First he said that the payment was being hold, and then he said his account was suspended, and wasn't able to do a refund.
Not able to refund ? That the most dumb word I think. Paypal usually only limit the acc and they can't send or withdraw but still can refund payment. To solve the problem, user must provide proof of identity and address to paypal. I wonder why you trust newbie and he sell that btc very low Yeah I know, know allot when it comes with eBay and PayPal. Right away I figured he was as scammer. As for the Newbie part, not every noob is a scammer. luckily, I paid via Paypal, so Ill be protected. Payment To: michael Dzedzej (The recipient of this payment is Unverified) Seller's ID: mdzedzej Seller's Email: mfrasier795@yahoo.com The guy scam.s in the hope that the buyer will not charge back or will let the time allowed to charge back elapses?? Usually Scammers try to buy BTC by paying with Paypal with the intend to charge back
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I think that Teymos answer is very reasonable :
"I don't judge whether advertised services are scams or not. If I did, I'd probably have to ban ads from every mining hardware company and every gambling site, as these are often accused of being scams and are clearly very risky. That's why there's a disclaimer below ads.
MakeBTC looks like a Ponzi scheme, but if it works exactly as advertised, then I wouldn't call it a scam. It's more like gambling. Some people will make money, more people will lose money, and the house always wins. No one is being tricked into participating: the exact rules are listed on the front page. Now, there's probably a high risk that MakeBTC will just run away with the money at some point, but users, not me, will need to decide whether the potential rewards are worth this risk."
That is pretty close to how I feel about makeBTC; I think that in a lot of jurisdictions it would be illegal to use the term investment as used on the website but if makeBTC doesn't run away with the money it is more or so a gambling website; makeBTC has been run as advertised so far and the owner hasn't run with any money
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MTGox, le site de change historique est mourant. Cela fait plusieurs semaines qu'il y avait des soucis pour transférer des Bitcoins de son porte-feuille MTGox vers un porte-feuille externe. La semaine dernière le problème c'est amplifié, au point que MTGox a décidé de suspendre toute transaction en Bitcoin sortant de leur site le Vendredi 7 février. Aujourd'hui MTGox a annoncé que le problème de transaction est dû au protocole Bitcoin lui-même et qu'ils en discutent avec la Bitcoin Fondation. Il est expressément écrit dans leur communiquer qu'ils maintiennent la suspension des transactions sortante en Bitcoin jusqu'à ce que la Bitcoin Fondation résolve le problème. Le souci étant que cela fait un moment que la Bitcoin Fondation est au courant du problème et qu'ils l'ont déjà résolu. MTGox utilise un système de porte-feuille qui leur est propre et qui possède toujours la faille. En gros, MTGox est en train de demander à la Bitcoin Fondation de se pencher, gratuitement, sur leur système de porte-feuille et de résoudre le problème. Si vous avez de l'argent ou des Bitcoin sur MTGox, bonne chance pour les retirer. Il y a la possiblité de vendre vos goxBTC contre des vrais BTC ici : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.200Apparemment un des derniers échanges s'est fait à 15goxBTC pour 12BTC Si j'avais presque tous mes BTC bloqués sur Mtgox j'en vendrai certainement une bonne partie pour diminuer mon risque
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how many btc has been sold on btc-e at 100$? that's crazy...
It is quite crazy! It happens once in a while on every market; I would guess that at least a few hundreds were sold at less than 200$
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The video is so funny ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) If people understood more how the financial system work, they would fight it more and ask for real money in exchange of their work and as a medium of exchange That beeing said, I sincerely hope that the 100BTC on mtgox isn't the only BTC you have, if you have some fiat you can buy back BTC at a discount; did you consider selling some of your mtgox BTC against real BTC? That is probably what I will do if I was in your situation https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.200 apparently 12goxBTC for 10BTC recently
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Why not use localbitcoins with a trusted buyer, breaking up your sell in 4-10 transactions?
20% less than market price is huge even if you bought the coins cheap or got them for free
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LTC? Ethereum?
Doomed from genesis.
And Bitcoin will turn very political [with China and Russia secretly hoarding it] later this year which will eventually be its downfall [in a few years].
The unfortunate and inherent problem with techies, which makes up 99.9% of this Forum, is that they understand very little about money and what it would take to build and distribute a successful global crypto-currency.
Your crypto logic is hence on the same linear fault as everyone else.
But don't worry, Wall Street will be here, as I predicted last year, within 1 to 2 quarters; to promptly relieve the computer guys from their acting jobs as bankers and monetary analysts.
And then the engineers will hopefully begin to understand what's really happening here and what a global currency is supposed to be.
Good luck to you and LTC, and Ethereum, etc....
Regards...
