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4441  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is bitcoin special? on: June 22, 2022, 05:07:42 AM
For one of the oldest and most popular altcoins (D), one of the most famous crypto exchanges requires as many as 60 confirmations
You should keep in mind that this value (although an indication of lack of security of altcoins) is not the most accurate. That's because the exchange has to come up with a number that serves multiple purposes:
- provides them with some security
- compete with other exchanges so that their users don't switch to the other place
- doesn't take longer than the trader would normally wait without complaining

I would also like to clarify that for certain altcoins without an immutable blockchain (basically any altcoin that has reversed blocks or can do it easily due to centralization) the minimum number of confirmation is infinity! meaning they are never 100% safe regardless of how many confirmations your tx has.
4442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Recent Solend story reminds us the value behind BTC, its true decentralization! on: June 22, 2022, 04:59:44 AM
There's a lot of misunderstandings in this thread. The story is about Solend — a Solana-based platform, not necessarily Solana itself. Just like how Uniswap and Aave are not Ethereum, but are Ethereum-based platforms.
You should have used a better example because Ethereum is just as bad as any of the other shitprojects if not worse. Lest we forget how they reversed a lot of ethereum blocks so that they could save their own ass when they lost a lot of money in a "bet" on DAO made in their own flawed protocol. They didn't even fix the flaws, they just reversed the blocks to get their money back!
4443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why can't bitcoin be based on something that has value? on: June 22, 2022, 04:50:02 AM
that's not the purpose of us dollar for people to sit around speculating on its relative value vs some other currency.
Then what is ForEx used for?
People are already speculating on all fiat currency values. The more volatile they are the more they will be speculated on.

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Well in the last 11 years, it's more stable than bitcoin's price. Alot more stable. Bitcoin has much wilder price fluctuations. That's not a good thing for a store of value.
It's about age and maturity. As I said, gold has existed for thousands of years and have been considered valuable for a long time but bitcoin is a toddler in comparison.

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fiat used to be backed by gold in the united states.
"Used to be".

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by the way you pose your question, you seem to be suggesting that fiat not being backed by anything is ok. that's right bitcoin is backed by absolutely nothing except peoples' belief that it has value. if one day they decided it didn't have any value anymore, bitcoin's price could plummet. and that would harm alot of people.
People's belief doesn't come blindly, it is based on the utility that medium of exchange provides them and its supply. If bitcoin, like any other form of money, stopped providing utilities that gives it value then it will lose that value and could even become worthless.

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Just as an example. Say an asteroid was going to hit the earth in a year. Or 5 years or whatever. What do you think would happen to the price of bitcoin? What do you think would happen to the price of gold? What do you think would happen to any type of cryptocurrency that was not backed up by a real asset that they could use without having to sell the cryptocurrency for fiat in order to use it?
It depends on the size, it could be an extinction level event in which case who cares about price of x and y because humanity will no longer exist Cheesy
4444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Problems with Bitcoins Mined in 2009 on: June 22, 2022, 03:31:49 AM
I have some bitcoin addresses mined in 2009 with problems.
And how did you come upon these addresses? Did you by any chance get them from a scam "brute force" project?

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Public Key is outdated, no satoshi-era updates to current protocols have been made.
Public keys are never outdated and there hasn't been any updates from the very first day that bitcoin was introduced which would affect the keys. In other words any key generated in 2009 is still valid today and can be used.
In any case you need private key to spend coins not public key.

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everything is still in 32 bit..
What do you mean by this? Private keys are 32 bytes but wallets don't show them as bits, they convert them to a human readable format using base58 encoding and call them WIFs.
4445  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Create a seed from a selection of words on: June 22, 2022, 03:25:01 AM
Keep in mind that security of revealed 24 words out of order is still not as high as security of a private key because you are revealing your entropy and 620,448,401,733,239,439,360,000 is 6e+23 whereas security of a bitcoin private key is 2128=3e+38.
4446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: BTC address generated in ETH-way (keccak) - spendable? on: June 21, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
keccak256 is having an output of 256 bits or 32 bytes hexadecimal, so wouldn't that make a difference of 10 bytes, if otherwise do correct me.
Keccak256 digest is 256 bit but the ethereum addresses are truncating it to get a smaller 20-byte hash discarding the remaining 12 bytes.

