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441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 12:21:37 PM
oke gravity 3 fix is on github... we are going to contact everyone now.

starting with cryptsy

windows download also available on op page..

you will be rewarded later on today.

we first need to do the communication work.
442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
How many people are working on this coin?

Because i see that a lot of things are done quickly and efficiently.

I'm very happy what i see.

I hope you'll launch some other things with fork (web sites, games, foundation... etc..)


good job dev's.  Wink

currently testcompiling on platforms.... windows client ready.

linux compiling... macosx dude contacted.

- added protocol version to irc names ( for the giveaway )
- changed kgw block to 18818
- added checkpoints
- added version to splashscreen
- updated proto version to 80007
- update build version to 9999999-gravity-3

its a matter of minutes now

after push and windows upload, we will start update-giveaway on windows and linux clients within 2 hours

( we first need to contact all exchanges etc )


443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 11:32:15 AM
aar. and i are looking into a method to discard shares of miners ( pools ) having more then 50% of the network.


i see a circular reference here, pls make sure you don't end up discarding all shares.

yes, we just might do the kgw block update.

its safest, easiest and very fast to implement.

18323 might be the blocknumber of implementation

cheers

current block 18326.

sorry... 18818 we mean

this is going to be a fast update and involves a lot of contacting users.

more details will follow soon.
444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 09:31:27 AM
Hi
  Any sign of that OSX wallet gravity fix? Will that be it for wallet updates for a while or need we do something else soon too?

Thanks for all the hard work guys

JJ

yes this time the osx wallet will come available with 12hours
445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 09:20:46 AM
hallelujah! \o/

that will give us 36-48 hours to update.

a fast update of users will be done using a update-giveaway

pools, exchanges will be contacted immediately after launch by private msg/email

cryptsy will respond very fast to this.

your irc name will include network proto version

so we can check if you updated or not based on your ip.

you need to run with irc = ON.
446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 09:16:03 AM
aar. and i are looking into a method to discard shares of miners ( pools ) having more then 50% of the network.


i see a circular reference here, pls make sure you don't end up discarding all shares.

yes, we just might do the kgw block update.

its safest, easiest and very fast to implement.

18323 might be the blocknumber of implementation

cheers
447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 09:08:24 AM
There are around 12 more blocks of 240 to get to the kgm fix.

6 of these will take around 40 minutes each because of the rapid increase in miners.  The other 6 may take 1 day each due to high diff.

Another solution may be to try doing deals with themining pools.

I can see that on updamoon and major miners there are some big hash rate miners jump in when diff drops low and dissapear when it goes up again.

If these pools looked for any users connecting to the pool with higher than X hash rate that have not been there for at least 6 hours, and disconnected them, then this would help toward keeping the hash increase at diff change down.

An announcement on the thread here and also in their pool may help.  Or just stop any new stratum connects at diff change.

Though that may upset miners so would be the pools choice.  Though these miners should appreciate why it is being done.

just wanna react to this... the calcs are way off when i stop doing deals with middlecoin...

they just throw 22ghash at us... instead of 5. and that would be the end of it( . i pay 2 million for each 240 block to stay off ( out of my own pocket ).

i can sustain this 10 days... so i have 20 million ( i recently bought ).

when i dont pay up.. they point 22ghash at us and it would make round time so high that other miners will leave as well.

we saw it happen before... and we see it again... even with diff 100 ppl drop off. 22ghash -> diff over 150

there is no other way. except updating.... aar. and i are looking into a method to discard shares of miners ( pools ) having more then 50% of the network.

we will update you shortly

448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 12:43:43 AM
we have another 24h deal.

We got 187blocks with high diff at low hashrate. Giving average 8m per block gives us almost 25h of mining with high diff.

Why making deal now? They won't mine within this time...

in the deal is one 240 round.

we will update tomorrow.

+ do a update giveaway.

i hope that will resolve it all.

much work @ our side.. but is doable. not impossible.
449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
i made almost 400k with 3mh/s in last 3 days.

ps cryptsy very fast on responding currently.

and they do work in weekend.

i will be discussing tomorrow with the other devs what to do..

we probably will bring the block back to lower levels ( by > 1000 < 1500 )

changes to code to include version number in irc already been made.

so the update-giveaway might be on ( 1-2 million coins to be given away )

more info?... tomorrow
450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 08, 2014, 12:12:55 AM
So middle coin want you to pay for them to stay away.  F*ck them.  They are destroying the market they rely upon.

