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441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: March 28, 2018, 05:13:38 PM
Better sell PRL before 6 April and wait for the prices to go down then buy back.  Grin

Once SHL get's released on the exchange expect a freefall.

Why do you think it's going to fall?  If anything, it will go up.

It always goes like that, easy come easy go. It will be a dumpfest before 6 april and then rise again before the mainnet get's released and we'll have another dumpfest.
442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Credits will launch beta version of their blockchain tomorrow on: March 28, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
if they deliver they are miracle workers! 1million transactions per second would make them the most desirable technology out there atm

that's why i'm interested Smiley
443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Credits will launch beta version of their blockchain tomorrow on: March 28, 2018, 12:39:03 PM
Should I buy that green candle?  Huh that's the question...
444  Economy / Trading Discussion / Credits will launch beta version of their blockchain tomorrow on: March 28, 2018, 12:36:02 PM
The price has already been rising for ten days. Good buy right now? or not.
445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] eBTC | The New (ERC20) Bitcoin on: March 28, 2018, 12:34:47 PM
Is ebtc about to be listed on coinbase? After the erc20 announcement it seems very likely

Please don't spread FUD be responsible this project has no chance to get listed on Coinbase. Actually we don't need troll into this community just read latest announcement from Coinbase what decision they took lately about listing on new coins.

How is that FUD?
446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Credits will launch beta version of their blockchain tomorrow on: March 28, 2018, 12:33:01 PM
The price has already been rising for ten days. Good buy right now? or not.
447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Credits will launch beta version of their blockchain tomorrow on: March 28, 2018, 12:31:22 PM
The price has already been rising for ten days. Good buy right now? or not.
448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: March 28, 2018, 12:15:14 PM
Better sell PRL before 6 April and wait for the prices to go down then buy back.  Grin

Once SHL get's released on the exchange expect a freefall.
449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]CREDITS - New Blockchain for financial industry [15 Feb-28 Feb] on: March 28, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Im waiting the shillers and scammers to comment about the rise of the price once again


wow get a life dude..
450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: March 27, 2018, 08:32:34 PM
Do you think guys Prl price will jump few days before airdrop or it will not have any influence because BTC is in deep red zone? Is it worth buying now?

I think after few days we will see litle move up of BTC. Oyster will move up anyways but even more if BTC is in good “mood”. So, yes it worth it for us buying Oyster now.

There is very high chance price will rise so many people will try to take advantage to collect free tokens as many as they can. Now we are very close to this big moment and after few days this airdrop will happen.

Look what happened with the price of eBTC before the snapshot happened. Two days before the snapshot most of the pumping started and the next day it was already dumping. This might happen to PRL too. I'm glad I sold before the snapshot.

Yeah, because you can compare a useless ERC20 token like eBTC which has no purpose at all and is what others call a shitcoin with Oyster. Very smart.

Right now PRL is also just a ''useless ERC20 token''. And I'm very confident the big sell off will happen before the snapshot date.
451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN]🔵🔵 OYSTER 🔵🔵 Anonymous Storage Generates Revenue for Websites on: March 27, 2018, 08:22:22 PM
Do you think guys Prl price will jump few days before airdrop or it will not have any influence because BTC is in deep red zone? Is it worth buying now?

I think after few days we will see litle move up of BTC. Oyster will move up anyways but even more if BTC is in good “mood”. So, yes it worth it for us buying Oyster now.

There is very high chance price will rise so many people will try to take advantage to collect free tokens as many as they can. Now we are very close to this big moment and after few days this airdrop will happen.

Look what happened with the price of eBTC before the snapshot happened. Two days before the snapshot most of the pumping started and the next day it was already dumping. This might happen to PRL too. I'm glad I sold before the snapshot.
452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] eBTC | The New (ERC20) Bitcoin on: March 25, 2018, 05:51:24 PM
Do you guys think that the price will drop significantly after the airdrop tomorrow ?
I think that the price after the forthcoming airdrop will go to the level of 0.5-0.6 dollars. But this is all as long as the entire crypto currency market does not go through a bullish trend, then we will see 1.5-2 dollars again.

I have sold all my eBTC and am confident that I will be able to buy back at lower prices. I won't keep holding anymore after big spikes because the past has taught me something...

If the ePRX price is around .50$ it become hard to know what's the best choice between sell the eBTC before and buy when the price get lower, or take the airdrop for taking profit of the ePRX.

Btw, it seems obvious, but the ePRX will be trade on Kucoin after the snapshot, right ?

''KuCoin will distribute ePRX to all users who have their eBTC on KuCoin in the following weeks.''

