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441  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: August 25, 2017, 09:28:33 AM
I will do trading.Because trading is more safe investment than gambling.Gambling just depends on luck.But if you are well known of trading and have a good strategy you can make profit.And I saw many people became rich by trading, but didn't found many one who rich for gambling.So,I prefer trading.

Investment is risky but gambling is riskier and you had the right choice of trading. Every gambler knows how to recover their loss by gambling again. But if you know how to trade and you decided to do it so for sure you will be at the right place to make decent profit. Trading is a good way to reach your dream of becoming a rich one.
half true. some investments are risky, but there are a wide variety when it comes to investments; take mutual funds for example. with diversified holdings that are constantly managed, you can generally expect your investment to appreciate at a few percent annually. government bonds are similar; for no risk, you can see a small profit over a length of time. neither of these even compares to gambling, where a risk of total loss (of whatever you play) inherently exists no matter what. personally, I think trading is akin to gambling, except you're actually able to minimize risks involved. however, you can't escape the possibility of markets fluctuating against your favor.
442  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The newly found block has size larger than 1MB? on: August 25, 2017, 09:17:59 AM
if so, why do we need segwitX2?

We clearly don't need it and BitcoinCash already proves it and with Bitcoin Core not supporting it, I doubt anyone will be using it, but hopefully whoever signed the New york agreement changes his mind, we don't want chaos.
This kind of comment makes me think that maybe Bitcoin Cash/big blockers are right.
Bitcoin is almost unusable for a large percentage of the world now as the fees are so incredibly high. I wouldn't use a credit card with fees as high as bitcoin.

But we don't need to solve that problem, because Segwit slightly increases the number of transactions that can be processed?
When the average fee is about 10 satoshis per byte, the problem is solved. The median transaction with the recommended fee costs about $3.50 now, I'd like to see that at about 10c.
fees amounted to mere pennies a year ago, I was pretty surprised when I saw fees rose to this extent.
I haven't really kept up with the bch / segwit news, but I'm starting to get the gist of it.

Woot! But BTC.com and ViaBTC still mine blocks under 1MB.
They have to set the maximum weight to 4 MB, otherwise this won't work which is why it's already less effective than it should be. Most miners are lazy / slow / incompetent or malicious. Take a look at the nice blocks that Antpool is mining: https://www.blocktrail.com/BTC/pool/antpool.
so in a perfect world, if the miners got off their lazy asses and set to 4mb blocks, I'm assuming it goes
bigger blocks > more tx processed per block > eventually no unconfirmed transactions > back to lower fees
am I understanding this correctly so far?
443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: regret by not believing in BITCOIN? on: August 25, 2017, 09:09:43 AM
No late, Bitcoin is still hot for you high profits. You can still invest in btc or other altcoin, which is not too late
profits are not a guarantee. the price could very well crash following this price spike we've been seeing. not that I hope that's what'll happen, but entirely possible. but yes, I agree it's never too late to invest.