The coin will make it through this, just wait till all coins have gravity and the multipools die.  Let the middle coin owner make the coins while they can.  Their time is coming to an end.

yes.. multipools are dying.. but that wont help us now... i just make deals for the upcoming days ( doing business, see it that way )... lets hope its enough... it costs me other coins currently.

diff should not go over 100-110.

we have another 24h deal.

its not only middlecoin... we see at the normal pools an increase in hashrate as well. we might close them down on diff change for newly initiated workers. if possible. to save diff.

451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 11:25:39 PM
dont worry. we stay.

452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:49:10 PM
You could rent 1 or more rigs at betarigs.com to reach the block sooner without making the diff skyhigh.

wont help against 22ghash.
453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:38:04 PM
they will be here again... its a very profitable coin at that low diff.

if everyone pointed their miners.. diff would go up.

becoming not profitable to middlecoin.

so they stay off
454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:20:11 PM
imho there are no deals with multipools.

they want the fees and they don't care about anything else.

look at all the fishermen: they are killing whales for a very good reason. Cheesy

thats not completely true... you can make deals with them.

hashcows ie was very cooperative.. they understand the deal with this coin.. and dropped off completely

middlecoin is the only one that is worrysome... but also the one with the largest hashrate.

real businessmen over there... pay up etc.

or fishermen...

middlecoin asked me too much per block to stay off completely... rather i would do a fork then
455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:16:24 PM
30 days is far too late.

kgw needs to be here sooner rather than later...otherwise you know the saying:  the operation was successful, but the patient is dead.

getting the coin listed without kgw was a mistake.

true. i though we could make deals with middlecoin.

30 days is superworst scenario.

coin goes up in value, middlecoin start pointing 22ghash each time, we remain with <0.6 ghash

i am still looking for coop.

but if it turns out like this... i am going to fork it.
456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:12:19 PM
kgw = kimoto gravity well

very short version: diff adjusts everyblock in a graduate manner.

so no more low diff... and instant mines from middlecoin
457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
So they killing some coins with potential.
I hope LeafCoin will be enough strong to keep alive.

we just need to get to the kgw block.

then everything changes.


Whats the ETA on it

so many factors...

if you take all scenarios...

it varies from 4-30 days.

all depends on middlecoin
458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:06:35 PM
So they killing some coins with potential.
I hope LeafCoin will be enough strong to keep alive.

we just need to get to the kgw block.

then everything changes.
459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 10:00:29 PM
I am a newbie when it comes to the subject of coins.
Can someone explain me is it bad when pools like middlecoin mining LeafCoin?
I bought some of them when they got added on cryptsy - I read about LeafCoins before and I like their meaning.

its very simple.

a) they have 22ghash of miners
b) they monitor the difficulty
c) they calculate diff -> number of coins per block per second, they convert that to btc
d) so now they know what profitability is, for each coin at their current diffs
e) they sort the list, most profitable top
f) they push off the first of the list, thats what they are going to mine
g) then they redirect all 22ghash miners at it
h) they mine blocks in a near instant rate
i) they monitor while mining the diff.
j) if the diff becomes high, it takes more time to mine a block, becoming less profitable, so they leave
h) remaining miners will have to mine through high diff blocks, taking ages
k) also for them it comes less profitable... so they leave as well
l) potentially you can end up with a dead coin because of this

hope that explains it.
460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][LEAF] LEAFCOIN - IMPLEMENTED GRAVITY 2 - PLEASE UPDATE on: February 07, 2014, 09:49:53 PM
oke we might cause a fork... but i am gathering info now.

most important things is to get our pools and exchanges upgraded.

we are thinking about block number 19763 ( or sooner ).

The problem with determining the correct block number is as following:

a) we dont know on lowdiff block what mc does and how much hash it drops and what the resulting diff will be
b) we dont know how much ghash is being pointed in the high diff blocks ( 2 or 0.6 ghash makes a world of difference in terms of time )
c) if mc drops off completely because its not profitable enough ( or because a bit trolling of me )... we would reach it much faster
d) if mc decides to hash down block 21203.. we would be there in no time ( one of the options that was mentioned in their irc )
e) if mc does not upgrade and exchanges have.. they cannot spend their revenues

and more...

all very uncertain factors...

we cannot do future telling....

if middlecoin would do all blocks.. they would earn a whopping 730250000-116btc. Thats why they are on this. Very profitable for them
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