About the referendum it is indeed ilegal, as anyone that knows spanish law and constitution do inmediately realize. It was the Judges and not the government who sent the police to seize the ballot boxes.
Such laws are bull shit. Referendum for independence should be every Earthing right. And specially every Europeans right. Europe dont exist without it. It is simple as that. Countries that dont care of their citizens rights have nothing to do in Europe. Ok, so I can go and do a "referendum" with a bunch of my friends and decide, for example, that we are not going to pay any taxes anymore? Can now Barcelona go a do a "referendum" and secede from catalonia? Can Girona? Maybe they can.... is it legal? No. Do they have the right? No. Should they have that right? I don't think so, but it is of course opinable. That said... I don't think any country would let me independence from it (and not pay taxes) while leaving inside its territory. Also, it would probably a chaos if it were possible because..... who the fuck wouldn't independece then? Who would pay taxes? Who would build roads, hospitals or anything? I don't think it is that simple as saying that there's absolutely no limits to freedom. P.S.: If anyone knows of a country where that is possible (and living is GOOD), just tell me. I can relocate  If the colonists of the New World had thought that same way, there would be no United States of America. Just sayin'.  But I don't live there where you live, so I can't judge. I'm sure the Spanish people will figure it out eventually. Also, think about Bitcoin. Do the people have the "right" to create and use their own form of private money outside their government(s)? Granted by whom? |
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...lol with the recent news from Russia re competing with China in Bitcon mining - coupled with the faux China ban , and taken into context with the usual bullshit the MSM spout..
This "supposed" Russia "ban"
Who could really give a flying fuck.
Not me that is for sure.
Not a single fuck given.
(Even if Putin were to come into my house and smack the hardware wallet outta my hands I would still laugh in his face)
He would do a little martial arts on you, and you would not be laughing, then ...  I heard that Putin and Steven Seagal are best buds now, and Stevie has been teaching ol' Putin some Aikido. |
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Thanks for the info. We westerners have little visibility into the particulars and details of European politics and history. I'm sure we get plenty of misinformation or outright propaganda here as well.
It's hard to get honest news reporting anymore, pretty much anywhere in the world now. So sad that news agencies now have hidden agendas given to them by their corrupt bosses.
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You mean as if the pro-independence movement was an spontaneous act of the people instead? Seemed pretty spontaneous to me. Who would benefit to make that up? Those corrupt politics that have been instigating the people for years (for their own benefit), mainly. From what I saw, the corrupt politics you speak of were the first to emerge and denounce the referendum as illegal. They were also the ones who sent in the brute squad police. The politicians in power and the banksters are working together to keep Spain intact. They want status quo. And they use threats (of economy imploding, of businesses and banks leaving, etc.) as blackmail. What am I missing? |
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You mean as if the pro-independence movement was an spontaneous act of the people instead? Seemed pretty spontaneous to me. Who would benefit to make that up? |
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Take into account that with this shitshow Catalonia not only have lost banks but has already lost corporates representing more than 35% of its GDP and that only during the past 7 days. That myth of catalonia being one of the "wealthiest" regions of Spain is (sadly) now something of the past. But the individuals that had money/savings are still in control of it and need to find ways to secure it before the situation gets worse.
The great lie that Average Joe doesn't fully understand, is that our world's interconnected, dependent, fragile financial system is literally teetering on the edge of knife. The supposedly "wealthy" countries and regions are just one minor panicky bank run away from complete and total financial meltdown. Why do Catalonians think that an anti-independence "Unity" rally just magically appeared out of nowhere just a few days after the independence referendum? Do they actually think this was a spontaneous act of the people? Pffft. The people there are being played like a fiddle by the politicians and the banksters. |
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I didn't know that Flippenings could have Reversinings?  |
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They're spreading thin and can't go in either direction without pissing off their support base. It's ironic that they undermined themselves with a BCH, as without it it'd be much easier for them to rally troops behind 2x
You mean like all 10 of them that really care? That's the great lie that they don't want naive Bitcoiners to realize. These silly forks and their supposed "support base" are the crypto equivalent of the bogeyman, created only for the FUD effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYMMeqXVEYo&feature=youtu.be&t=24m40s |
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But...but.. what about BCH? Oh my gosh, is BCH now being quickly abandoned by the same people in favor of a new fork? Whodda thunk it? Will the real slim shady alt-cash please stand up? |
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It remains remarkable to me that when banksters and funds managers keep being asked about bitcoin, even the ones that are somewhat appreciative of its potential keep using the word "valuation" or phrases like "at this valuation" to describe whether it is fairly valued or not.
They keep talking about it like an existing stock or commodity trading on the NYSE or NASDAQ. Never mind that fact that the current valuation only really applies when there is large amounts of industry leverage being applied and/or excess derivatives. Bitcoin barely has any of this, only one or two obscure investment traded trusts like GBTC, and hardly any leverage being applied. Deep pocket traders can't even effectively get long or short because of all the different exchanges involved and the lack of actual btc available. Large hedge funds can't even get in and play the game quite yet.