who among you here heard bitcoin back in 2009 and 2010? I was one of the people who is very skeptical about it and I really regret it. Sad I missed the best opportunity for a lifetime.
At that time, bitcoin is only a reward from faucets. I think they give 1 btc per click and if you are the one who believein bitcoin at that time may be you are now a millionare because you have a percentage in the total bitcoin available now, unfortunately, I also dont believe to it so I have regrets =(
right there with you; I didn't really believe magic internet money would ever become something of actual importance when I first heard of it so I let it pass. this was way back when cpu mining was starting to phase out; imagine where I could be now Roll Eyes
444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Have we underestimated Bitcoin? on: August 25, 2017, 09:05:43 AM
Many people still underestimate the potential of Bitcoin until now even though its price is growing, and we can't do anything about that, let them hate until they want because that's the only thing that they can do best. Bitcoin will go wherever it wants to go and for me the price of it will upward trend more in the future.
I don't think it's really 'hating' on bitcoin; I think it's just hard for people to place their faith in a monetary system that they do not fully understand. it also doesn't help that for those who do understand bitcoin, they understand that the path is paved by major miners that could potentially cause hard forks and attack the network if they chose to. I was sort of the same; I couldn't really place faith in 'magic internet money' when I first heard of it.
445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So Bitcoin is better than Gold? on: August 25, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
Honestly we have to admit that for now bitcoin is better than gold, we can compare profit level if bitcoin investment, only in 3 months can get profit up to 30% while gold not more than 3%.
better is a loose term in this comparison. gold has a long established history of holding its value (for the most part; gold isn't without its price fluctuations), but bitcoin has a history of being volatile. this can immensely benefit investors as we see now, but the reverse is true; just look at what happened after mtgox.
446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happens if BTC gets regulated? on: August 25, 2017, 02:18:33 AM
How should governments be able to regulate bitcoin? It is a decentralized currency. But governments surely are planning their own cryptocurrencies and also financial institutes.
there's a lot the governments of the world are capable of that we don't know about. i think i remember reading something about some of the 3 letter agencies being able to geolocate TOR exit nodes and physical server locations based off of calculating exact response times from various points, and i think this was around 1 1/2 years ago maybe? no telling what they're capable of without being involved.

if the goverment make rules about the use bitcoin then public will know about bitcoin, of course if many public know maybe the price bitcoin will be grow high, because more people need then price more higher.
the opposite effect is possible; bitcoin was meant to be a decentralized currency, and regulation does imply centralization (to an extent). this may turn off many users from bitcoin, or just cause the price to tank. that being said, im no expert in economics or the effects of outside influences on the market.
447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: August 25, 2017, 12:53:48 AM
Not everyone knows the fact there is a house edge, only those that read about it or those that make the math, for all the rest they just think they got unlucky when they lose in the casino and most of the time they are not going to understand that the house has an advantage.

Everyone knows it but they dont want to know about it further. All they ever want to know is how to get money, they keep playing without knowing that they are going to lose in the long term. One thing for sure is that the only way to be profitable in the long term is through EV+ betting
false, you can definitely profit from -EV gambling, its just not likely. +EV or not, its still possible to lose as long as there's a chance of losing. it is only statistically more likely that you would win out (profit) over the long run. this is never a guarantee.

No. Gambling can make a profit in the long run only to their owner. If you are a player, you need to consider this only as entertainment, and not a permanent or temporary form of earnings.
not necessarily. hosting poker tables allows both the player a chance to profit and benefits the house as they take a rake on the pot as their fee. for professional poker players, this is both a form of entertainment (if they choose to see it this way, some may not as it is purely a monetary pursuit for them) and a source of semi - reliable income. as long as they are competent to win over the others at the table, they can definitely consider it a 'permanent,' or long term source of income.
448  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling bot - need advice - [First post bear with me] on: August 24, 2017, 02:48:03 PM
do you have other tips / recommendations for the long run?
Yes, stay away from ANYTHING that indicates automated betting because gambling websites are programmed to make you lose.
Manual betting is what might get you short-term gains but using a bot is a GUARANTEE that you will lose.

Seuntjies DiceBot, as mentioned in the website, is legit and works if you want to try gambling methods like martingale, or even program your own logic. However as I said you should stay away, unless you want to lose money.
autobetting with martingale or whatever is still going to (probably) get you a short term profit, just very slowly. its not necessarily a guarantee it will fail either, but statistics says that it is extremely possible to lose over many rolls, many depending on whatever multiplier / win percentage that the fool chooses to use. honestly though, if you're looking for a decent chance at profit, just manually bet on a game you like for a few.
449  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Worst mistake in gambling on: August 24, 2017, 02:39:17 PM
Worst mistake in gambling? Maybe the time that I bet all my money inside my pocket because I am thinking that maybe that time I am the one that will win, unfortunately I am wrong and I lose all I have in that single game.  Embarrassed Very disappointed to myself.
That's why we can not put up a bet with all the money we have, it's too risky, there's no guarantee we'll take back our losses. We have to think about playing safe, and leaving some of our money is one Of so many way to play it safe.
there's no such thing as 'playing it safe.' there is always a risk involved in every roll you participate in, nothing changes that. its also never smart to bet everything in one roll; why give it all for one chance?

