Where does that say you have to believe in alternate universes? Clue: it doesn't. Why do you define religion so narrowly?
I apologise, I did not want to divert the flow of the debate. Spirituality and moral values are not empirical phenomena. Nor are they adequately (or even correctly) described as axiomatic systems. They require a different, non-empirical, type of phenomena, to be "real". An alternate universe is a simple description of this non-empirical reality. The best explanation I know of is by Terry Pratchett in Hogfather: “All right," said Susan. "I'm not stupid. You're saying humans need... fantasies to make life bearable."
REALLY? AS IF IT WAS SOME KIND OF PINK PILL? NO. HUMANS NEED FANTASY TO BE HUMAN. TO BE THE PLACE WHERE THE FALLING ANGEL MEETS THE RISING APE.
"Tooth fairies? Hogfathers? Little—"
YES. AS PRACTICE. YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET - Death waved a hand - AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME... SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
"Yes, but people have got to believe that, or what's the point-"
MY POINT EXACTLY.”
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Anyone pushing this should get the scammer tag. If the forum allows this and people lose money they can go after mt gox which hosts it I would think.
lol no. No one is suing mtgox over this. |
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Now if we could just working instructions for OSX Lion.
Maybe you need to specify the LD_LIBRARY_PATH like caish5 did. I would but I have no idea what to set it to :/ Well where did you put the SDK files? Set it to that directory |
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Now if we could just working instructions for OSX Lion.
Maybe you need to specify the LD_LIBRARY_PATH like caish5 did. |
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would the Ellet be able to talk the Bitcoincard protocol. That's the real question.
I don't see how anything standard would be able to talk to that non-standard device. I guess we could go out of our way to add specific hardware to our device that would allow it to talk to bitcoincard, but I don't see any company would do that that didn't have a contract directly with the other company. Put in other words, do iPhones have built in receivers for ham radio? Technically, yes they do. A standard wifi chip is capable of transmitting & receiving in the nearby ham band (I beleive 70cm band IIRC) and use of these features require a ham callsign to be transmitted with the SSID. There are two channels available, and are traditionally called Zero and -1, since they are on that side of the unlicensed wifi band. Unlockling these capabilities, at a minumum requires rooting your phone, though. In the ham world, this is commonly called the 'Hinternet'. Google is your friend. I have found nothing on google about "iphone" and "hinternet"  Also, the FCC doesn't allow encryption. I know the standard bitcoin protocol doesn't use encryption, but does the ellet's use of the electrum protocol? Now I really want to get out my HAM equipment. |
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I for one appreciate you highlighting this fact since I was under the mistaken impression I didn't need to trust the operator of for example the blockchain ewallet on any level given the use of local encryption.
So thank you.
Maybe piuk should make a link to this page in more places. https://blockchain.info/wallet/verifierthis is precisely why some of us like offline solutions like Armory.
Armory is a completely different use case than web clients. I can't use armory from my phone to quickly send funds. |
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Fractal models exist, yet you will never find a perfect Mandelbrot in Nature.
And your point is... Being important for discovering some math models doesn't mean that they are necessary for ALL math models. I still don't see how the lack of a perfect triangle in the real world disproves Austrian economics.
Economics in general is just too broad of a social science. Besides, science isn't in the business of disproving anything, just falsifying hypotheses. Too broad for even a social science? lol. I was pretty sure that social sciences were broad anyways... So what is economics if not math, science, or even a social science? And why does this disprove Austrians? Keynesians are the ones who try to use hard equations, are they not? My area of social science is psychology and I have had to dismiss 99% of what I had been taught in favor of new theories. That's what scientists do. Personally, I don't believe in any particular general theory for any social science, but that doesn't meant there are not important predictive models backed by empirical data. In other words, Austrians and Keynesians are both wrong. Social science must be ecclectic to be useful. Well now I understand you a little more. I thought you were arguing against Austrians and for Keynesians and so none of your arguments made any sense to me. I don't think anyone here claimed that Austrian economists are absolutely right about everything. Most here seem to believe that the Austrian models are simply more accurate than the Keynesian's. This whole thing started because I said that a A theory requires empirical testing, otherwise it is a hypothesis. I still stand by that. Newtonian theory may be dismissed someday because it does not hold up at quantum nor relativistic levels.
