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4461  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin and Funcoin casino. on: September 12, 2016, 02:22:36 AM

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4462  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 10, 2016, 06:28:08 PM
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Trust summary for game-protect

LOL, what have false and misleading blatant lies to do with trust?  Roll Eyes

You are from betcoin.ag and see the decreasing revenue numbers and now you are going tilt. That is fully understandable... LMAO

It is mathematically and juridically absolute correct to use the average numbers and as long as you do not put the real numbers on the table, I take that one:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) 33% fix from betcoin.ag in form of Xiaoxiao + 30% vip rakeback + 25% tablestarter = 88% in average + your countless too good to be true promotions, (do not know) maybe 12% in average = 100% rakeback in average!!!

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 100% back to players and made a 0% gross revenue

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 30 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag
4463  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 10, 2016, 06:08:27 PM
You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  Cheesy

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  Roll Eyes


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!

Sorry to interfere into your affiliate war (yes, game-protect is just an affiliate even if he tries very hard to make people believe he is somethings else) and, as a player, stop the misinformations of the post above.

58% - 133% RB.
Let’s break it down. There are 3 components that could render a reward up to 133% RB.


33% RB coming from Xiao.

Reality: Indeed everyone under Xio get this flat RB. Sadly I might add, since it used to be higher.

For Flat RB  it is in the low end of what RB deals can offer in the industry but a lot of Sites once big enough did stop using affiliates altogether.
Still you can find same deals for networks where Traffic is incomparable way higher than Betcoin like  Microgaming . And way higher than that on Ipoker (even when taking into consideration their special system “SBR”).

Betcoin probably made a mistake by going all-in with only one affiliate – some might argue having affiliates is a mistake in itself, but when you are a new site it is often, if not necessary, at least the easiest way to gain some traction - and even now that Xiao has a normal deal it still prevents competitors to challenge him because before they generate the amount of BTCs necessary to reach the last tier of the affiliate scheme, they will not be able to offer their players the same amount as Xiao does.

It seems as well to stir-up a lot of hate / jealousy coming from various people towards Xiao.
In the end, Xiao makes the most of it – do not think it is fair to blame him for that, tho you can probably be a bit disappointed that he does not have the kind of leverage you might expect him to have from his special place – and Betcoin probably does suffer -their mistake in the first place- that their site would have probably gotten more exposure with a real competition among multiple affiliates.

The solution could be that Betcoin offers Top Tier Affiliate Scheme (40%) to others for Poker Only (for Casinos/Sportbooks they’d need to climb up the Scheme).

50% coming from the last VIP Status level.
Reality: no one reached yet such a status. So no one so far, is getting that amount or close to it from the VIP Status.

SWCpoker has the exact same type of VIP Scheme: you climb up for life and the top level rewards you of 50% RB.


50% from Table Starter Rakeback.
It is probably the most misunderstood component of it all.

It only benefits players that are willing to start games. And they are very few. Why ? Because most poker players like to play against weak opponents and when you have to start tables you cannot choose who you‘re playing against.
Generally, only the top players at their own stakes are willing to create action by opening tables and playing HU.
They are rewarded for that, as they should.


Game-protect wants you to believe that anyone benefits from that feature.
It cannot be further from the truth.
Let’s add to the fact that only few players are willing to use the feature, it is quite limited now both in time and in number at Betcoin. You have to play at least 1 hour straight and you are limited to 2 tables.


Game-protect wants you to believe that because on top of the VIP/RB you can get 50% more for TSR it is something unique and that is the proof that Betcoin is a Ponzi scheme.
Practices among the poker sites in the online world.
SWCpoker has the exact same feature, but is even better than Betcoin for the players: 50% not only for HU but as well for 3 handed play. No time limit and no table limit (but starting 4 handed you lose the benefit).

Notice that with the same reward for VIP and even with the lack of flat RB, depending on stakes/format SWCpoker is a cheaper place to play than Betcoin because of a rake way lower.

So SWCpoker is a Ponzi scheme as well ?

A lot of small online poker sites used prop players. Players that are paid to start tables and create action on the site.
Those deals are made under the coat. Is it not better that everyone willing to create action is getting rewarded for it ?

Practices in brick and mortar casinos.
Prop players came from the live background.

