Personally, I don't have any issues there, I have registered and played there over 1 year.
VIP program is not good, because the points can't earn more in sportsbook, and they seldom give us cash prize.
About jackpot non-payment, I think betsoft is also "scam" if you think betcoin is scam. While most casinos also partner with betsoft, I have no idea why you guys call betsoft and betcoin are scams.
Both, Betsoft and betcoin.ag are clearly a scam: https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/ |
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Who collect the contributions for the Betsoft progressive jackpots, satoshigames.io or Betsoft?
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As far as I know they have not paid him the full amount but they reach an agreement and jasonort has been paid just a bit more of 100 btc but I am not sure. There is a big thread in the scam accusation section of the forum which you can find valuable data for betcoin.ag and specifically this case.
Even if he did receive 100btc it is many hundreds of bitcoins short of what he should have received. The slot was provided by BetSoft who provide many of the slots at bitcoin and other Internet casinos. I would like to know if the rule of not winning the jackpot during free spins was passed onto betcoin.ag before this incident or not, at least if we knew that i would know wso i know who's side to take. It seems no such rule existed beforehand. Have a look here, he posted all the transcripts to their forum: https://www.betcoin.ag/non-payment-jackpot-glam-life-my-support-ticket-transcript(this was before they reached the settlement). So I consider it a SCAM. It's obviously Betcoin.ag's fault for not knowing how their provider's games work, so they promised a win that couldn't exist in that situation. Thats right no rule at betcoin existed before this incident so they were at fault, but was it that they did not read the terms and conditions of the game from BetSoft and therefore fucked up 100% or did BetSoft not tell betcoin that the jackpot could not be won during the free spins? If BetSoft did tell betcoin.ag about the clause then why did they involve themselves with this case, just because the game was played on their servers? Maybe they just provide great support but it just seemed strange to me. The payout structure of the game "the Glam Life" is directly stated in the paytable of the game and provided by Betsoft. Free spins were not excluded in the paytable of the game and were therefore eligible for the jackpot. Who owes the jackpot is explained here: https://game-protect.com/betsoft-scam/There is no juridical valid settlement, they owe the full jackpot. Therefore, betcoin.ag and Betsoft is clearly a scam! |
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They did clarified this thing in the past that sportsbet.io is kinda like a sister site for bitcasino.io . Its kinda like bitcasino is more like casino and sportsbet focus more on sportsbook. Does it even matter though, not that you can do anything at all or willing to do anything if something goes south obviously They did clarify this thing in the Terms of Service section of their website? Because this is the place where such things have to be clarified/stated. Based on what can you not do anything at all in Curacao? Do you also know why people are not willing to do anything if something goes south? |
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Actually it is not difficult especially if you have big bankroll and have the "brave" to bet big amount. i.e you may bet 5btc bet in a parlay bet with total odds 1.5 This will give you 2.5btc profit already, while other players won a parlay with higher odds (e.g 100x) but the bet amount is only 10mbtc. Means that you are still leading on the leaderboard.
Overall, higher bankroll --> higher chance to win on a leaderboard promo by sportsbet.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
yes I think it is not difficult, but it is dependent for those who have big bankroll it may be easy to get the position rank the top, but a small capital that would have been difficult, but if you have a good strategy in making a parlay with a high odds, it is possible to enter to rank the top. The idea behind too good to be true promotions is to draw as much deposits in as possible. Especially if you are an anonymous operator and have already embezzled player deposits...  |
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How much is Casino balance, FUNC 11090 (Holder 1) worth in BTC?
Hello!
As far as 1 FUNC is equal to 0.0001 BTC for now, it was about 1.109 BTC.Thank you. This confirms your fraud scheme! So he received an interest rate of 200% per month and this would be 2400% per year!!! Only criminals offer such an unrealistic high interest rate to draw deposits in. You can get easily loans for an interest rate of 20% per year, so why would you pay 2400%? LOL, nice tale story bro.  And as you are anonymous, you can simply say good bye at any time! But I have to admit, if people are really that stupid, then please do it and pay the prize for your stupidy... |
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How much is Casino balance, FUNC 11090 (Holder 1) worth in BTC?
