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4501  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 16, 2019, 10:16:17 PM
Somewhere, deep in the spice-rich sands of the Arrakeen deserts, Shai-Hulud stirs.

Everyone here watched/liked pretty much the same movies (and/or books).
Someone needs to make a psych profile of a bitcoiner or, better, WO bitcoiner.

I predict: mostly well educated open-source participating technotrend gambler with a knack for 'scientific' explanation of his or her (less likely) theories.
Yet, it seems to work (long term).
4502  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 11:12:54 PM
Norte Dame is in flames



I would like to see this properly investigated.
and
...sorry about your car wreck.
Around here people in trucks drive so aggressively that I mostly play defense (drive in the lane and not overtaking anyone).
I was thinking of buying Tesla, but their recent instability and price flip-flopping made me wait.
4503  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 15, 2019, 09:30:11 PM
img snipped
https://twitter.com/jpthor__/status/1117599332193030144

"Bitcoin is currently in its buildup phase, slowly absorbing all fiat."

Nice, BTCitcoin is the King.

China wanted the next step to be their currency (yuan or RMB), hence this is why they mess with bitcoin so much.
That (next reserve being RMB) is not going to happen, sowwy.
4504  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 11:23:48 PM
Come on for title Smiley

For this to happen, 'robotic aliens' that are MC need to draw a game and LFC to keep winning.
A tall order, but I wish that it would happen.


Highly unfortunate development. I thought Elwar had tacit approval or acquiescence for the seastead. I wonder where the disconnect is.

he did not ask the commander of the navy, perhaps....not trying to make a joke, but in the end all local 'agreements' could be superseded by a higher authority.

4505  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 10:46:23 PM
I'm just going to leave this here :

Seasteader in legal troubles, platform to be removed......

https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1661300/seastead-couple-in-crosshairs

Edit: He's possibly in very big trouble here if they proceed with the charges as mentioned.

The article suggests the Thais are willing to forget the whole thing if he tows it somewhere else.  Which seems to the simplest solution, albeit expensive in tow fees.

The harder question is where to tow it to.  

Somehow, reminds me of 01 in terms of yearning for new developments in how civilization works and the "old" order.
https://youtu.be/L0K6Cb1ZoG4?t=357
4506  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 07:30:22 PM
Heh, doesn't look very nonsensical to me.

Just kiddin',
You looked (a bit) offensive,
with your,
"Noooo. Tis all wrong.",
So I replied sarcastically.
But now,
that I've realized my mistake,
accept my apology,
in the shape of a merit!


hey, your response to my Sunday's haiku wasn't a haiku...
lol
Thanks
4507  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
Also voted yes.

Expecting at least one more dump and that'll be the one I am going to put lots of real money on btc. If it directly heads towards $50-100k without making that dump however, It is still fine by me but that's not what I expect.

That'll be the one I'll probably take my stack to double digits.

^^ could have two interpretations:
1. It dips and you increase your stack to double digits.
OR
2. It goes to 50-100K and you decrease your stack to double digits (from higher).

PS just kidding, I remember your posted numbers  Grin
4508  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 07:01:23 PM
~snip~

Noooo.
This is all wrong.

~snip~

What do you think of this one?



I think that it is funny.

a graph was revealed,
willingly nonsensical,
a beautiful sight
4509  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 14, 2019, 06:24:43 PM
I voted yes because I can imagine us going as low as ~$3,800 (or ~$3,200, worst case) by Oct, at the lastest, for the final "big dip".

Incidentally, one of my favorite CT guys, @davthewave just posted this:



If the 2015 comparison holds true, we're in for the final retest of lows soon. It might be a good time to stock up an ammo to buy the last <$4,000 bitcoins, potentially.

Peter Brandt seems to be expecting the ~$3300 "big dip" too:

Big question re: analog year comparison is whether 10a rally will lead to 10b retest similar to 2013-2015 $BTC



Noooo.
This is all wrong.
'big dippers' are wrong and straight 'exponentials' are wrong.

It would be a unique structure, maybe, but not necessarily resembling 2013.
I already posted my graph variant here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg50479459#msg50479459

We will rise very sharply toward October then crash, most likely together with the stock market.
We might even marginally exceed ATH by then or get close to it.
After that it depends if we are in a 1987-like scenario, in which case btc would swiftly recover to ATH and keep going.
However, if we get to be in either 1929-1932 scenario or, more likely, Japan 1989-2009 economical scenario, bitcoin would suffer together with everything else.
4510  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
fascinating story...this guy sees things in pixels and how this relates to the nature of reality?
Quote
Through Padgett’s eyes, the puddle is transformed into complex rippling patterns, overlapping and forming shapes like stars or snowflakes. And he wants everyone else to see what he sees.