In multiple live casinos you either have prop players (it does costs live casinos money) or casinos that did opt for the same kind of offer than Betcoin/SWCpoker: rake free for HU /3handed [yep, 100%RB]. And you still get comps.
So are they losing money ? They’re just willing to pay small money to get game going and then rake it than having no game running at all.

Are live casinos Ponzi Schemes as well because of that ?


To anyone who wants to make business with game-protect: Beware.

It is pretty clear that he has zero knowledge of the poker industry. For someone claiming that under him as an affiliate he will be able to protect you of the said industry, it does not compute.

I suggest you to go through a lot of his posts here in order to give you an idea of what type of individual he is or even go to other forums like 2p2 (this thread in particular is quite telling about his “abilities” http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/does-skrill-make-contradictory-statements-their-legally-binding-contract-1589116/ ) or PokerFraudAlert where he is, to say the least, not receiving a warm welcome; which does not prevent him to link the said forum on his website to lure people into thinking he is somewhat related to it and to give him some kind of false legitimacy in the process.
So many lies and nonsense in one post! Roll Eyes

My calculation is perfect, because there are no exact numbers available and in my calculation are all the other promotions and freerolls and overlays and whatever not considered. So if the average for 58-133% would be more like 78%, it could be still around 95% if you add all the other additional promotions and overlays, surprise boxes and whatever.

Even if the players would receive "only" 78% rakeback in average, it would be still not sustainable and betcoin.ag has a loss every month!

While affiliate commissions are one part of the revenue stream of Game Protect to finance the legal proceedings against criminal online gaming operators, Game Protect is not just an affiliate. This is a blatant lie and has nothing to do with the reality!  Roll Eyes

Xiaoxiao is also no affiliate, he is a criminal directly from betcoin.ag, because:

1) He is the only one who is able to offer this 58 -133% rakeback deal

2) Legitimate gambling companies would never pay up to 40% commission on the gross rake, while average rakeback is around 95%!

3) 58% rakeback is minimum when signing thru betcoin.ag and 133% maximum = 95,5% rakeback in average for the player.


If you are a publicly proven multiple scam, it does not matter if you have only one house affiliate or 100 external affiliates or pay a ton for signature and whatever promotion campaigns. Your business model is and will be always not sustainable and it can only run because you cheat your customers and use their deposits.


People complain about Xiaoxiao because he promotes a publicly peoven multi scam and not because they are jealous. He makes the most of it? He takes only 2-7% of his 40% commission and takes the most of it?  Cheesy


As already explained, Betcoin.ag scam customers can not make business with Game Protect! If someone want to drive with 150 mph into a curve, then he can of course do this, but please without Game Protect.


Nice try to mislead the bitcointalk community, but no, brick and mortar casinos are in no way related to anonymous and criminal online casinos like betcoin.ag. These are two totally different pair of shoes.  Roll Eyes


And no, Game Protect nowhere and never has stated that we can protect you from criminal online gambling operators. We can "only" try to claim and enforce your rights if something happened.


Yes, please go thru my posts and compare them with the blatant lies and nonsense criminals post here...


Game Protect has no account on 2+2.  Roll Eyes


The link to the pokerfraudalert forum is to give potential victims the opportunity to read about the scams going on and already happened and do in no way indicate that Game Protect is anyhow related with it. You yourself already gave the explanation that Game Protect is in no way related to pokerfraudalert, because I did not receive a warm welcome there.  Roll Eyes
4464  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 10, 2016, 01:41:08 PM
You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake.

Are you seriously mentally brain dead?  That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers.  For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%.