The worst mistake in gambling is,
When we are not able to control the game being run.
And when we menyiakan profit that has been in the can,
until finally run out of all profits and funds that have been in deposit

We really can't control the game alone and this is the mistake that every gambler experience. When we think that we are able to beat the house but this is just leading us to frustration because we do really can't beat the house alone. We have to depend on our skills and luck alone but not all the time skills and luck isn't enough.
I also agree with you on this that the worst mistake in gambling is simply being over confident. Once you have bet your money, then you should opt for playing on the safer side as a next step. Never think about winning against the casinos all alone.

It is not possible to do so just by depending on your luck and skills. Gamblers need to be more conscious about the environment in which they are playing and stay calm as much as they can.

Being too overconfident will lead you to fall down. Because you think that you are too good enough but it's the way to make yourself pull the trigger down. Don't always commit the same mistakes as it is going to lead you frustrated and that can make yourself think that you are not that good.
Overconfident is one of the reasons why do gambler fall out on being a loser in the end of the day. Usually when we do experience a winning bet and our mind and emotion do already changed up and believing that we can go further and its sounds very easy to achieve such goal. This is somehow a boost up on emotions on being confident and bam, you lose on the next bet and frustrations would really comes next.
i never saw why or how people could actually be confident when gambling; the odds are right there in front of you, and you should be more than aware that the outcome is, more or less, going to be random. how you feel or what you think the outcome will or might be will never have any effect  on the end result, period. how you go from the cold, hard mathematical odds in front of you to believing you're going to win no matter what the circumstance is beyond me.
450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin just an asset ? on: August 23, 2017, 12:02:15 PM
For me also the status of bitcoin as a currency is controversial. How long you wait in-store transaction? And if you need to buy item in multiple shops then your shopping may take several days. How to do small purchases at such a price for the transaction?
that's assuming the current status of bitcoin (lots of queued transactions, high fees) persists. bitcoin is a experiment above all else imo, and we're just running into a big wall at the moment. if the kinks get worked out and we go back to 10 minute, low fee confirmations, we might start seeing some widespread adoption, even in small shopping outlets.

Yes. It's really an asset but still it can also be used as a currency. Many people are starting to use it as tool for paying goods, services and other things that they buy online. More and more companies are starting to accept bitcoin so it can really  be treated as money.
If call Bitcoin is an asset, I think it like stock than asset as Gold or Real Estate, because the volatility of Bitcoin very strong and make us surprise any time. Interesting point of Bitcoin is the price fluctuations and it not reasonable if call is an asset.
a highly liquidatable one at that, which isn't easy to find. I can turn my bitcoin into fiat at a moment's notice if I wanted to; something you can't really do with gold or silver.
451  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Fun seeking gamblers vs profit seeking gamblers on: August 23, 2017, 10:53:28 AM
Before I'm a profit seeking gambler but right now I intend to forget my goal with gambling. I just want to gamble for fun.
And when I win, then that will be great and if I lose, I had enough fun.
I don't want to hurt myself anymore, I just paid for the fun I got with gambling.
Fun seeking gambler or profit seeking is still a gambling that must to control the emotions in playing. Most is profit seeking gamblers but somehow turns out to be lose in playing.
Many people say we should gamble just for fun rather than for profit, because if we gamble for profit we will only end in a loss. But if without emotional control and self-control, both will end in the same, that is ending with a loss.
playing for profit does not necessitate a loss. neither does playing for fun equate to winning. sure, you might have fun because you're winning, but your emotions do not determine the outcome. this isn't a fantasy world. in addition, no amount of self control will ever change the outcome of a roll, I don't know where your getting these ideas.
452  Other / Meta / Re: The account [frank123m] (hijacked). on: August 23, 2017, 10:23:57 AM
Verified.