It wouldn't be possible with that kind of assumption and to use it on scriptpubkey, definitely nodes will reject such kind of transactions since they do not align on bitcoin protocol level.
If by "protocol" you mean the consensus rules, it does not even look at your outputs, they can contain arbitrary script that is not even valid. But if by protocol you mean the standard rule, it is rejected since we don't have the OP not because of the size since we have similar outputs that contain 256-bit data like P2WSH.
4447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: BTC address generated in ETH-way (keccak) - spendable? on: June 21, 2022, 10:52:01 AM
but I assume there is no way to create a transaction if it was not a op_hash160, right?
It doesn't have to be OP_HASH160 but it has to be an existing OP like OP_HASH256. Since we don't have OP_KECCAK then it is not possible to spend the output that uses a keccak hash of the public key under normal circumstances (ie. no collision!).

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Coincidence? Someone's mistake? Just a test?
It would be interesting to know if we may create addresses using "custom" hash methods.
Possibly a test using the same hash without having the corresponding pubkey.
4448  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lost coins vulnerable to theft in the future? on: June 21, 2022, 10:44:00 AM
also I think (fairly new thought) that HD keys that were reused could be soft-forked to require a Zero Knowledge proof of knowledge of the chain code and master even if the coin private key was public information. (and soft-fork made not be spendable with direct ECDSA.).
I wonder how something like this could work considering the fact that any information provided based on hashes that could reproduce the keys could be duplicated by the other parties that are trying to steal the same coins.

But I am not sure how P2PK worked. Has the public key changed every time for early wallets?
The same as any other output script but instead of using hash of public key you use the same public key. It could be reused or the wallet could produce a new pubkey for every new payment (which was the default).
4449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Iran to cut electricity to licenced Miners on: June 21, 2022, 06:01:17 AM
I was confused with this news. It says the country will cut power to all licensed miners but then it also continues saying that this action is to be implemented to cut off power to illegal mining operations. I don't know if this article is only badly written or the official directive of the country is also confusing.
It is badly merging two different statements.
1. Iran is always fighting illegal miners who are mostly stealing electricity to mine cryptocurrencies (with basically free electricity). The operation against them is always intensified during summer since the electricity consumption naturally grows a lot.
2. Power is supposedly going to be cut for undefined period to legit miners with licence like some other industries to pre-plan for the natural increase in electricity consumption.

"Due to international sanctions, Iran lacks the investment needed in power generation capacity and natural gas production to keep up with consumption.
That is nonsense. Iran has the biggest gas reserves in the world and is currently extracting the highest amount per day, that is more than we can use and most of it is being exported.

The problem is that manufacturing of new power plants hasn't been as fast as speed of consumption increase. For example the construction of the 2 new nuclear power plants would take another year to finish which is normal but still it can't keep up with the consumption. There are 2 more under construction that would take longer than that.

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For political reasons, the Iranian government spends over $60 billion annually in indirect subsidies to depreciate electricity prices"
That is partially nonsense. Energy in Iran has always been cheap because we have the biggest reserves in the world and extraction of it is easy and the quality is high (eg. the oil is light and doesn't need much effort to extract). Also due to exchange rate and the sudden drop of it 4-5 years ago the cost becomes a lot smaller when converted to dollars.
4450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why can't bitcoin be based on something that has value? on: June 21, 2022, 05:13:22 AM
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if i should emphasis on how Bitcoin is different from other currencies. My suggestion goes this way. The difference between bitcoin and other currencies is that Bitcoin a valuable asset that have different method of regulations and automatically base on its regulations because of it's decentralized kind of life, other currencies that's known and also popular to the society centralized currency which can be monitored and controlled by a specific sector. So the different is very clear from my perspective.
You are focusing on other aspects of bitcoin and you are right but the point was to focus on the "currency" aspect of bitcoin and as a medium of exchange it is the same as any other medium of exchange namely fiat.

Now lets say one day there comes a bitcoin 2. This bitcoin 2 is backed up by a real world asset.
The good thing about it is that if this asset is stable in price then bitcoin2 will not have wild price fluctuations and will be a better store of value than bitcoin1.
You are naive if you think any "asset" exist in the world that has a stable price! For example gold that people think is stable, is not stable at all. It's just that gold that existed for thousands of years is not not as volatile as bitcoin that existed only 13 years. Otherwise gold has gotten dumped hard and pumped hard. They also recently found a massive amount of gold that they are going to extract and enter circulation that could dump gold price in the following years to come!