I have an idea who is seriously mentally brain dead!  Cheesy

However, let a stupid looking person elaborate your nonsense:

1) Your referred players paid BTC75 rake in August

2) They receive between 58-133% rakeback (- 33% rakeback from you directly) = 58-100% rakeback from betcoin.ag = 79% rakeback in average from betcoin.ag

3) From the BTC75 rake paid in August, betcoin.ag paid 79% back to players and made a 21% gross revenue = 15.75 BTC

4) You received 40% commission of the BTC75 rake paid = 30 BTC

5) Your behaviour created a - 14.25 BTC LOSS in August for betcoin.ag

6) This clearly confirms that you are a participant of the betcoin.ag scam (and not only an affiliate), as a legitimate company would never pay 14.25 BTC from their pocket to a foreign affiliate!  Roll Eyes


This calculation also confirms that the betcoin.ag scam pays the too good to be true promotions, 58-133% rakeback = 95,5% average, surprise boxes, affiliate commissions, signature campaigns, software provider fees, employees, infrastructure and whatever costs from the player deposits/not paid jackpot winnings/scams and this is called PONZI SCHEME!
4465  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 10, 2016, 11:34:32 AM
2. Xiaoxiao is a big affliate there, and he has profited over 100 btc(just my speculation) I think xiaoxiao earned enough, so he locked his thread. Xiaoxiao didn't lose anything, he ahs hundreds of downlines can earn very decent money per month.


He locked the thread, so others can not post anymore and warn potential victims. But he is still posting in his thread and try to draw new customers in...

Maybe double xiao fear others complain in his OP? He often spams and self-bumps his thread. Damn he is a greedy affiliate

Xiao's not a greedy affiliate at all. I referred 4 players to him and he's making just 2% off them I think while giving me 5%. A lot of the well established affiliates with thousands and thousands of player ain't willing to give that kind of %.

1) Xiaoxiao is making 2% of what?

2) Xiaoxiao is giving you 5% of what?

I doubt that he is an affiliate, he is likely a part of the Betcoin.ag scam. Otherwise the over 60 shills would simply register as well as an affiliate...

Why do the over 60 shills posting for cents instead of acting as an affiliate?

I don't think you have any idea how stupid you look when you say things like this.

Your feedback should say -80: -40/+0 Warning: One of the biggest ignorant fools on the site!

Your current feedback is being kind:



If stupid looking people are able to destroy the betcoin.ag scam, what do you think how stupid looking are the people behind betcoin.ag?

Maybe I am too stupid to understand, but what role would -80: -40 play, while betcoin.ag customers can anyway not trade with Game Protect?
4466  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin and Funcoin casino. on: September 09, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Let us remind you that FUN-CASINO has partnered with leaders in blockchain technology to create a special token that will deliver a dividend derived from casino earnings each and every week, so that you can always have a piece of the pie

What is the name of your blockchain technology leader partner? Do you have any documents or partner contract confirming your partnership?

Why would a blockchain technology leader partner with a multiple scam? Especially as this multiple scam received only 1,16920640 BTC first deposits in 2016. Does this make any sense?  Roll Eyes


– after all, there will always be hungry players out there!

While there are indeed always hungry players out there, they have unfortunately no interest to play at a multiple scam!  


In this way we are able to satisfy the desire for new ways of delivering added gains.

What are the added gains and especially based on what are you able to gain anything? Based on the 1,16920640 BTC you have received in 2016?


The idea seems complex, but it is actually rather simple.

Not at all! Your fraud scheme is very easy to see through.  Cheesy


Fun-Casino has created a digital token called the FUNC. Anyone who holds these tokens, will be holding a piece of Fun-Casino’s income. It’s as simple as that.

A piece of Clown-Casino's income, based on the first deposited 1,16920640 BTC in 2016? LMAO  Cheesy


The only thing you need to do is buy whatever amount of tokens you wish.

Look, your offer to buy an unlimitted amount of investment tokens confirms your fraud scheme!!

If your Clown-Show has a year to date NET REVENUE of 3 BTC, based on the 1,16920640 BTC first deposited in 2016, why would you take an e.g. 30 BTC investment for your Clown-Casino? This does not make any sense.  Roll Eyes

Despite of this, you can handle the 3 BTC year to date NET REVENUE easily from your own pocket! There is no need to look for unlimited amounts of investments to cover your 3 BTC NET REVENUE in 2016.

Therefore, the only reason why you look for unlimited "investments" and pay a 200 or 300% interest rate per month, is that your Clown-Show is a PONZI SCHEME. I trust that even a blind with a crutch can see what you are exercise here...  Wink
4467  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Need fair Casino on: September 07, 2016, 09:03:33 PM
as a player, i'm liking betcoin.ag
provably fair and tons of cassino games(i'm poker player, but you can try others there).

LOL @ provably fair!