But even after Newton's theory (which by your own admission HAS EMPIRICAL TESTING) is dismissed, it will still have been useful. It still gave us lots of models of our universe even though they may be off by a small amount. |
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Fractal models exist, yet you will never find a perfect Mandelbrot in Nature.
And your point is... Being important for discovering some math models doesn't mean that they are necessary for ALL math models. I still don't see how the lack of a perfect triangle in the real world disproves Austrian economics.
Economics in general is just too broad of a social science. Besides, science isn't in the business of disproving anything, just falsifying hypotheses. Too broad for even a social science? lol. I was pretty sure that social sciences were broad anyways... So what is economics if not math, science, or even a social science? And why does this disprove Austrians? Keynesians are the ones who try to use hard equations, are they not? |
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OK, so you claim math is a science. Fine. a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is a math theorem that is mathematically accurate to absolute precision. Now show me a perfect triangle anywhere in nature that can be measured and independently tested and verified to have perfectly straight lines and can be accurately measured at anytime to be be consistent of the theorem that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 exactly.
But I don't have to show you anything in nature for it to be true.... A triangle has such properties a priori. That's exactly why you should not always use empiricism as a way to acquire knowledge. "Measuring and testing independently at anytime" is the empiricist way of acquiring knowledge, which doesn't fit neither to Math, nor to any social science. The Pythagoras equation holds true for any triangle, even if you're not capable of finding an object with triangular form in nature. Are you trying to argue that the equation is not true because you've never seen a natural object of triangular shape? Well then he probably claims social science isn't science either  cbeast. What about fractals? They are in nature and in math. Do they disprove whatever it is you are trying to argue? Yes I believe that social science are just as empirical as chemistry. I type too slow. They prove that empirical measurements are important for discovering math models. Being important for discovering some math models doesn't mean that they are necessary for ALL math models. I still don't see how the lack of a perfect triangle in the real world disproves Austrian economics. |
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OK, so you claim math is a science. Fine. a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is a math theorem that is mathematically accurate to absolute precision. Now show me a perfect triangle anywhere in nature that can be measured and independently tested and verified to have perfectly straight lines and can be accurately measured at anytime to be be consistent of the theorem that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 exactly.
But I don't have to show you anything in nature for it to be true.... A triangle has such properties a priori. That's exactly why you should not always use empiricism as a way to acquire knowledge. "Measuring and testing independently at anytime" is the empiricist way of acquiring knowledge, which doesn't fit neither to Math, nor to any social science. The Pythagoras equation holds true for any triangle, even if you're not capable of finding an object with triangular form in nature. Are you trying to argue that the equation is not true because you've never seen a natural object of triangular shape? Well then he probably claims social science isn't science either cbeast. What about fractals? They are in nature and in math. Do they disprove whatever it is you are trying to argue? |
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By the way, I've never created a Tor hidden service. Is is something simple? And by simple, I mean something that an average computer user could do, like, is there a wizard install and all? If you have to go though text files, most people would just give up.
If there's such a thing, it would be a good idea to start releasing a bitcoin+Tor* bundle that configures everything and launches your bitcoin already behind a hidden service.
* I say Tor but I guess it could be I2P too... whichever is easier.
No wizards. All you do is add 2 lines to your torrc and you have a hidden service. HiddenServiceDir /var/lib/tor/hidden_coin/
HiddenServicePort 8333 127.0.0.1:8333
Then you reload Tor, and 'cat /var/lib/tor/hidden_coin/hostname' To get bitcoin to use this, just add a couple lines to your bitcoin.conf proxy=127.0.0.1:9050
externalip=p2hwc26zdsrqxiix.onion
listen=1
discover=1
The .onion in this example is me, it will obviously be something different for you. Sounds like a great way to pay to have the government sniff you
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They can feel free to sniff my encrypted traffic. And if you are really paranoid, run https://www.torproject.org/projects/obfsproxy.html.en |
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Pretty sure I've still got months to go , although if I signed up when i first started watching Bitcoin, I think I'd nearly be there. Just click "Profile" and you can be sure. Your registration date is listed right there. |
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Math is not science. Math is a descriptive language just like this language. There are no more perfectly straight lines real world than there are invisible pink unicorns. They only exist in the language of our imaginations. This is about philosophy. You can learn more about it by searching the term epistemology.