Again you didn't answer my question, fiat is not backed by anything so why should bitcoin?
4451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: History is always on the side of innovation(bitcoin), not the side of skeptics on: June 21, 2022, 05:05:30 AM
The market is going through bear days, it's a bit bad, but this is not the end of Bitcoin, it's just the beginning of a revolution called Bitcoin.
It is not bad, it is an opportunity to buy bitcoin at a huge discount.
It is also not the beginning of the revolution, technically that was 2009 when bitcoin was introduced.

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An article I found says what I think is true about what's happening with Bitcoin and crypto.

Bill Gates and Warren Buffett, many skeptics are now dancing over the graves of crumbling crypto companies and claiming to be right.
This is a clear example of what I warned about years ago. People look at "crypto" aka shitcoins and then judge bitcoin based on those shitcoins.
A large majority of altcoins have been dying longer than the recent dump and a lot of people have been celebrating this purge but only a few like those who you named are associating that with bitcoin to try and discredit bitcoin just because altcoins are shitcoins!

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But they forgot one thing, technology markets always attract capital and boom, then restructure their markets.
That also attracts scammers. Lets use your example about dotcom bubble. The internet (aka the underlying technology that started all of it) wasn't bad or scam. It was an innovation that changed the world and it is widely used today. But a lot of garbage was made using that technology and people were scammed out of their money.

It is the same with bitcoin. Bitcoin itself is the innovation and the technology that started all this but a lot of scams are being created using that technology to rob people. When the scams are pumped and the altcoin market grows to be worth trillions that doesn't mean we are looking at a booming technology market! It means we are looking at a massive scam.
4452  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Why is bitcoin special? on: June 21, 2022, 04:38:38 AM
What is it about bitcoin that makes it so valuable? I see all of those other coins that have a lot of utility and practical use when compared to bitcoin,
What are those utilities, can you name some of them and have you even used any of these supposedly more utilities yourself ever before?

You see it is not enough to say the shitcoin provides a utility, that utility has to be needed and be used. For example I could create a shittoken and claim that if you buy it, the token would cure cancer. But that doesn't mean it does provide that utility!

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According to what I've learned, it has extremely slow transaction speeds and higher transaction fees than other coins.
Your sources were misleading. In fact bitcoin has the fastest and cheapest transactions in existence even compared to traditional payment systems including your bank.

What you have to first realize is that "confirmation" is a measure of irreversibility of a money transferred not just an arbitrary number. With that clarified you can easily see that bitcoin has the fastest transactions because on average each bitcoin block takes 10 minutes to be found and 1 confirmation is providing a huge amount of security.
Compared with traditional payment systems, they usually become irreversible after months! That is already millions of times slower than bitcoin.
Compared with altcoins since they don't have nearly the same security as bitcoin, specially shitcoins that have mutable blockchains like ETH and BCH, they are never secure and best case scenario is to have thousands of confirmation that would take days and you may still not be nearly as safe as having 1 confirmation on your bitcoin transaction.
4453  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Digital & Cryptocurrency are they same ? on: June 21, 2022, 04:27:01 AM
Those are terrible definitions if you ask me.
Basically digital currency is any currency that doesn't have a physical form, so it includes your online banking system, your debit/credit card, your PayPal, bitcoin, shitcoins and even tokens.
But a cryptocurrency is supposed to be a currency that relies mainly on cryptography and blockchain technology although some altcoins don't follow this definition exactly. Meaning a lot of them are not currencies or some of them don't even use a blockchain.
4454  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Lost coins vulnerable to theft in the future? on: June 21, 2022, 04:20:35 AM
Another factor that would affect the decision whether to lock the coins or not would be the total amount that would be affected by the vulnerability. It is not just P2PK outputs, it is all the reused addresses that have revealed their public key and still have a balance and all the new outputs that start using public keys again like P2TR outputs or any other output type that contains public key like P2MS. For example if it affects a quarter of bitcoin total supply (5-6 million BTC) then it is a serious issue to let them be "stolen".
4455  Economy / Economics / Re: Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe? on: June 20, 2022, 03:24:18 PM
If they are not listening to usa on Russian sanctions then this doesn't mean they are rebellion now, it's just that USA can bear this disobedience.
It is far more complicated than that.
It starts from the fact that US has been on a downward spiral and has been getting weaker every year. Even the colonies are recognizing this so they are increasing the pressure on US to get more benefit from being a colony. For example US hasn't sold any medium+ range weapons to any of them so they filled the gap with China, that angered US but they couldn't do anything about it!