Quote
“They found that I had access to parts of the brain that we don’t have conscious access to and also the visual cortex was working in conjunction with the part of the brain that does mathematics, which obviously makes sense,” says Padgett.

Simplest explanation is that he has a faulty circuit there, more complex explanation would be a doozy...

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20190411-the-violent-attack-that-turned-a-man-into-a-maths-genius

Perhaps, this guy should look at bitcoin charts and tell us the future (the right fractal).
4511  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 04:45:22 AM
I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price.

Likely you misspoke, here.  Morally wrong and illegal are two different things.


Likely you misread Lambie... Minimum wages makes ilegal to work being paid less than that... and it is morally wrong to impose such limitation because it ends up in more unemployment and bars from working (and being paid *anything*) people that do not produce/deserve more than that. I do agree... with some reserves though.

I doubt that I misread or misunderstood Lambie...

Minimum wage brings an attempt at a balancing of interests, and sometimes those interests are not very well balanced, but whether something is immoral or illegal tend to be different questions, and sometimes might overlap.. but they are a bit different categories of consideration.
You seem to be misreading or misunderstanding quite a number of post. I've seen you do it with my own posts, with jbreher's posts and now with Lambie's post (even after your display of illiteracy was pointed out to you by bitserve). Perhaps spend more time reading and less time writing?

I don't see the connection to the minimum wage, which is a function of productivity and income?

Historically, there was a connection between productivity and income, but it largely disappeared in the last 45 years or so.
These are the facts:
Productivity change 1973-2017: 77%
Hourly pay during the same period: 12.4%
https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

I don't care what causes this, but it can't be sustainable.
As far as the productivity gap goes. Workers are more productive because of the tools the business owners acquire for their use. As such, the numbers are inaccurate for any worker that does not buy their own tools to use in the business.

This does not explain why in 1950-1973 period two graphs coincided.
A simpler explanation would be that after 1973 economy get "financialized" and a larger slice of production gains (in %) went into the pocket of financiers, CEOs, etc.
Perhaps it is a natural law, but then 1789 is a natural law as well. Do we want a repeat? I hope, not.
Pauperizing workers cannot end in anything even remotely good down the pike.
Can it last another 50 years?
Maybe, but i hope to be out of the workforce, politics, etc one way or another well before that.
4512  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 04:28:27 AM
I don't see the connection to the minimum wage, which is a function of productivity and income?

Historically, there was a connection between productivity and income, but it largely disappeared in the last 45 years or so.
These are the facts:
Productivity change 1973-2017: 77%
Hourly pay during the same period: 12.4%
https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

I don't care what causes this, but it can't be sustainable much longer.
4513  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 12, 2019, 01:49:55 AM
A simple fact:

in 1975 the minimal wage was $5.15
in 2019 the minimal wage is $7.25

Well, $5.15 adjusted for inflation would be $24.33 today, so $15 number is not crazy.

Bob surely produces mixed messages (like paying 1% for 7 fig btc tx is OK, but $15/hr for MickeyD is too much).
The rich are different..., but I liked him more during drinking period...


I had to look this up bc I remember making 4.25 in high school decades after 1975.

Looks like minimum wage was 2.10 in '75.


I believe minimum wage is morally wrong because it makes it illegal for you to sell your labor for under a certain price. This prices out some people out of the work force against their will. I see it as somewhat useful in a fiat currency system where the workers are getting constant de facto pay cuts each day as the currency is debased through money printing. These workers cant negotiate pay raises fast enough to keep up with the de facto pay cuts.

When Bitcoin is the global reserve currency and all sane workers demand to be paid in Bitcoin, de facto pay cuts will be a thing of the past and minimum wage wont be useful at all. Workers will have all the bargaining power. Begging bosses or govs for raises each year wont be necessary as workers will have de facto pay raises as the currency gains value. When Bitcoin gains value too fast for some employers to successfully stay in business, then employers will have to come hat in hand and beg the workers to take less Bitcoin so they can stay in business.

This change in the power dynamic of employee/employer wage negotiation will usher in a prosperity the world has never witnessed.

6k soon.

Corrected (not sure where I got a source that was so wrong).
Labor is weak in US, however even super docile teachers were striking or threatening to do so in a bunch of southern states last year when they decided that they cannot take it anymore (even with the laws expressly prohibiting such strike).
IMHO, a state that is not taking proper care of education is doomed in the long run.
4514  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 11:46:34 PM
Bob surely produces mixed messages (like paying 1% for 7 fig btc tx is OK, but $15/hr for MickeyD is too much).

 I place value on having the peace of mind knowing I'm not likely to run into issues, and things will move smoothly for me.