Betcoin.ag is

1) a publicly proven scam

2) does not pay jackpots BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot

3) and has a lot of other scam accusations What's wrong with Betcoin.ag? Here's a list.
4468  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 07, 2016, 05:42:51 PM
Any ETA on when mystery box will be added back?

Not only you, I can't wait for the mystery box either, it is disappearing for 1 month.

Surprise box is not being taken away per 'game-protect's' false speculations.  It will be back in the coming weeks.

https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-update-progress-report#comment-69860

I have never stated that this surprise box is taken away! I said that you have to reduce the gifts, because your revenue is decreasing recently:

Their revenue is decreasing recently, so they have to reduce the gifts:

I am pretty sure that there will be the one or other "surprise box" in the foreseeable future!  Cheesy
4469  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin and Funcoin casino. on: September 07, 2016, 05:20:53 PM
The current 2016 casino revenue can be found


Fundev, you really bring me to laugh and I am willing to pay a €10 monthly fee for your Clown-Show.  Cheesy

As I already informed you, you have not the slightest idea about the finance sector or accounting, etc...

1) You understand that the numbers you have provided prove nothing, except that they are totally nonsense!  Roll Eyes

2) You still had no deposits until April 7, 2016

Still have no deposits at Fun-casino Shocked

We do have a special offer for all players going to make their First deposit!*

Deposit over 0.1 BTC and receive 0.1 BTC bonus using the following bonus code: UI56B45

Note*: offer is valid until April 14.

3) I know and you know and everyone knows that anonymous Clown-Casinos always offer a 100% First Deposit bonus and reload bonuses.

BONUSES TOTAL = First Deposit Bonuses in 2016 are 1,16920640 BTC = 1,16920640 BTC were deposited to your Clown-Show.

It is technical not possible that deposited 1,16920640 BTC generate a 48.32825869 BTC loss = Gross Revenue for you Clown-Casino!

A 48.32825869 BTC Gross Revenue requires that 48.32825869 BTC were deposited and lost: BETS SUM 1708.67640193 - WIN SUM 1660.34814324 = 48.32825869 BTC LOSS

4) BALANCES CORRECTIONS = -15.82153761 BTC Bonus abuses, but the total amount of bonuses given is BONUSES TOTAL (First Deposit) 1,16920640 BTC + NO DEPOSIT BONUSES 10.53954310 = 11,70874950 BTC

How can customers abuse 15.82153761 BTC in bonuses while only 11,70874950 BTC were given as bonuses??? Can customers hack your system and put bonuses into their account how they like?

5)
Could you share total signups, how many deposits/withdraws were made and their total value?  
>>> No, we can't, it's close info.

You already gave that info, clown: The amount of first deposit in 2016 was 1,16920640 BTC  Cheesy

All in all, I think you can make more money with charging a monthly fee for your Clown-Show, instead of persistently dumb and blatant lying or trying to find investors for your ponzi scheme with a 2, 3 or even 5000% interest rate per year.

If it starts as a scam, continues as a scam, persist to continue as a scam, it is a scam!  Wink
4470  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 07, 2016, 04:08:22 AM
2. Xiaoxiao is a big affliate there, and he has profited over 100 btc(just my speculation) I think xiaoxiao earned enough, so he locked his thread. Xiaoxiao didn't lose anything, he ahs hundreds of downlines can earn very decent money per month.


He locked the thread, so others can not post anymore and warn potential victims. But he is still posting in his thread and try to draw new customers in...

Maybe double xiao fear others complain in his OP? He often spams and self-bumps his thread. Damn he is a greedy affiliate

Xiao's not a greedy affiliate at all. I referred 4 players to him and he's making just 2% off them I think while giving me 5%. A lot of the well established affiliates with thousands and thousands of player ain't willing to give that kind of %.

1) Xiaoxiao is making 2% of what?

2) Xiaoxiao is giving you 5% of what?

I doubt that he is an affiliate, he is likely a part of the Betcoin.ag scam. Otherwise the over 60 shills would simply register as well as an affiliate...

Why do the over 60 shills posting for cents instead of acting as an affiliate?
4471  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 07, 2016, 12:10:13 AM
This is cool - as long as it is just an addition to the rakeback bonuses for the corresponding levels and not a replacement of the current rakeback system. I will be very upset if it is a replacement. Please tell me it's not a replacement nor will it be a replacement for the current rakeback system.