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Gulf states are in full control of usa, 100% military weapons of these Gulf countries comes from usa. These countries don't even know how to use them, while USA enjoy selling them since it tightens usa grip on these Gulf countries.
I strongly disagree. It is just that US weapons have been grossly useless and it has been proven many times. For example when Yemenese attacked these Arabs none of the defenses that US had sold them worked. You are saying that the Arabs don't know how to use them but what about when the same people attacked US bases in Saudi Arabia and the same weapons operated by US military personnel protecting US military personnel also didn't work at all?
4456  Economy / Economics / Re: Who will Replace Russian Gas Supplies to Europe? on: June 20, 2022, 05:54:40 AM
Remember 1973 oil crisis when few Gulf countries created shortage of oil by stopping the oil supply? USA make sure through regime change in KSA that this never happens again and till date Gulf countries rulers are puppets of usa.
It is the Persian Gulf and the name should tell you who rules it. The 19 Greek ships that are not allowed to leave it because they seized only one of our tankers should also tell you who has the last say and what US can do which is nothing.
Those teeny tiny countries you are talking about such as UAE, Bahrain, Qatar and Kuwait are fake "countries" that were created to be Western puppets. Some of them don't even have as much population as one of our small cities nor have enough history has some of the trees that have existed for centuries in Iran! Nobody cares about them.
Only Saudi Arabia is a big player but we also saw what happened to their oil production when the poorest country in ME attacked them and cause their oil production to be cut by half!

Keep in mind that you can't really compare 1973 with today since that is before Iran's revolution which means it was before Iran stopped being a US colony.

P.S. one more thing I should add is that even these colonies don't listen to US anymore. Recently they rejected their boss's demand to sanction Russia and they openly said they are going to continue their good relations with Russia and they are also getting close to China which is against another demand of their boss Cheesy

Its a good move by Russia to accept payment in rubble for oil export, may be this can be copied by other oil exporting countries also in future to break the supremacy of USA.
This was actually started by Iran years before Russia even thought of it. Right now we are discussing usage of a new currency among the Eastern block that could be something similar to euro.
4457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Food for Thought!!! (Bear Market Special) on: June 20, 2022, 04:26:49 AM
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That hit me hard. It's the same people like us who "bought back" at right times multiple times and are now the whales.
I never sold my bitcoins. I only sold some of them when I had the necessity but otherwise I kept HODLing on to the rest.
If only I had sold and bought back then I could have accumulated more coins. But then I am happy to not lose those coins by not buying back.
I still have a chance to buy more right now while it's low and keep accumulating. May be I may sell later at peak and buy more later again.
Beware that you have to find a good balance between selling, buying, buying back and HODLing. After all using exchanges is always risky, trading is an extra risk on top of it. I personally dedicate a small portion of my bitcoins to trading which is why when Bittrex scammed me and stole my coins I wasn't devastated, that was simply because I was trading with a small amount that I could afford to lose.

If you get over that, trading could give you some good profit. For example I sold a small amount above $30k and bought back above $20k and I'm happy with the profit I earned regardless of what the price currently is.
4458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: why can't bitcoin be based on something that has value? on: June 20, 2022, 03:40:42 AM
Money does not need to be "backed up" by something. In fact no money in the world is backed up by anything. Take US dollar for example, it is not backed up by anything except a stupid faith 70 years ago. So the real question you need to be answering first is why should bitcoin be different from other currencies?
4459  Economy / Speculation / Re: Jim Cramer Expects Bitcoin to Dump to $12,000, Its "Pre-Fiasco" Level on: June 20, 2022, 03:28:31 AM
CNBC's host of "Mad Money," Jim Cramer
One funny thing about big bitcoin price movements (not just drops but also rises) is that we hear new names that we never heard before in bitcoin circles. Idiots who start predicting the next price and their opinions are spread on the internet as if it matters!

The real question is why does bullshit of a local TV personality even worth repeating in a speculation board?!!
4460  Economy / Speculation / Re: Was $17.5K the low? on: June 20, 2022, 03:22:14 AM
A lot of weak hand newbies were purged from the market when the big crash occurred but the problem with irrational market behaviors is that they are going to continue being unpredictable so my vote is the last option.

I'd personally prefer that we'd get far worse sort of "market cleansing" from here. Still so much useless fluff in the broader cryptocurrency space that I want those projects to just die out first.
I think everyone would love that but the problem is that as soon as bitcoin starts rising back up again, the shitprojects would also start being created or existing ones be pumped and dumped again.
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