You need the techies, but you also need the marketing guys and the financiers, mtgox should have use more techies and more financiers.. Bitcoin will become huge when the dollar will crash and when the Yen, € and £ will also drop in value sharply; it shouldn't be too far away, 6months? One year? Maybe two years? Bitcoin also need to become user friendly and safe, having a tech giant getting involve in Bitcoin and a few big institutions creating easy wallets could obviously help a lot If a Hong Kong bank was to create an Alt coin backed by gold it could get a lot of traction but it doesn't mean Bitcoin will disappear
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Very good theories from the OP. I find it very difficult to believe that someone was so stupid that just accidentally set a huge sell order without price limit..
It definitely happens from time to time, you would think someone having 5000coins will never make the mistake but the truth it can happen, it is less likely than someone making a 1BTC mistake but it can happen in a sell off I don't think we will ever know for sure what happen but we cannot rule out the mistake, it is still the most probable explanation even if it seems weird
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I think it will go down to 250$-450$ (wild range I know) and when it bounces back for good, it will eventually reach new highs within a year
Let's be bold and try to predict accurately : it will not go down more than 375$ and it will bounces back before the end of 2014 at 3-4000$ a pop when the dollar will start crashing down
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Cela dit, si on augmente les prélevement retraite, ils pourront les utiliser pour payer la dette future ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Les retraites ne sont pas financés par les cotisations retraite donc les retraites représentent une dette supplémentaire de plus avec la dette publique et la dette sociale
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It is pretty funny how everyone is happy that the price is decreasing because it means they can get their hands on more bitcoins; these corrections allow a lot of people to stack BTC up, when will the next rise in price take place? This summer? Next winter?
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I am north of Stockholm (Arlanda Airport) and I can only do pick up. I still have the antminer, I sell at 800Kronas, you can always make a lower offer
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Bitcoin is easy you either own it or not (that is what Peter Schiff says about gold), todays price at 650$ can still seem expensive to some but it looks quite cheap to me; it could still go down which would allow a lot of believers to get their hands on cheaper coins, people who will hold them tight and build the community so BTC price mini crash may be a good news
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Level selling changes a little. Price ranges between 0.01 to 0.5 BTC per level. Minimal level to sell is 0.1. So the bonus won't be lower then 50% and bank will grow faster. I wish you all the best.
It is very good that at least half the deposit is used for bank but you could allow bonuses of less than 50% without taking more than 50% of a deposit to pay for the level sell, exemple : A sells for 70%, B deposit 1BTC and get 5/7 * 30% bonus, bank increases of 0.5 Next bank could arrive within a week Play responsibly guys, this is a pyramid..
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I thought you were giving hints when you answer "your whole number is incorrect" and "good try" but after trying to find a logic behind it I concluded that you weren't, good luck all!
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Wow I feel kind of bad for the guy who lost 7BTC, he most probably didn't understand what he was "invested" in; pyramids can be fun but they don't work, they all collapse if the owner of the website doesn't leave with the money
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I would wait to buy, I feel like they will keep dropping to like $500 and then will go back up
yes 500 or 550 is best price to buy and as things going I hope he touches this soon If it drops to 500, then thats a bad sign ![Undecided](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/undecided.gif) why its already once drop to 450 and again came back on 850 and not again going between 650 to 700 but hope its fight back on 800 BTC price did drop to ~400 in mid Dec, but the low of this round of correction/crash is ~620. BTC price did drop a lot lower than 600$ in December but we don't know how much it will drop this time because the crash may not have ended, if some bad news for Bitcoin arrive the price will drop to way less than 600$ but on the other hand it may bounce back to new highs I am planning on buying (a little) at today's price and I will keep on buying all the way down
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simple maths will tell you what to do ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2F4%2F4c%2FPyramid_scheme.svg%2F800px-Pyramid_scheme.svg.png&t=663&c=O_yGxcw86Y6OvQ) The numbers of makeBTC level number of people who made a depossit 1 19 2 34 3 45 4 56 5 61 6 67 7 74 8 77 9 84 10 92 11 103 12 108 13 131 14 144 15 180 16 ?? So you can see there are still people in world population to make it easely to level 200. My point stands ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Still will get uncontrollable ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) If you are talking long term yes it is uncontrollable, except if you change the rules along the way to keep it going And you have to admit it could still go for a while before it stops or slow down a lot. A lot of new money was deposited and a lot of old players sold their level so we are looking at new players that will keep their income invested for a few levels I won't advise anyone to play though because it would be like advising someone to play dice or roulette but it is definitely fun while it lasts and I except to get my money back within a few banks; play responsibly and have fun!
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I was promised cheap coins ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Where are they ? here you go...... $102 cheap enough? He must feel pretty good, time worth spent trying looking at the prices; how much did he buy?
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