this to me!
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How much money can you invest in that company before it explodes? ;-) |
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i'm just trying to say that despite it hurts to buy back with huge loss it maybe is the right thing to do, price seems to rocket and you can't sell high if you haven't bought
Sometimes you have to bite the bullet. I usually wait for too long and once I buy back in / get out it's too late and the tides are turning again. |
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www.blockchained.com at the very bottom shows the fiat graph and amount of coins for sale. amount of fiat on Gox going up and up, coins for sale going down. last night = 1200 coins down to $700 right now = 4300 coins down to $700 actually the bid sum seems to be at a record high according to blockchained:  |
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