Have you sent it to the admins since they are the only ones who can recover those accounts that is either theymos or Cyrus?

Yes.
I sent to theymos on: August 01, 2017, 08:22:47 PM

As of now, I haven’t received a response.

Base on the past cases like this, it can take a week or two or even a month. Once you done the necessary things, all you need to do is wait since they have a lot of things that requires much of their attention.

I see. thanks a lot.

I still get no reply from admin. I don't know why it take so long. Did I miss anything?

nope. it just take a long time. a very long time.
453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: regret by not believing in BITCOIN? on: August 23, 2017, 08:53:21 AM
I heard about Bitcoin only last year, but I'm sorry that I did not hear it before. Although it seems to me, if I had heard about it before, I would not have given it any importance.
I didn't really give it a chance when I first heard about it years ago either. this was around the time gpu mining was just starting to become a thing. at the time, it just seemed like a fun project / experiment that would pass on a year's time.

Like I'm very sorry ever since I vacuum to concentrate on my real job. Now bitcoin becomes very high and quite regret not inves from the first.

everybody regrets it after seeing the potential they missed out on, that's no reason to give up though. as far as I'm concerned there's still untapped potential we could benefit from.
454  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Giving up gambling is not easy on: August 23, 2017, 07:48:43 AM
It is not just gambling but everything of which someone is addicted, is not easy to give up. You are the person who can help you at first, you need to make yourself assure that what were you doing till now was wrong and is bad in all perspectives then seek external help. It needs strong will and clear vision driven by inner will and you can get rid of gambling addiction over the time.

Sometime it is not easy to change yourself. You also need some support to empower yourself to overcome all sort of difficulties. But of course, the first and most important is that you must take the first step and willing to put in effort to change, then the other support will be useful to help you to change.
Once a person has made his mind to accomplish something, he becomes unstoppable then. Gambling addicts face a lot of difficulties when it comes down to quitting. Even they are aware of their present situation and want to get out of it most of them still keep on gambling.

Specially if the person has got no other source of earning then gambling is the only way for them to make a living. It is sad but true that many people have not got qualifications to get a proper job with which they can earn money and thus they join a casino. For them getting addicted is natural and its not possible to stop them. Even if they do find a job later on its tough for them to get rid of old habits.
that's pretty condescending of you to automatically assume that people without white collar job qualifications turn to gambling naturally. opportunities only come to those who seek it, and there's almost always a way out. the only exception I can see is in the lowest of 3rd world areas of the world where there is actually zero possibility of movement on the social ladder, but even in that sort of environment, id find it hard to believe casinos even have business existing there. casinos exist to take money from those who have it. it has zero reason to even exist in an area with little to no income.
455  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin supersedes Cash in the near future? on: August 23, 2017, 07:18:43 AM
It is true that btc maybe will dominate the money market in the future, but the question "will btc replace cash in the future?" Is a question that many people have asked many times and the answer is always Is "impossible". Although btc develops and has the high price then it will still not be able to replace cash because using  btc in small transactions daily is really difficult, in addition to the inconvenience of trading , what is more important than is the fee we must pay  per transaction is too high.
as far as fees are concerned, it wasn't always like this, and won't always be like this. even just 2 years ago we were looking at fees that equated to pennies.

