Well the claim isn't against the FBI. People seem to think the coins belong to the FBI. Eventually the coins or the proceeds from when the coins are sold will become the property of the US Treasury. However they aren't even the property of the US treasury yet.
After the trial is over (yes technically they can do it before but they won't for a lot of reasons) the DOJ (<- notice not FBI) will file for civil forfeiture. It will be successful and then the DOJ will auction off the fofeited property and transfer the proceeds to the US Treasury. They do this for billions of dollars in forfeited property every year so it isn't anything unprecedented, although this is probably the first case involving Bitcoins.
Part of that process will be a public claim period. You have the ability to file a claim (under penalty of perjury) that the assets confiscated are owned partly by you, and that they were not the proceeds of a criminal enterprise.
If you succeed the court would return the wrongly frozen assets back to you. I don't think I have to point out how much of an uphill battle that will be and how much the three letter agencies will turn over every aspect of your life to see if there is fire where there is smoke but it is your right as part of due diligence. However I should warn you to get some realistic expectations. The timeline is measured in years (sometimes decades). I had funds frozen as part of legal action against Full Tilt Poker, that was over two and a half years ago, AFAIK to date not a single penny of player funds have been returned.
it might be worth it. imagine getting it in a decade and bitcoins are worth 100,000 each  |
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stupid ass mother fucker Your tongue betrays you. Highborn don't use language like that. |
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Do you know the Chinese fold laundry differently to most Westerners.
did you know the chinese invented the fork but they are still using chopsticks  |
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no on the main screen it had £17.44 in green and my amount was 0.035 then the next screen it offered me £15.50 i just took it was desperate to finally see some hard currency now i know it works i wont be so desperate anymore weekend isnt a good time for selling ! that said , can you explain why it went down to £15.5?
ooh someone just made you a low ball offer. just reject it and politely explain that your price is firm. |
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Lots of candidates out there for that one. doesnt seem like there is a lot of interest in this thread though so far. |
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Anarchy would never ever ever work. Human nature is not anarchical but hierarchical.
Human nature is self destructive. when ever people make categorical claims about human nature, they are almost always talking about themselves. |
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one more thing im making my first sale for £17 but localbitcoins says ill only get £15.50 do they charge a flat rate per trasaction or a percentage? as £1.50 is kinda high on £17
probably just exchange rate discrepancies. as the seller you set the terms of the sale. just go into how ever you are calculating your price and multiply it by 1.0967. so it will say something like mtgoxusd change it to mtgoxusd*1.0967 |
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yea but half the people on here are. what sets myrkul apart in my mind is his fortitude. there is no way i could go at it with FirstAssent with his patience and for the lengths of time that he does. Hes like gandalf fighting the balrog. |
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ok its in sorry for being a noob but then i guess it is the noob section makes sence having this section otherwise the main section will be flooded by panic posts lol
bitcoin has a learning curve no doubt |
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Educating people and keep them from getting scammed.
My friend gave me a few bitcoins in 2011. What should I do to avoid getting scammed? Please advise. step 1) put on paper wallet step 2) just kidding there's no step 2 |
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localbitcoins takes 3 confirmations. thats going to approximate 30minutes not 10minutes.
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i went to bed while it was crashing and had a dream that i woke up and the price was 50 dollars.
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all six of one and half a dozen of the other also i just cant let this slide. what you are saying here is that a situation where you have no choice of who to pay and the person you pay says "either pay us Y amount of money or else we will hurt you" is exactly the same situation as being able to chose to pay any one of a thousand agencies where the agency you chose says "either pay us amount Y or else someone other than us may hurt you." Is what i quoted up there is you claiming that these are functionally identical situations? i just want to be clear on that point. |
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You may call it various vile names, but to me, it is all six of one and half a dozen of the other (as I said earlier). Now, as I can see, you successfully got rid of that mental paradox that had been chasing you. So why would you, in a free society, need to purchase defense in the first place?
For protection against people with extraordinarily low time preference. Didn't quite get what you mean here, but aren't these wicked people the same bad guys that the state should protect us, good boys, from? The state cant protect you from "bad guys" because "bad guys" just infiltrate the state and use it as a force multiplier. But no im not talking about run of the mill "bad guys". most bad guys are self interested and care about the future. in a free society you wouldnt need to purchase protection from them because they can be controlled through threats of social ostracism. who you need physical protection from are people who are both "bad guys" but also live only in the moment and dont care at all about the future. these people can not be controlled through threats of ostracism. these people have to be physically subdued while they are in the process of rampaging. fortunately this is a relatively small cross section so protecting yourself from such a small group of people would be relatively inexpensive, also you could just chose to carry a firearm instead of buying protection. |
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Often you don't have choice at all. At other times you have to choose between two or even more evils. And only sometimes you are free to refuse from making your choice altogether... In short, stop trolling
with the state you have no choice, you either pay the state or you get locked in a rape dungeon to be sexually tortured for years. in a free society you can chose to purchase defense from anyone in the world who is providing that service. saying these are the same thing, is like saying the ADT home security is just another mafia protection racket. You may call it various vile names, but to me, it is all six of one and half a dozen of the other (as I said earlier). Now, as I can see, you successfully got rid of that mental paradox that had been chasing you. So why would you, in a free society, need to purchase defense in the first place? So if its all "all six of one and half a dozen of the other" than would you agree with the statement that ADT home security is just a particular brand of mafia protection rack For protection against people with dangerously high time preference. |
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