You have to constantly check if they've put ePRX on their exchange if you want to be one of the first to dump your ePRX tokens. I've sold around 11-12K sats and hope the price will drop back down to 4.5K sats. It's a gamble but now I've already made a nice profit.


Such a drop in eBitcoin prices can occur only if the Bitcoin goes to a mark of 6500-7000 dollars. In any way, eBTC has powerful support.

You talk BS out of your ass.

eBTC reached 3559 sats when bitcoins price was $8600 USD. march 25 07.30
453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Exchanges to avoid on: March 22, 2018, 08:36:59 PM
Crytopia is the worst exchange of all. All my coins got missing after I unsuccessfully ether that didn't get to my wallet. No reply from support. The exchange should be destroyed totally from the crptocurrency world.check them Facebook you will see how many people crying of coins getting missing and unable to withdraw or deposit succefully

But how can we stop them when people will continue to give them their coins/tokens? In the normal world cryptopia would be forced to be closed and the founders go to prison.

Those kind of exchanges are the real cancer of the crypto-world.
454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Oyster Shell (SHL) airdrop on: March 22, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
There will be an airdrop at 6 April from Oyster Pearl 1:1. What can we expect from it's price? Time to buy now or wait a week for the price to drop down?
455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] INTENSE COIN - Blockchain backed decentralized VPN - Hybrid PoW on: March 22, 2018, 02:45:56 PM
Realize that coinpulse is the re-brand of the shittoken ebitcoincash EBCH.
456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]CREDITS - New Blockchain for financial industry [15 Feb-28 Feb] on: March 19, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
If processing 400K transactions per second was possibly believe me it would already be done by another devteam.

It`s done by Credits deal with it... You just jealous I guess?
 



Showing a fake youtube video the average person doesn't understand is proof?
457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Exchanges to avoid on: March 19, 2018, 09:53:21 AM
IDEX is a good exchange, but it is decentralized and The dexchange has matching mechanismsp.
The trading volume of this exchange is quite large, why would you think it is a shit exchange?

this thing is fking slow
. You can't withdrawal your tokens without having $50 worth of Eth.
458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Exchanges to avoid on: March 19, 2018, 09:49:25 AM
Maybe it's a good idea to create a list of shit-exchanges we should avoid. Boycott them to death.

1. Cryptopia (real cancerous), deposits will take hours to appear into your account and withdrawals can take hours, weeks or months if you're lucky or else bye bye coins.
2. Hitbtc, truely a shit-exchange where withdrawals can take weeks or even months. They also have no support team you can contact and charge deposit fees.
3. IDEX, not sure if this falls in the exchange category but this thing is fking slow. You can't withdrawal your tokens without having $50 worth of Eth.


You continue...

4. Etherdelta! You should avoid it because its really complex to use and you can easily make a mistake.
5. Exmo! Withdrawal of money hanging confirmations to the mail simply doesn't reach, support said most likely spam filter, suggested to change the registration mail and at the same time it requires more than a bank when registering a mortgage, the verification was two times on exmo.com and exmo.me
6. C-cex, You can put C-cex exchange on your shit list. I used it before. These guys are on new year vacation of 40 days. until those 40 days, they suspended all withdraw. How can an exchange go for a vacation of 40 days They have listed mainly scam coins such as MCAP so guys stay away!!!
7. Poloniex, I'm avoiding poloniex because I stuck on this exchange for few months with all my depo while crypto was growing) Support just take silence pause and that  was very sad for me)
8. Bittrex, i would also like to add Bittrex to the list of exchanges that you should avoid. because they scammed a lot of their users simply by changing their rules over night. that proves they can do anything they want without giving a shit and do it if it has lots of money for them.
9. Yobit, This is another exchange, which must be avoided. Support doesn't answer a few months. Your money can disappear without the reasons and explanations of the administration. The moderator sometimes appears in the chat, but doesn't respond to your messages...
10. Bitgrail, Add Bitgrail to that list, they are doing some shady business over there it seems.


Which exchanges are left to use?

1. Binance
2. Kucoin
3. Coinexchange
4. Cobinhood
5. Stocks.exchange
459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO]CREDITS - New Blockchain for financial industry [15 Feb-28 Feb] on: March 18, 2018, 11:30:03 PM
Alrighty then, back to important facts regarding this shitcoin.
I doubt you would ever be able to understand any of this, but hey I'm gonna leave it here anyway.


So I thought I'd do a translation and commentary on the Credits second alpha test Medium post (https://medium.com/@credits/the-alpha-version-of-credits-showed-a-speed-of-488-403-transactions-per-second-during-the-testing-ca5c1045577). Below are just my thoughts and observations. Quoted passages throughout are verbatim from the Credits team post.