The signature campaign is the replacement for rakeback it seems.  They have have 57 shills to pay something like 6-6.5 btc per month.

1 year ago (a couple months before sig campaig):



I have currently 63 shills and I think they pay more likely 10 BTC per month. 6,5 BTC per month would be only €55 in average per shill.

4472  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin and Funcoin casino. on: September 06, 2016, 06:31:38 PM
There were not any TIERS in August, the FIRST TIER started today at 10 GMT as it was announced before, please don't mix together ROI & Profit Distribution (and dividends paid in August) with the TIERS. It's not the same at all.
1) You did not provably publicise any documents confirming that Clown-Holder 1 or 2 or 3 exist, deposited anything and received something.

2) You did not provably publicise any documents confirming Clown-Casino's ROI or Profit Distribution. Therefore, no idea how I could mix anything?

But I am indeed confused in regards to the Clown-Show FUNC in August, FIRST TIER in September and whatever story you are telling here...

How do you call the Clown-Show with Holder 1 and 2 and 3 in August?

What is the difference between the Clown-Show in August and the Tier-Show in September? 3120% interest rate per year instead of "only" 2400% in August?
4473  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin and Funcoin casino. on: September 06, 2016, 01:42:21 PM
Glad to hear that! We'll do our best not to disappoint you Wink.

Follow our news and become one of the FUNC holders, we reward 100+ FUNCs on the First FUNC deposit in casino Wink

So you still wait for the First FUNC deposit and this confirms that your alleged Holder 1, 2 and 3 are a fake!



With this false representation, you already committed minimum 4 false representations = criminal offenses of fraud in this thread!!!

Bad if you can not remember what you have lied yesterday... LMAO  Cheesy


Clown-Casino:

"Do not forget that now is the first TIER and all amounts purchased tokens are multiplied by 1.3!!!"

Your alleged interest rate of 2400% per year was not enough to draw idiots in? Now you have to give an additional 30% on the deposit + an additional 100 FUNC for the first idiot:

1) If an idiot will deposit 1 BTC = 10000 FUNC, he will get 13000 FUNC

2) 200% interest rate per months (based on August) = 26000 FUNC = 2,6 BTC

3) 2,6 BTC for 1 BTC deposited = 260% interest rate per month corresponds to an interest rate of 3120% per year!!! LMAO  Cheesy


Out of curiosity

If the current Clown-Show is the first TIER, which TIER was it in August then?
4474  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Affiliate earnings/programs - Is it really worth it or not ? on: September 06, 2016, 04:28:34 AM
Strat? There is no such thing though because what you really need is some luck not gambing strategy which is not solid to make you profitable. You cant make this as your method to earn some money. There is no free money in this world though, you need to work on it so that you can get your money
Of course there are strats in regards to Poker.  Roll Eyes

You can also offer a legal expenses insurance in exchange for clicking your affiliate links. In the case of Betcoin.ag a legal expenses insurance is very recommendable! Jasonort could have used such a service very well to enforce the 500 Bitcoins jackpot he won at Betcoin.ag!  Sad
4475  Economy / Reputation / Re: OgNasty: "@Lutpin: Really should kill himself." on: September 06, 2016, 03:29:28 AM
I had a conversation with RHavar in my thread. His last statement was July 25, 2016:

https://bitcointalk.or/index.php?topic=1535816.msg15708241#msg15708241

August 13, 2016 RHavar suddenly gave me the following negative feedback:

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This user provides a service which appears to be nothing but a scammy attempt to collect referrals and/or a yearly fee. The site is set up anonymously and does nothing to demonstrate it provides the promised services. Their "partners" are a misleading term to mean casinos that they signed up for as an affiliate.

Feedback reference is his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016

RHavar admits here in this thread that he was contacted by OgNasty August 13, 2016 and asked to remove the positive feedback he gave to TwitchySeal few months ago:

I don't like drama, but I do feel compelled to weigh in.


A while ago (2016-05-19) , I left TwitchySeal some positive feedback:
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One of the sane ones. An asset to the bitcoin gambling community

I honestly forgot why, but it was probably to do with one of his posts around that time.