Mathematics is a science. It's not (only) a descriptive language. Math allows us to obtain true knowledge, not only talk about it. Ex: If two items of the same nature are put together with another two items of the same nature, you'll have four items of that nature (2+2=4). That's not a product of "imaginations", it's a true fact. I threw you a bone. OK, so you claim math is a science. Fine. a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is a math theorem that is mathematically accurate to absolute precision. Now show me a perfect triangle anywhere in nature that can be measured and independently tested and verified to have perfectly straight lines and can be accurately measured at anytime to be be consistent of the theorem that a^2 + b^2 = c^2 exactly. lol wtf. "Math is not science." This is not the direction I thought that this debate would go... And I don't understand how it makes either side's point. |
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You didn't learn about austrian economics in school? We didn't spend a ton of time on it, but econ was a required high school course for me.
Jesus Christ! They teach Austrian economics in school! Where? Who can I report these bastards too? Bet your school schedule looked like this.... 9-10 Austrian Economics 10-11 Intelligent Design 11-12 Chastity-Based Education 12-1 Gun Safety 1-2 Civil War Revisionism 2-5 Opening Day of Hunting Season -> kids have afternoons off to kill game lol no. It simply had text books that mention more than one theory. The exact opposite of what you are saying. |
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lol, how is people simply bartering with whatever they see fit pseudoscience? Keynesianism is pseudoscience.
austrian economics is aging as well though, the old paradigms must go. We need appropriate money for the information age. Bitcoin with P2P credit systems like Ripple (to provide ad-hoc liquidity) or a similar dualistic approach will be the future.
Maybe keynesianism is pseudoscience too. I would consider this psuedoscience, however: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_School#MethodologyFixed rate currencies, barter systems, thats all cool with me. And again, I am not well versed in economics. I am not necessarily talking about you, but my guess would be that many bitcoiners go through a series of steps something like this: 1. discover bitcoin 2. like the idea that it has a fixed supply 3. decide that bitcoin is awesome, countercultural, and the answer to many real world problems 4. discover austrian economics because somebody on a forum mentions that austrians like fixed money supplies too 5. fail to read much more on austrian economics 6. decide that austrian economics are awesome, countercultural, and the answer to many real world problems. You didn't learn about austrian economics in school? We didn't spend a ton of time on it, but econ was a required high school course for me. |
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If Bitcoin becomes controlled by the evil Banksters
how?  until they convince Bitcoin users to turn the power of Bitcoin against the evil empire
how? Obviously they wouldn't gain complete control, but they could give large holders an offer they cannot refuse and then buy all the ASIC factories and strategic patents. They will then order an army of clones to restore order to the Empire and pwn the Bitcoin Network for years. What they don't know is that Satoshi had two children that will be the downfall of Darth Bitcoin. Go ahead, ask me another silly question. So Satoshi is Vader? |
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How can it " further subjugate the poor" to then " bring balance to the economy"? If Bitcoin becomes controlled by the evil Banksters, then for awhile the rebel forces will be on the defensive until they convince Bitcoin users to turn the power of Bitcoin against the evil empire. Bitcoin is itself neither good nor evil, but the design does favor the good side if the good side is vigilant. So what are you smoking? I want some  |
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Just jailbroke my iPod 4G and it keeps rejecting my password, I even copy-pasted so I *KNOW* it was correct.
I have suspicions that it is because the camera on the iPod sucks and is mis-reading the QR code, but that is just a guess.
What can I do?
I don't understand what you could have copy-pasted. You open the app, click "Pair Device" and then scan a QR code. Theres no pasting to do. QR codes have an incredible amount of redundancy in them and I would be very surprised if your camera was mis-reading it. |
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Well I started lurking in the forums about a year ago. In 8 days, it will be a year since I built my mining rig. I didn't actually sign up for an account until August though.
I did this same timeline (at least for the months). Total Time Spent Online: 9 days, 20 hours and 26 minutes. I keep getting sucked in further... exciting times!  Total time logged in: 16 days, 11 hours and 0 minutes. |
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