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When I play "the Glam Life" at Fun-Casino and win the jackpot, of course will I get the money from you.  But who collect the "the Glam Life" jackpot contributions? Do Fun-Casino collect the "the Glam Life" jackpot contributions and keep it stored untill the jackpot is hit or do Betsoft collect the jackpot contributions and if the jackpot is hit, then Betsoft send the money to you and Fun-Casino give the money to the winner? Could you please explain why do you ask this? As a winner you will be paid anyway so you shouldn't worry about that You have a casino and you do not understand why people want to know who collects the jackpot contributions and who has to pay the jackpot if triggered? Jesus Christus... Based on what will I get paid anyway? As you are hiding, for sure not based on contract or civil laws... It's a kind of confidentional into you are asking for. You just should understand neither Game provider nor FUN-CASINO itself are interested to loose players' trust and spoilt the reputation not paying in case of big winnings. There is a special so-called "Extra funds" in case of big winnings, so no worries about that. You are obliged by civil law to state who collect the jackpot contributions and who owes the jackpot to the winner. So no, there is no kind of confidentional into I am asking for. If you are not willing to disclose this information, then you breach international basic law and I do not recommend to deposit at your anonymous service at all. There are unlike better alternatives out there... You probably live on the moon, but Betsoft and Betcoin.ag already lost players's trust with not paying the $400,000 jackpot Jasonort won: BetSoft Non-Payment of JackpotSo you see that no one of these criminals care about their reputation. Their business model is to promote their scam thru paying money to criminal affiliates and criminal promoters and they do not rely anyhow on player's trust. Where and by whom and how much is there a provable so-called "Extra funds"? You have the same content less spelling style like other criminal game and gambling providers have. |
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I noticed you have some huge progressive jackpots on some of your betsoft games like greedy goblins and especially glam life.
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino?
when a jackpot is won how much is seeded back into the new jackpot?
are the odds to hit the jackpot the same at each denomination?
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino? >> sorry, didn't catch actually what do you mean here?  He asked if the "the Glam Life" slots in other online casinos contribute to the "the Glam Life" jackpot in your Fun-Casino? Or do only Fun-Casino "the Glam Life" slots contribute to the Fun-Casino jackpot? Because the progressive jackpots at your Fun-Casino slots are huge, he assume that the slots from other online casinos contribute as well to feed the huge jackpot and therefore can be won as well from players from other online casinos connected to the "the Glam Life" jackpot. In other words, Betsoft collect the contributions from the "the Glam Life" slots from Fun-Casino and from other online casinos and if someone win the jackpot in any of the connected casinos, then Betsoft pays the jackpot to the casino where the player won the jackpot? When I play "the Glam Life" at Fun-Casino and win the jackpot, of course will I get the money from you. But who collects the "the Glam Life" jackpot contributions? Does Fun-Casino collect the "the Glam Life" jackpot contributions and keep it stored untill the jackpot is hit or does Betsoft collect the jackpot contributions and if the jackpot is hit, then Betsoft send the money to you and Fun-Casino gives the money to the winner? |
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I noticed you have some huge progressive jackpots on some of your betsoft games like greedy goblins and especially glam life.
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino?
when a jackpot is won how much is seeded back into the new jackpot?
are the odds to hit the jackpot the same at each denomination?
can the fun casino jackpots be won at any other casino? >> sorry, didn't catch actually what do you mean here? He asked if the "the Glam Life" slots in other online casinos contribute to the "the Glam Life" jackpot in your Fun-Casino? Or do only Fun-Casino "the Glam Life" slots contribute to the Fun-Casino jackpot? Because the progressive jackpots at your Fun-Casino slots are huge, he assume that the slots from other online casinos contribute as well to feed the huge jackpot and therefore can be won as well from players from other online casinos connected to the "the Glam Life" jackpot. In other words, Betsoft collect the contributions from the "the Glam Life" slots from Fun-Casino and from other online casinos and if someone win the jackpot in any of the connected casinos, then Betsoft pays the jackpot to the casino where the player won the jackpot? |
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Hi guys, I'd like to share my story of how betcoin fucked me. I'm going to keep this as short and simple as period and let all the screenshots do the talking. Basically made 4 sportsbook bets that were legitimately placed and after the event has finished, MANY hours after, betcoin changed my original bets from kills/match to rounds/match. http://imgur.com/a/3HjMsShows bets placed in both wallet transactions as well as sportsbook history. http://imgur.com/a/Fi8qishows how they changed my original bet i made from kills/round to rounds/match. Also shows many discussions I've had with chat "support" about where betcoin is located and who they are licensed by. Correct me if I'm wrong but last time I checked Antigua and Costa Rica were not the same. http://imgur.com/a/FA7ATSupport ticket created and response. Mario, in charge of the sportsbook at betcoin, states that there was a mix up of market names. That's funny because whenever I make a bet and accidentally make a wrong bet, whether it be the team, over/under, etc, there is no "oh I made a mistake, I take it back, cancel and refund my mistake." If there is anyone that actually knows if betcoin is licensed by WPN and how I would contact the licensing authorities or whoever I'm supposed to contact, I'd appreciate it as I would like to make a formal complaint. Thanks for your time. The domain betcoin.ag is nowhere licensed! Only incorporated companies could apply for a license. I think it is not difficult to realize that betcoin.ag is a blatant lie: Licensed?