 Same reason I hire accountants.
 Same reason I hire lawyers.
 Same reason I have people managing my portfolios.
 Same reason I hire people to do jobs that I'm not skilled at.
 Same reason I pay a slight premium at Gemini (not 1%) for my trades.

https://gemini.com/trading-fee-schedule/#trading-fee-schedule


 The point about a $15 wage demand at McDonalds, leading to workers being replaced with $35k kiosks, was an example of capitalism and the free market responding to stimulus.

OK, fine re McD.

Maybe I addressed a wrong person, and if so, I apologize, but I got a bit tired of multiple people here harping on labor.
Example: In Texas you can be fired for no cause and nobody needs to explain anything to you.
Additionally, it is legal in Texas to essentially rob temps of their wages by dismissing them earlier from their fully scheduled shift.
Thankfully, I am not a temp, but I did witness this on multiple occasions (via relative).
4515  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Bitmain introduces the Antminer S17 Pro, Antminer S17, and the Antminer T17 on: April 11, 2019, 11:14:22 PM
I wonder how loud that thing is...

a bit like this (82dB):

Quote
Garbage disposal, dishwasher, average factory, freight train (at 15 meters). Car wash at 20 ft (89 dB); propeller plane flyover at 1000 ft (88 dB); diesel truck 40 mph at 50 ft (84 dB); diesel train at 45 mph at 100 ft (83 dB). Food blender (88 dB); milling machine (85 dB); garbage disposal (80 dB).

Possible damage in 8 hour exposure.
4516  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 10:46:43 PM
A simple fact:

in 1975 the minimal wage was $5.15 EDIT: looked at a wrong reference, apparently it was $2.10/hr in 1975, which is $9.9 now
in 2019 the minimal wage is $7.25

Well, $5.15 2.1 adjusted for inflation would be $24.33 9.9 today, so $15 number is not crazy.

Bob surely produces mixed messages (like paying 1% for 7 fig btc tx is OK, but $15/hr for MickeyD is too much).
The rich are different..., but I liked him more during drinking period...
4517  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 10:18:09 PM
I hope you can catch what you hope for, but come on 4.5K--5K--or 5.5K = all the same Roll Eyes
For a long hodler of course

I've been hearing that for a while, and that still literally doesn't make any bit of sense to me. Each and every satoshi should be saved; the mathematics here is extremely simple.

Scenario 1:

You buy BTC at the rate of $4.5k per BTC with your $10k budget. You get ~2.22 BTC.  You sell your bitcoin at the rate of $50,000 each. You get $111,000.

Scenario 2:

You buy BTC at the rate of $5.5k per BTC with your $10k budget. You get ~1.81 BTC. You sell your bitcoin at the rate of $50,000 each. You get $90,500.

$111,000 minus $90,500 = $20,500 EXTRA.

Buying at $4.5k is NOT equivalent to buying at $5.5k, "especially" if you're thinking long-term.

it does not work like this at all as this is a simplified scenario.
What if you spend in one case 10K and in another 12.2K...you would have 50K in the end (in both cases).
Since it is not possible to buy ALL bitcoin, the example is underwhelming.
I am not even sure that I want to ever exchange btc to $$. Why would I?
IMHO, buy some, sell some (when you want) and not try to hit the highest (when selling) or the lowest (when buying).
4518  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 11, 2019, 02:06:18 AM



Bitmex short trying to haul ass...it won't work.
4519  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 10:02:10 PM
You're better off just having children, which are one half you...

Oh-oh...someone did not take their GenBio class seriously  Wink
remember...meiosis...crossingover...random tetrad orientation toward the poles...it is NOT half you,
but rather your mom's and dad's original gamete chromosomes (that made you) recombining (for each pair independently), then contributing half of that mix (randomly, but one from each recombined pair) to YOUR baby.

We are at Oct 2017 prices.. we could be at ATH in 60 days. It happened before, it could happen again.

Its childish, i know, but that keeps me entertained and faithfull when real life matters keep my soul sad about really inevitable things.

You are living a fantasy.

Currently, we do not have October 2017 momentum.


I beg to differ. Not sure where we are going, but momentum is substantial: if this would continue unabated for 30 days (at the same speed as in the last 9 days), we would be at 2.197X the price of April 1 by May 1, which is about $9000. It does not mean that we would get there, but so far so good...Buffett buys massively at above 500K in a few years, lol.
4520  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: April 10, 2019, 04:31:01 AM
I already have a driver's license.
What's a bitlicense  Roll Eyes ?

...the galactic black hole was found in repeated violation of the "unlicensed bits" processing ban.
Pictures of multiple said violations are expected tomorrow, April 10.
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