QUOTE: "The platform node was deployed on a virtual machine in Microsoft Hyper-V for x64-based systems. The hardware specifications were the following: Intel® Xeon® E5–2630, 15 MB cache, 2.30 GHz, 7.20 GT/s Intel® QPI, Turbo boost of 2.80 GHz, 8 GB RAM.

The virtual platform configuration involved the creation of 29 nodes and 1 signaling server with the processor speed from 2.2 to 2.8 GHz."

They mention this themselves later in the post, but this is pretty feeble hardware for a performance test. But the really eye-opening bit is that they are running all 30 nodes on just one processor (6-cores). This is a serious limit on both the amount of load generated and the validity of this as a test. There is literally NO network overhead modeled in this test. Some might argue that, they must have used other system to run the client robots to generate the actual load. This is never stated, and even if true there is no modeling of network overhead to reach consensus or to transfer blocks between nodes.

QUOTE: "The main objective of testing was the ability of network architecture to manage and process large volumes of transactions. That was the asynchronous transaction processing by all nodes on the network due to multi-threading operations. "

Of course there is a hard-limit on the possibility of multi-threading when you're running 30 nodes on just 12 threads (6-core processor + hypertheading).

QUOTE: "In total run, the test was accomplished about 30 times and consistently went from 300 to 500 thousand transactions per second, due to the fact that such a number of transactions occupies up to 385 MB of memory (500 thousand transactions per second). The transaction has a maximum size that is reserved in the database, i.e. up to 808 bytes depending on the balance, the length of the address, the transaction currency, availability of digital signature, etc. We have decided to cut the transaction to 120–150 bytes in order to simplify testing. Otherwise, we would have had to deploy very powerful nodes with a high network bandwidth and a large storage. For example, for 1 hour at 500 tp/s the volume would amount to 1,387 TB."

I pointed this out in chat groups. The storage requirements of the Credits system are out of hand. First off, since they've removed Merkle trees from their blocks, there is no transaction pruning. I have also confirmed via their Telegram group that all nodes are expected to store all blocks. So let's run the numbers:

400k TP/S * 135 bytes = 54 MB/s. That translates to 4.6 TB/day . And that's with their faked reduced load. Their max transaction size is 808 bytes, so a more reasonable average of 404 bytes per transaction yields: 13.9 TB/day in data.

QUOTE: "The absence of EDS. We were tasked to test the load on a stable version of the platform. EDS requires additional processing time and adds 64 bytes to the volume of one transaction. The function is implemented in later versions of the platform with the use of technology ЕВ25519..."

I'm guessing they mean an "Encrypted Data Store" since they never expand out the acronym. So all of this is without encrypting/storing the data. I'm pretty sure this isn't what they mean since they then mention "EB25519" (sic). I think they mean EC25519 - elliptic curve key agreement. Which is not for encrypting data as they suggest but for creating public & private keys. So this statement is either opaque or just nonsense. But let me take them at face value and just add that 64 bytes of data to the previous computations.

So we now have the following transactions sizes 184 bytes (min during testing), 468 bytes (average?), 872 bytes (max). Yielding daily storage requirements of: 6.4 TB/day, 16.1 TB/day, 30 TB/day. It's worth noting that each node needs a download speed of 3 Megabits per second (Mbps) to keep up with the max data rate. And this is assuming only 400k TP/S.

QUOTE: "Validation of nodes. We refused from the validation algorithm DPOS and implemented a stable version of the validation algorithm BFT. During the testing phase, it was decided to use a stripped-down, but a stable version of this protocol."

So they didn't implement their proposed dPoS (dPoW??) algorithm, instead using a stable version of BFT? So this test does not actually reflect running their own proposed solution, but some other solution that they don't really specify. BFT (Byzantine Fault Tolerance) is the name of the problem, not the solution. The one solution ("Practical Byzantine Fault Tolerance" (PBFT) by Castro & Liskov -- Wikipedia) is an example of a solution. There are others, but stating "BFT" does not give any clue to the correctness, viability, speed, or applicability of the solution they used. Furthermore the resulting performance of the consensus (which must be reached by some majority of the nodes) is not reflective of their final solution. The consensus algorithm is the key bit of the system, it's the "crypto" part of cryptocurrency. I'm not sure how anyone is supposed to determine the viability of their system when it doesn't contain critical parts of the code they intend to run.

QUOTE: "The checking of transaction uniqueness was performed without checking the account balance. It affects the speed only to inconsiderable ~1–2%, but we would have to create a lot of different accounts."