Betcoin Robert: WPN, Antigua and Barbuda
Betcoin.ag TOS: Hong Kong, Curacao, Costa Rica
Located?
Betcoin Robert: Costa Rica, Antigua and Barbuda, London
Betcoin.ag TOS: Hong Kong, Curacao, Costa Rica |
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I'm wandering why mostly of complinants using a brand new account? Show off your real account and don't use shill so we will believe you. And give us SS of any image proof so we can be aware for this.
Despite of the issues mentioned by TwitchySeal, the key problem is that you do not know to who you send your coins. In addition, Betcoin.ag is a copy & paste of Betcoin.tm. Betcoin.ag false and misleading state the jurisdiction(s) of Betcoin.tm: Betcoin.ag Scam!Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS) BetcoinPoker.com advises You to read all of these documents carefully as each forms part of the legally binding agreement between You and BetcoinPoker.com -> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing! -> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud! Fraud Act 20162 Fraud by false representation(1) A person is in breach of this section if he— (a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and (b) intends, by making the representation— (i) to make a gain for himself or another, or (ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss. (2) A representation is false if— (a) it is untrue or misleading, and (b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading. (3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of— (a) the person making the representation, or (b) any other person. (4) A representation may be express or implied. (5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention). Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere?25. GOVERNING LAW
These Agreements shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong. You irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability. Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong or Curacao? How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense? If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao?  Wait, Betcoin.ag scam Casino Terms of Service (TOS) The Agreement and any matters relating hereto shall be governed by, and construed in accordance with the laws of Costa Rica. Each party irrevocably agrees that the relevant courts of Costa Rica shall have exclusive jurisdiction in relation to any claim, dispute or difference between them concerning the Agreement and any matter arising hereunder. 1, 2 or 3, you have to decide, 3 fields are free! So where is it now? Hong Kong or Curacao or Costa Rica or nowhere? Who is the operator of Betcoin.ag? Why is the name not stated on their website? Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoins to something while you do not know who the operator is? Here is a guy who won a $400,000 Jackpot, but of course did not receive it: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot |
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Without having to read the entire post,we believe you.Not surprised,this ain't the first time someone has accused them of cheating.The only reason they are surviving is by paying shit loads of money to bitcoin gambling blogs which feature their articles on the top claiming it's the best bitcoin poker site.You could simply google "Best Bitcoin Poker" and the blogs which load up as the top results have them featured as the best casino. Check this : http://www.bestbitcoinpoker.org/ Little do these fuckers know how they're miss guiding serious poker players. From their website: About the casino
Betcoin was founded in 2013 by Ali Bagheri and Magnus Lindberg, who are i-gaming experts. It is not definite as to when Betcoin was actually launched. Betcoin’s about page does not really disclose any more information about its management or its history. We initially thought that Betcoin is based in Antigua and Barbuda basing from Internet country code top-level domain (.ag). But after further research, we found out that it is actually located in Costa Rica. These "experts" thought that Betcoin is based in Antigua and Barbuda because of the domain. LOL But hey, they found out that Ali Bagheri and Magnus Lindberg founded Betcoin and this even though the Betcoin's about page does not really disclose any more information about its management or its history. Applaud, applaud... And where is the proof or source that Ali Bagheri and Magnus Lindberg are behind Betcoin? Furthermore, where is the proof or source that Betcoin is located in Costa Rica? What is the name of the operator in Costa Rica? Did they even read Betcoin's juridical not valid Terms of Sevice, were Betcoin suggest that they are governed in Hong Kong and Curacao? Bestbitcoinpoker promote a publicly proven scam and imply that there are people or a company you could sue... Unluckily Jasonort, who won a $400,000 jackpot do not know who to sue: BetSoft Non-Payment of Jackpot |
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The only way that you can have two different table names on the same WPN skin is if you have multiple accounts. Sooner or later somebody is going to be intelligent enough to see thru all of your lies. Do you even care?