Anyway, recently I get a PM from OgNasty telling me I should remove my feedback because TwitchySeal is an extortionist. When I asked him for some more information, he basically refused and pressed on with what is arguably thinly veiled extortion of his own:

"Stupid extortion plan"
Here you go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1582065.0

I'm missing the bit with extortion?

I don't share PMs, as I consider that a breach of trust.  However, they indeed did present me with an ultimatum that I consider an extortion attempt.  Either way, let me know if you don't want to remove the trust rating and I'll just remove my trust of Mitchell so that I can get him out of my trust network that way.  No hard feelings against you either way.  I just figured asking you would be better than disconnecting myself with Mitchell, who I did think was trustworthy.  Not any kind of problem though.  Good luck with you in the future.  Always nice to speak with another Bitcoin enthusiast.

I never left him negative feedback, as his trade and escrow history gives me the impression he is otherwise an honest guy. But I do take issue with the way he attempted to strong arm me into removing my feedback.

And August 13, 2016 is exactly the day when RHavar suddenly decided to give me a negative feedback, with reference to his old post in my thread from July 18, 2016

-> a blind with a crooked stick can see who gave RHavar the order to give me a negative feedback!
4476  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Which casino has the best odds? on: September 06, 2016, 02:19:12 AM
If you are looking for best odds, then you have definitely to avoid Betcoin.ag and Betsoft casino games! They do not pay progressive jackpots in the height of $100,000s: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot
4477  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin casino. on: September 05, 2016, 07:52:43 PM
You obviously have no knowledge about the finance sector, but interest rates are of course stated in % per year. That is why I multiplied your false and misleading 200% per month with 12.
I think you are wrong here. Just because something happened before doesn't mean it will happen again. I'm guessing the first month was 200% interest because not many people bought shares and deposited them to fun-casino. The next months will probably go down, as more people decide to invest. Take Monero (an altcoin) as an example - it went up over 100% in the past few days/week. Does that mean it will keep doubling every week? No. It is was, the price would be greater than bitcoin in no time.

Another example - yesterday, I took a loan of 5 LTC. Today, I repaid it ahead of time with 5.25 LTC. That is a 5% interest in one day, or 1800% interest in a year, if I kept taking those loans and repaying them the next day. Does that make me, or zarzab a criminal? No.
I do not know what will happen, but he allegedly paid an amount that corresponds to an interest rate of 2400% per year. And to compare interest rates, they are typically stated in % per year.

Fact is, we know nothing. The only thing we know is that Clown-Casino committed the criminal offense of fraud with their false representation that they are in the process of requesting a license and will thereafter publicise legal information concerning the management company. Fundev already confirmed that this is a false and misleading statement.

We do not know how many people decide to invest.

Usury is indeed a criminal offense in many jurisdictions and yes, therefore the lender would be a criminal, but this is not really my theme. I fight against the false representations of criminal online gambling operators. But if a creditor demands a 5% interest rate per day, there is no false representation.

I do not think it makes much sense to compare an online casino with an altcoin exchange rate. Altcoin exchange rates can of course vary huge, but anonymous online casinos are typically running within a certain profitability frame.
4478  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin casino. on: September 05, 2016, 06:14:19 PM
To assure that the winner of a $400,000 Betsoft jackpot will get paid anyway.

Fun-Casino offers 5 demons for glam life so 5 jackpots.  They total BTC1,855.919  (over $1.8 million)

Code:
RESULT=OK&JACKPOT=40334.85|100849.79|201132.05|504405.29|1009199.41|&GID=173&
END=0

O.k., just let me clarify this:

If you play in this game in FUN-CASINO and win jackpot there so for sure you will be paid this sum in this exact casino where you played, no any other. If I understood your correctly. Wink

Fundev assures that the Fun-Casino Betsoft jackpots in the height of total BTC1,855.919 will be paid. And this requires that Fun-Casino has this amount on hand, because we all know that Betsoft itself do not pay huge progressive jackpots.

But while Fun-Casino has Bitcoins worth over $1 million on hand, it looks for investors to pay them an unrealistic and criminal interest rate of 2,400% per year!!!