Right now, Bitcoin's price is as close to an actual "valuation" as representative of a fairly traded market not based on credit as you will probably ever get. Market price discovery is looking fairly legit right now. It's only when a bunch of ETFs come on line as well as excessive leverage and collateralization would you have to worry about bitcoin's market "valuation". When this happens, the price could do a 10X or 20X within 6-12 months, but then after that would be a time to start to really question its "valuation".
TL/DR - buy it now before all that happens!
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This is great but alts are a disgusting disaster. It's not a good sign.
But... but... what about The Flippening tm? lol |
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Man, when they give us a spike why is always just one.  Moar!! |
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I think the bigger question is, when are we going to see an end to attempts to support all these constant bogus forks?
I know it's putting unneeded stress on their businesses. Perhaps if companies like Coinbase and the exchanges get tired of having to deal with all the forking and providing means to the coins for their customers, they will finally put an end to all this nonsense by stating "Any and all future forks that are contentiously launched, we are flat out just not going to support. Period."
I'm guessing it'll only take another round of this shit or maybe two before they finally throw in the towel.
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Thanks. Calm before the storm, or have the whales just completely lost interest? |
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Ok, at the risk of being reprimanded for going off-topic, I'm a full blooded Alex Jones Info-warrier and I am proud of it, and I don't agree with anyone 100%, but with Alex it's probably the high nineties, and his information which is usually accurate: https://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-exposes-pro-amnesty-libertarian-gary-johnson/ Gary Johnson was Anti-Gun, Pro-TPP, Pro-Amnesty. Now Pro-Amnesty I understand you may be against national borders if you are maybe an anarchist, but I believe in national sovierenty as a practical necessity and we can agree to disagree. I believe we do ourselves a great dis-service when we vote by political party. Just the fact that Trump is most vehimently hated by the rest of the establishment republicans clearly indicates he has the right people as his enemies! Supporting any candidate just to advance a particular party, I think that is a mistake.You right. Can't disagree with this at all, I feel the same way. I wish more people would think this way though. On the Anti-Gun stance, I'm not sure where this info is coming from. Here's an excerpt from a direct interview with Gary Johnson in 2011. "Q: Where do you stand on gun control?
A: I'm one of those who believe the bumper sticker: If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns. The first people who are going to be in line to turn in their guns are law-abiding citizens. Criminals are going to be left with guns. I believe that concealed carry is a way of reducing gun violence.
Q: Do you carry a gun?
A: I don't, and I don't own a gun, but I'd still just as soon have the concealed carry law. If the guy who is going to hold up a car knows there is the possibility of a concealed weapon, he may think twice. We don't have that law here.
Q: But the statistics show that people don't use guns to stop crime. They use them to hurt themselves or innocent people.
A: Yeah, but there is deterrence in the legality of guns. It's also part of the Constitution.
Q: The NRA disagrees with any limits. Do you?
A: I don't believe the laws regarding guns are effective. We're allowed to bear arms. It's part of a free society. "-Source: David Sheff interview , May 2, 2011 |
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So does anyone have some juicy TA? Cause I need to see some TA.
Complete with graphs, random drawn lines, and such.
How can we track price if we don't have some graphs? Anyone? Bueller?
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I voted for Gary Johnson. But I do understand the votes for Trump.
However, you might want to reconsider in the future. Not voting for the libertarian candidate because you believe they "have no chance of winning" is not really helping the cause btw.
I.E., if no one votes for the third party for fear of losing, then a negative feedback loop is constantly reinforced every 4 years and thus the Libertarian party's chances of winning will never grow, because their percentage of overall votes will never grow.
Despite this behavior, though, the Lib party's percentage of votes is growing. The near term goal is to gain enough % of the votes to where the Lib party can no longer be ignored by the establishment.
Torque: how can any libertarian support a candidate who supports forced vaccination of children? https://www.oathkeepers.org/mike-adams-libertarian-presidential-candidate-favors-forced-vaccines/He clarified that position: http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/25/gary-johnson-changes-his-mind-on-mandatoAlso, please don't make me have to go dig up at least 5-6 stances on things held by either Trump or Hillary that would make the average person want to vomit themselves. These party candidates are not 'perfect' in all their views, far from it. If you are waiting around for that 'perfect libertarian candidate', you're gonna be waiting a long time. Possibly forever. |
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Buying bitcoin because you think a total economic collapse is imminent is a little extreme (but could happen).
Buying bitcoin because you see it as a great hedge against ongoing (and rising) inflation is smart.
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I tune into MSNBC, daily.
Very sad. Please affirm that you are at least a libertarian. Libertarian, but voted for Trump because the Libertarian candidate had no chance of winning. I voted for Gary Johnson. But I do understand the votes for Trump. However, you might want to reconsider in the future. Not voting for the libertarian candidate because you believe they "have no chance of winning" is not really helping the cause btw. I.E., if no one votes for the third party for fear of losing, then a negative feedback loop is constantly reinforced every 4 years and thus the Libertarian party's chances of winning will never grow, because their percentage of overall votes will never grow. Despite this behavior, though, the Lib party's percentage of votes is growing. The near term goal is to gain enough % of the votes to where the Lib party can no longer be ignored by the establishment. |
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