Wait, that means there was no checking for double-spending. Hell there was no storage and updating of account data. So the memory requirements of that subsystem are also absent from the test. While the time required might be low, the actually memory usage can be significant. If the memory usage exceeds the capacity of the node (which is likely at these transaction speeds) the total time while grow exponentially as the nodes start switching to virtual memory (which can be 100-1000x slower than RAM).

QUOTE: "The following issues were also absent as not required for testing the system bandwidth: - Charging of fees for processing to the main and trusted nodes; - Processing related to smart contracts;"

Uh right, so all of this ignores the actual performance costs of running smart contracts. In fact, I asked in their Telegram group where/when the virtual machines (VM) for running smart contracts would be running (never addressed in their white paper or technical paper) and never got an answer. The whole system will slow down drastically when they need to start running transaction that are more than just moving Credits from one account to another.

QUOTE: "The speed is also reduced as the load on the network increases."

They casually toss this in, and follow it up with:

QUOTE: "The environment always greatly affects the network bandwidth, and the same applies to the network load. The rule is always the same regardless of the complexity of the system."

Right! So they decide to test all of their nodes running on a single server running in virtual machines? There is no real Internet delays, no lag time, no bandwidth restrictions. The test they ran is an optimal speed test, not a real performance test. Their optimal speed is an AVERAGE of 100-1000 TPS, which is inline with the performance we see from the likes of STEEM and BitShares today. While they manage 1 second long peeks of 400K, that is in no way a sustained rate. But all of that assumes an unrealistically fast/reliable network, which the real Internet isn't. Besides they're not running their production code, but a stripped down version without a version of the critical component (dPoS/dPoW).

QUOTE: "We decided to remove the response request from the connector. However, this step increased the risk of data loss during the synchronization. At the same time, there emerged some problems with the data transfer protocol: the maximum packet datagram of 65,535 bytes for the UDP Protocol did not permit transmitting larger packets. Packet sizes were restricted to maximum size of the datagram to solve both of these problems, i.e. reducing the loss of data during transmission and increasing the speed of processing."

Sigh. Again, this was an optimal network. UDP is not reliable, the Internet prefers TCP since it guarantees transmission (unlike UDP). Max size UDP packets run the risk of being dropped by routers on the Internet due to fragmentation/errors. Dropped UDP packets are just lost, and the servers are required to recognize the problem and resend. That's the "response request" they dropped from the test. Which would have slowed down their system! UDP is great when an unreliable data stream is acceptable (Eg. video). If one or more packets are lost, things like YouTube can just stall for a fraction of a second and continue playing, sometime unnoticed. I don't think you want your cryptocurrency failing to send synchronization packets between nodes. The result is delayed transaction times and the possibility of double-spending errors. In the case of slower protocols (BTC, ETH) where are are often large amounts of times to resend data (10 mins, 30 seconds respectively) UDP is probably acceptable. Credits is targeting 0.1sec. transaction times -- there isn't time for multiple resends between confirming nodes. Remember 51% of the trusted nodes have to agree on the ledger for a transaction to have a single confirmation.

QUOTE: "The average minimum time of passing a transaction record into the database is 1.302 microseconds ( 10 –6 sec) (transfer between nodes, processing and preservation in the storage). "

That's "average MINIMUM time" (emphasis mine). That of course is transfer between nodes RUNNING ON THE SAME COMPUTER AND IN PARALLEL THREADS ON DIFFERENT CORES! For freak's sake, that's no way indicative of even optimistic processing on a real network. For comparison, sending 56 bytes of data 8 feet on gigabit ethernet takes 450 microseconds, or 300 times longer. That's no router, no "real" Internet. Just a quick UDP transmit from my desk to the router in the corner.

Look, can the Credits team build a system? Probably. I think they still have a lot to learn about cryptocurrency, but they can learn it a build something. Will it handle 1 million tp/s in the real world? No. Will it handle 100k tp/s in the real world? Not likely. Will it handle 10k tp/s (peak) and 1-2k sustained? That's a possible outcome WITHOUT smart contracts. Which would make it approximately as fast as some of the non-contract capable blockchain solutions out there today. Will this team implement secure smart contracts, reliable/secure transactions at 1000+ tp/s? I don't think they'll be first or best at it.




It's all lies and bedtime stories kids. No matter how hard you try to shill, it's still only a shitcoin made to steal money from ignorant people.

fuck you
460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: We are all fu***ed on: March 18, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
Those who sell now will come back later this year only to buy back at ATH's and dump it again at a loss in 2019. Normies gonna norm, lol.  Grin

Aahahah   it  would   be  a  pretty ironic  thing if  that  happened...  but  this  time   it's  not  like the last time,  we need   a greater  hype  to attract  normi  again



You are giving them too much credit. That's like saying people won't go back to the casino's because they lost their money.
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