How much is Casino balance, FUNC 11090 (Holder 1) worth in BTC?

Hello!

As far as 1 FUNC is equal to 0.0001 BTC for now, it was about 1.109 BTC.

Thank you. This confirms your fraud scheme...

So he received an interest rate of 200% per month and this would be 2400% per year!!!

Only criminals offer such an unrealistic high interest rate to draw deposits in. You can get easily loans for an interest rate of 20% per year, so why would you pay 2400%? LOL, nice tale story bro.  Roll Eyes

And as you are anonymous, you can simply say good bye at any time! But I have to admit, if people are really that stupid, then please do it and pay the prize for your stupidy...

Makes sense?  Roll Eyes

Hello,

We can not assume how many annual percents anyone will receive as we never can guarantee and predict it. So the stated above calculations are not applicable.

Clown-Casino would be a more appropriate description for your scam service.

You obviously have no knowledge about the finance sector, but interest rates are of course stated in % per year. That is why I multiplied your false and misleading 200% per month with 12.


Moreover, every FUNC holder can receive no dividends in case of casino 0/negative monthly revenue. So please let's discuss operating with particilar facts on this topic.
I have yet to see any facts or the accounting of your fraud scheme?


We'd be extremely happy together with out investors if their profits were as you've described  Wink.
You are looking for investors to give them a 2400% interest rate per year, while you have over $1 million on hand to pay Betsoft progressive jackpots, does not make any sense at all!  Roll Eyes 


Anyway, while we're discussing on this topic someone is buying his FUNCs and collecting fruits on a monthly basis Cool.
Proof?

Can you see the contadiction?

Quote
Moreover, every FUNC holder can receive no dividends in case of casino 0/negative monthly revenue.

4479  Economy / Gambling / Re: BetcoinPoker.com Betcoin.ag-Big Tourneys-BONUS-Freerolls, Ring Games, Real Poker on: September 05, 2016, 01:57:24 PM

I think betcoin.ag is a scam


That is a pretty vague statement here.  You just step out and make that statement and you have no supporting facts to back it up!  I have an account with them and even though I do not use it much, I have always seen them as fair and I have never had any issues with making payment or getting paid.  Please explain yourself more and do not just make statements like that and runaway.

Not defending gentleman78 here, but the signature campaign promoters use the same content/fact less spelling style:

Beware! This guy is a public liar and an advertised thief!  Liar -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15775379#msg15775379

thief -> http://game-protect.com/

He is one of twitchyseal's recruits....be careful with this guy!
4480  Local / 中文 (Chinese) / Re: Fun-casino - online Bitcoin casino. on: September 05, 2016, 01:40:42 PM
To assure that the winner of a $400,000 Betsoft jackpot will get paid anyway.

Fun-Casino offers 5 demons for glam life so 5 jackpots.  They total BTC1,855.919  (over $1.8 million)

Code:
RESULT=OK&JACKPOT=40334.85|100849.79|201132.05|504405.29|1009199.41|&GID=173&
END=0

O.k., just let me clarify this:

If you play in this game in FUN-CASINO and win jackpot there so for sure you will be paid this sum in this exact casino where you played, no any other. If I understood your correctly. Wink

Fundev assures that the Fun-Casino Betsoft jackpots in the height of total BTC1,855.919 will be paid. And this requires that Fun-Casino has this amount on hand, because we all know that Betsoft itself do not pay huge progressive jackpots.

But while Fun-Casino has Bitcoins worth over $1 million on hand, it looks for investors to pay them an unrealistic and criminal interest rate of 2,400% per year!!!

How much is Casino balance, FUNC 11090 (Holder 1) worth in BTC?

Hello!

As far as 1 FUNC is equal to 0.0001 BTC for now, it was about 1.109 BTC.

Thank you. This confirms your fraud scheme...

So he received an interest rate of 200% per month and this would be 2400% per year!!!

Only criminals offer such an unrealistic high interest rate to draw deposits in. You can get easily loans for an interest rate of 20% per year, so why would you pay 2400%? LOL, nice tale story bro.  Roll Eyes

And as you are anonymous, you can simply say good bye at any time! But I have to admit, if people are really that stupid, then please do it and pay the prize for your stupidy...

Makes sense?  Roll Eyes
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