I don't think that Bitcoin can supersedes cash in the near future. Bitcoin has the potential to be the Universal Currency but it is still just a digital currency. There will be instances that Digital Payment is not accepted or not available therefore, we will still be needing cash or money for the transactions.
on the grand scheme of things, fiat is still relatively new. throughout human history, we've used various forms of currency ranging from salt, precious metals and gems, and even cattle before representative money in the form of paper or imprinted coins came about. we're just now entering the age of digital currency, and it may not be bitcoin, but cryptocurrency in general may be the next legal tender.
456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Cash is better than Bitcoin. on: August 23, 2017, 06:37:47 AM
For me the only fiat advantage is being printed and be accepted worldwide in the general, besides those it has nothing better then crypto besides stability and limitations, something at crypto doest has. Crypto has proven its potencial already with bitcoin as well several others coins, some people becamed rich because invested at crypto wich has growed a lot on the last years, offering opportunities to any investment to grow.

that's not entirely true, fiat can be just as volatile as bitcoin. look at how the British pound tanked after the brexit vote. also, several people becoming rich off bitcoin doesn't prove its potential on its own, personally I think bitcoin is the start of the next step in how currency evolves (bartering, commodities, fiat, and in the future, cryptocurrency).
457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: should government involvement be there ? on: August 22, 2017, 09:25:20 AM
I think government involvement will better cryptocurrencies because it will be legitimize it. Many people will beleive in and invest in crypto which will univerlize it all over the world
rather than becoming legitimized (whatever you mean by that), I'm more prone to thinking it'll be regulated, especially with the negative stigma attached to bitcoin among the uneducated masses (silk road, hacking ransoms, cybercrime).

I hope there is no government interference here. Because there will be new rules that we must run in every transaction or way of working in this forum.

I am hoping too not government will not involve in bitcoin since we know that when it comes to money government really try their best to have a share out from the money people earn. Satoshi made bitcoin for a different and I hope it will stay that way.
I have to agree; I think the original vision of bitcoin was to remain separate from a large single entity capable of centralization and regulation.
458  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Yobit INVESTBOX on: August 21, 2017, 11:59:59 AM
I play the minimum bet, actually it's allowed, so 1 sat for BTC and ETH in my case, just that.

I don't understand why you keep asking where do they find the money to pay...

They are not paying, it's the plan creator that offers money to invest in the box. It's a complitely detached service. I can do that if I want, put some coins in it and give interest to investors.



but why / what is the gain to open an investbox?? i mean what are the benefits if i open an plan ??
supposedly, the interest payments. I say supposedly because it's rather fishy, them giving this high of an interest rate without real justification where the funds are coming from. it's advertised pretty much as a handout.

I play the minimum bet, actually it's allowed, so 1 sat for BTC and ETH in my case, just that.

I don't understand why you keep asking where do they find the money to pay...

They are not paying, it's the plan creator that offers money to invest in the box. It's a complitely detached service. I can do that if I want, put some coins in it and give interest to investors.




as said above, anything like this that promises what is essentially a handout raises questions. as it stands, it seems they have nothing to gain from this; they're handing out money, and that's not how a business makes money. it reeks of 'exit scam' (not saying it is, just how it might be perceived).
459  Other / Meta / Re: Scammers are not banned on: August 21, 2017, 10:09:09 AM
The trust system seems to be fundamentally broken and doesn't help stop the scammers at all.
Need a reputation system on top of this. Like 2000 Bitcointalk members -1 a user (scammer)'s reputation => account automatically locked, must contact admins to unfreeze

Crush the scammers hard - don't give them their breeding ground to be happy (as now).

Right now they laugh. Make them shiver.



that's a terrible idea. people would abuse the shit out of that to get the accounts of people they don't like locked.
460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are bitcoin cash machines becoming more popular? on: August 21, 2017, 07:58:10 AM
I am still wondering what advantage it brings to people to use an atm.
I mean, if I want to buy or sell my coins, I can do that online from at home.
Or online from everywhere with my smartphone.
And these transactions have much lower fees than what you pay at an atm.
So what brings people to use such a machine?
convenience. unlike at an exchange, you don't need all this identity verification, 2fa, valid bank account, wait period for ach withdrawal, etc. you just walk up to one, send bitcoin or insert cash (big selling point of bitcoin atm's) and get what you need. the fee might not be justifiable for some people such as yourself, but other people think differently. personally, I wouldn't use one either.
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