This is the case for WPN skins, but Betcoin is no WPN skin/partner. They have some kind of a special status. Here are the WPN partners: Americas Cardroom, True Poker, BetCris Poker, YaPoker, BetDSI, Black Chip Poker, BookMaker, Poker Host. |
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Words have more than one definition and they also have more than one antonym. The antonym of "max bet" is "min bet" "Free" when used in the monetary sense, as in "freespin" means not costly, minimum fee, or zero wager. "Maximum" when used in the monetary sense, as in "maxbet spin," means most costly, maximum fee, or absolute wager. To be able to win a "max bet", requires to bet money. And in most cases, it was costly until someone won several "max bets"! Maybe you missed the theme, but we speak in the gaming sense and not in the monetary sense. The only juridical relevant part in regards to Jasonort's jackpot win is: 5 jackpot symbols on "max bet" wins the JACKPOT! And this totally independant of whether the "max bets" were won or paid directly. Only someone directly from Betcoin would persistently repead his non sensical lies! No. There's a thread for this stuff and it has been gone over too many times. Players were compensated, the true multi-accounters were removed, and Betcoin gave a great deal away out of their own pocket during that period. This statement confirms what I have already assumed, you are a part of Betcoin! Only Betcoin management knows what is paid with what. Customers have no insight to accounting...  |
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@OP
I'm sure people can tell. But, thanks for posting.
There are laws against Stalking/Harassing/Defaming, etc that applies to online as well.
You might want to pursue that route, instead of forum posts? Who exactly should he sue? The anonymous Betcoin or the anonymous Xiaoxiao or the anonymous cjmoles? cjmoles is likely someone from Betcoin directly: - He persistently spreads lies and defends Betcoin - His posts are usually large, but someone who just want to get paid, would try to make shorter posts, just to get the money - He persistently attacks accounts calling out the truth about the Betcoin scam Would be not surprised if Xiaoxiao is as well deeper connected to Betcoin. He is the only up to 133% rakeback affiliate here on bitcointalk. But usually other people would do the same, especially if you consider that they have an army of over 50 promoters. But affiliate would be unike more lucrative, especially for lie experts like cjmoles. So why only one affiliate? In the Full Flush Poker scam, How Quaint/kahntrutahn, who has deeper ties with this scam, is also the only one who is allowed for P2P transfers, so he can buy balances for cheap. Xiaoxiao has also the same behaviour like cjmoles and he also log threads like Betcoin do... |
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OgNasty gave me the following negative trust feedback: Useless alt of an addicted gambler. Ignore him and his blackmail front masquerading as a service. I did not understand until today what he means, but after his statements here, I think I know now: TwitchySeal is an addicted gambler and my game-protect account is an useless alt of TwitchySeal LOOOL Still no idea what "blackmail front masquerading" means, but I think the first sentence is solved. What do you think Twitchy? |
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OP, how much did betcoin compensate you? Is this satisfied? I hope betsoft would pay you but they are the source, should blame betsoft
Based on what should Betsoft pay Jasonort? What is the agreement between Betcoin and Betsoft? Betcoin state only a juridical not valid agreement between victims and the domain betcoin.ag, not one word about Betsoft. The licensing rule usually says: A website which allows the player to begin gambling is offering the service. A web page may source it’s games from a variety of providers. |
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(BELOW COMMENT IS NOT DIRECTED AT RHavar but a general observation!)
Ironically, this situation is very similar to me being asked to remove my signature. Only difference is that I didn't threaten if anyone refused to act, I didn't make threads about anyone, I didn't make any private messages public, and I didn't strike first or at all with negative feedback. Had I done those things, I would certainly be guilty of whatever I've accused TwitchySeal of doing.
You have threaten me to remove my justifiably feedback: I'm going to paint your other account red with negative feedback if you don't remove this. Thought I'd give you the chance to do the right thing first.
Here's the negative feedback I'll be returning to you tomorrow if you do not remove the unwarranted negative feedback immediately. I will be more harsh to alt accounts I discover linked to this account, as well as alerting the scam patrol and moderator staff to do the same. Please do the right thing and save us both the time and negative energy. Leaving negative feedback because of who purchased my advertising? Clearly this unstable individual and his service should be avoided. I'm not going to dignify you with any further discussion. Tomorrow I will leave you negative feedback if you do not do the right thing. If you send me any other message besides apologize for leaving me negative trust because I fulfilled the promise of my signature auction then I will set your account to ignore. I'm not going to play games with you.. Good luck. Seek help for your gambling addiction. Nobody is to blame for your current situation but yourself.
You do realize that is the forum's policy, right?
If you were to remove your negative trust, I can put in a policy that companies with negative trust can no longer bid on my signature advertising slot. This would mean I would no longer be advertising for betcoin.ag (or similar untrusted organizations) at the end of this month.
That is the best I can do without breaking the contract I have in place, and is a final attempt at compromise to end this feud with you.
After you realized that you can not threaten me, you put me on your ignore list I do not know what you have with Lutpin or TwitchySeal, but you definitely made a mistake with connecting my account to Lutpin's or TwitchySeal's. After I realized yesterday that you stopped promoting the publicly proven Betcoin scam, I removed my feedback, like I did and will do with anyone else. This confirms that I do not harass anyone who promotes or promoted the Betcoin scam. I did not send pm to anyone, did not threat them and did not ask to leave the campaign. |
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